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Old 01-13-2020, 10:26 PM
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Re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

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Hi Josh,

I was just like you 8 months ago. I started my search of a parrot here asking questions, and I took in a male Eclectus in November last year. I grew up in Taiwan, and I work for a university in the US. I may be more familiar with your living environment/expected college life in general to give you insights.

My experience is obvious in the Eclectus, but the general parrot care level is similar. I won't talk you out of getting a parrot, but I want to show you the sacrifices needed, then you can make an informed decision.

I start my day around 7am. 3 of out 5 days, I sneak out of my place before waking up my bird because my husband has the flexibility to stay home. Perks of being a professor in a social science field. If you do actual science, you stay in the lab for 8+ hours a day.
Husband gets up around 9am to train and feed the bird. He does research at home and spend time with the bird. Bird is out in the morning. In the afternoon, he trained the bird to be in cage for a few hours, so he can do whatever he needs.
I come home at 6 pm. I do some mini training. We feed the bird and have dinner at the same time. Every other day we take the bird into shower with one of us. The other person cleans the cage, playstand, and any poop areas. I usually sing with my bird for a hour, and we put him to bed at 9 pm.
On the days that we both need to leave the house, bird is woken up at 730 am. We give him food, and just leave him in cage until we come back. Then we repeat the night routine.

Ever since we got the bird, we don't go out to eat as much. We probably do that once or twice a month. When we go out of town, we beg friends to watch him 3 times a day. We trained our friends to read the bird's body language, and we had to tell our friends "sorry, can't guarantee that bird won't bite!" Let me just say that I am SO LUCKY to have my friends. This was not an easy task.

Every couple weeks, I have to make my bird fresh chops. I buy fresh veggies/fruits, and I blend them into small pieces. I freeze them in portions. When I make chop, my whole night is gone. That's all I do. While the Grey can do well on pellets compared to the Eclectus, it is still suggested to give fresh chop to the Greys at least one meal a day. Then...you still spend time making chop. lol

Now, I consider my bird to be easy compared to many other people's. Winston (my bird) is very good at being alone. He is somewhat quiet. He has not had problems when I sneak in some TOP pellets in his diet, but we sacrificed date time (yes, we are married and still date.), gym time, some vacation time to care for Winston. We are ok as a married couple.

In your situation, it means a couple things:
1. Time
No 夜衝 (that's how we call it in TW) or late night KTV with friends, class has to be scheduled according to the bird's need, and what if you need to do an internship/part-time job?

2. Relationship
You might not be able to have just any friends over. You might not be able to go crush a friend's place to play video games all night long. You may date any girls (but no overnight dates because birdie goes hungry when you are gone). However, you MUST marry someone who's at least 150% on board with the bird life. It is much easier to be in a relationship and start a bird life together than inviting a new person into a bird life in my opinion.

I just saw someone on facebook needing to rehome his bird because his wife said "ME or BIRD", and everyone on the post is saying "divorce your bad wife! If you rehome that bird, you are a bad owner. I would never marry that selfish women!" I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but imagine the pressure on that guy. I honestly think it is unfair to just ask anyone to live a bird life.

Similar story can happen between you and your parents, your future other half, and your future in-laws. (My in-laws won't event let me pet a dog. They say it's bad for girls wanting babies in the future...) Are you willing to put up with things like these?

3. Your bird ownership
It's good that your parents are going to co-own the bird. Are you okay if the bird ended up choosing your parent(s) over you? Let me just say...I was the one wanted a bird, and Winston picked my husband. I ended up to be the person who gets bites all the time. I'm talking about more than 20 bites, leaving marks, though my nails, and on my face, since I got Winston in November.
A grey is much more likely to pick a favorite person than an Eclectus. My Eclectus tolerates me just enough, and I'm working on getting us there. But, I am still disappointed at times. A bird is not going to love you unconditionally. Can you accept the bird even you ended up being the "bad person".

So, all above are the negatives I can think of. It is possible that you might be the special person who can keep a bird in college. However, I hope you make an informed decision. If you still want a bird, I urge you to wait until your first year in college. You will have a much better idea on how you can cope with a bird and university life at the same time.

I hope it helps! No matter what you decide, the forum will still be here when you need advice on your future bird.
Well first off I want to say thanks for the advice... very very useful. Fortunately I don’t have friends, or been in any relationships with anyone, I am an animal person, not a human person. And I have chosen university locations where it is easy to take my bird with me without stress. Thank you for all your time and advice.

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Re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

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I can not find enough information, for example I haven’t found anything on teflons on the internet

https://www.ewg.org/research/canaries-kitchen here it is again (I posted this in my first long message)...I am a little concerned that you can't find anything on birds and Teflon because it is ALL OVER the internet...

https://www.ewg.org/research/canarie...on-kills-birds

http://www.animalplanet.com/pets/oth...on-bird-guide/

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Old 01-13-2020, 10:32 PM
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Re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

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You have come here seeking opinions and advice - these are mine and you are free do with them as you wish. Congratulations by the way on your ambition to become a vet, a noble and worthy career indeed!

The species you refer to are among the more challenging to keep. If their intellectual, dietary and emotional needs are not met it can result in a miserable bird who ends up plucking all his feathers out or even mutilating his own flesh. And yes, the gases from Teflon which are not detectable to us can and do travel throughout whole houses and kill birds many rooms away, as has happened to even very experienced owners on this forum.

