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Old 01-12-2020, 09:32 PM
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Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

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First post here, and ive been wanting to get a bird for a few years. Right now i live in a pretty big apartment so noise shouldnt be an issue - unless its a macaw...

I have done research on their diet but i feel like their personality is pretty similar and can vary.

this is going to be my first bird but i have had tegus, snakes, chameleons ,etc etc.



I am 17 so i live with my family but i am mature enough to care for one.

Which one should be better? I prefer smarter one which seems like it is the grey, but i apparently they bond with one person and hate the rest? Is this true, does this mean my parents can't have a good bond between them as well?



I also prefer a more intimate bird that likes attention.

I honestly don't know too much about their personalities. Only researched about their care requirements.



OVERALL, which one would you want to get more? Which one would be more suitable for me?

any other tips, questions, advice, i will appreciate a lot. thank you!!
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Re: Eclectus or African Grey?

Hello, welcome to the forums.
Most of us veiw those two species very different. What did you find that made you think they're similar? ( Asked in a nice way, as I know stuff reads differently. )

Parrots are wonderful, but difficult and time consuming pets. I recently took in a rehome parrot from a wonderful young man in college. The responsibility of having a parrot, a job, School, and girlfriend, was to much. He loved and cared so much for his parrot, but he had to give him up. I guess I'm saying it's kind of a hard place in life to take on a flying child.
It's great that you are thinking about parrots, and joining us, and open to learning and researching..and you will enjoy all the discussions we have on the forum. I think if you go to each parrot page you can read the blue stickies threads at the top for more information on those parrots.
I have an article I think is good, I'll go look for it and link it.

Ok this covers a lot of stuff, as you go down the article it talks about biting and screaming, and gives you a good starting point.
https://lafeber.com/pet-birds/bird-behavior/
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Re: Eclectus or African Grey?

Hello joshwahwoo,

Welcome to the PFs, glad you joined us. I would suggest you start with these threads. Read and get acquainted with both species and the cost of owning a parrot.

The cost of owning parrots

Cag 101

So..you think you want an Eclectus.
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Re: Eclectus or African Grey?

I think the Eclectus has too specialised a diet.
African grey's have there issues but diet is not such a big deal.

Even within a species there is so much variation of personality the best bet is to let the parrot choose you.
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Questions about getting a grey parrot

I am 17 and am living in a decent sized apartment with my parents.
I am planning on getting a bird soon but cant decide between an Eclectus or a African Grey. I have school in the mornings on monday, and wednesday to friday, from 7am to 4pm. I also go on vacations around once a year and 5-6 days at a time. Based on the information i have provided so far do you think it is suitable for me to get a bird, and if so, grey or eclectus?
Since i have schools on monday, and wednesday to friday, i will have to wake up earlier, and later on days without school, and i have read that Greys are creatures of habit, does that mean me waking up earlier or later will cause him/her to stress out and start plucking?

And my life doesnt really have a "schedule", i eat whenever i like, study or play games whenever i like, will this give anxiety to the bird?


If i get a grey parrot, will he have a close bond with me? can he also have a healthy relationship with my parents, and will he attack visitors?



There really isnt a detailed care guide on these animals. - i dont know specifically what to feed them etc etc, if anyone has a detailed care guide please share with me.



overall what do you guys prefer? the eclectus or grey parrot?
Any other experiences, tips, advice, questions feel free to share
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re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

Hey there