I have no wish to discourage you from owning a bird and in looking for insight from people who have had birds all their lives you are showing a willingness to learn what it takes first before jumping in feet first - if only everyone did that thereíd be a lot fewer birds who end up miserable, neglected, rehomed or dead. We here have all made mistakes along the way and only wish to prevent others from repeating them.
I have decided to get a bird whether other people say no, only question is when. I am head to learn more about the bird, because I can not find enough information, for example I havenít found anything on teflons on the internet, and luckily my parents have specifically removed all Teflon products for other reasons.

BUTTT.... I Would like some personal experiences and guides from other people as information is limited. Thanks

I specifically posted a ton of links on teflon in that first huge post...
Sorry, this reply was before i read it, I have read it now and taken notes, but there is still a lot of stuff to learn.
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I have decided to get a bird whether other people say no, only question is when. I am head to learn more about the bird, because I can not find enough information, for example I havenít found anything on teflons on the internet, and luckily my parents have specifically removed all Teflon products for other reasons.

BUTTT.... I Would like some personal experiences and guides from other people as information is limited. Thanks

I specifically posted a ton of links on teflon in that first huge post...
Sorry, this reply was before i read it, I have read it now and taken notes, but there is still a lot of stuff to learn.
The link in the original that I posted wasn't working, so do check out those that I posted above. Glad you are taking it seriously and doing your research.
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Re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

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I specifically posted a ton of links on teflon in that first huge post...
Sorry, this reply was before i read it, I have read it now and taken notes, but there is still a lot of stuff to learn.
The link in the original that I posted wasn't working, so do check out those that I posted above. Glad you are taking it seriously and doing your research.
Well id be a pretty **** person if I treat a bird like a toy... and again, Iím not getting a bird RIGHT NOW , so I have enough time to do research and changes in my house. Thanks for your advice and information
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Sorry, this reply was before i read it, I have read it now and taken notes, but there is still a lot of stuff to learn.
The link in the original that I posted wasn't working, so do check out those that I posted above. Glad you are taking it seriously and doing your research.
Well id be a pretty **** person if I treat a bird like a toy... and again, Iím not getting a bird RIGHT NOW , so I have enough time to do research and changes in my house. Thanks for your advice and information
You might be surprised by how many people do (not even maliciously, but just due to lack of understanding). My compliment to you was genuine--these animals deserve better than what they often get and it seems that you will plan to make that possible (which is commendable). Just make sure you have everything lined up before you get one.
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The link in the original that I posted wasn't working, so do check out those that I posted above. Glad you are taking it seriously and doing your research.
Well id be a pretty **** person if I treat a bird like a toy... and again, Iím not getting a bird RIGHT NOW , so I have enough time to do research and changes in my house. Thanks for your advice and information
You might be surprised by how many people do (not even maliciously, but just due to lack of understanding). My compliment to you was genuine--these animals deserve better than what they often get and it seems that you will plan to make that possible (which is commendable). Just make sure you have everything lined up before you get one.

Yes i hope i will be enough, but again, i can not be perfect, so hopefully this forum will give me some advice when i need it. Thanks
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Re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

Have you considered a smaller bird? There are many smaller species who might be easier to start out with, but who are every bit as rewarding of a companion. It depends on what you want in a bird. Do you want one who will want to be petted? One you can have a conversation with? One who can do cool tricks? The little birds are often overlooked by people, and I have no idea why.



It is a lot easier to hang on to a cockatiel or a parrotlet if life takes an unexpected turn than it is to hang on to an eclectus or grey. (Easier to hide them in a "no pets" apartment, for example... Not that I ever did anything like that when younger. )
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Hello joshwahwoo,

Welcome to the PFs, glad you joined us. I would suggest you start with these threads. Read and get acquainted with both species and the cost of owning a parrot.

The cost of owning parrots

Cag 101

So..you think you want an Eclectus.
Hello joshwahwoo, have you had a chance to read these threads I posted the other day? You mentioned there is no guide, but there is a great deal of species specific info out there. If you haven't already, I suggest you read through the links above. It will give you a better understanding of their personalities and requirements etc ...

You have rec'd a great wealth of information to get you prepared. I also agree with volunteering at a bird sanctuary, rescue or even a bird store. In addition, to perhaps getting a smaller bird to start your journey.

Good Luck and please keep us posted. Continue with your research and know, we are all here to help you along.
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Hello joshwahwoo,

Welcome to the PFs, glad you joined us. I would suggest you start with these threads. Read and get acquainted with both species and the cost of owning a parrot.

The cost of owning parrots

Cag 101

So..you think you want an Eclectus.
Hello joshwahwoo, have you had a chance to read these threads I posted the other day? You mentioned there is no guide, but there is a great deal of species specific info out there. If you haven't already, I suggest you read through the links above. It will give you a better understanding of their personalities and requirements etc ...

You have rec'd a great wealth of information to get you prepared. I also agree with volunteering at a bird sanctuary, rescue or even a bird store. In addition, to perhaps getting a smaller bird to start your journey.

Good Luck and please keep us posted. Continue with your research and know, we are all here to help you along.
After all, our #1 concern is Bird Safety!
Sorry I am still reading about the Teflon and other chemicals, Iíve been taking notes on everything and will read yours in a day or 2. I will not be getting a bird any time soon, maybe a few months, but I will have to do research first. Thanks
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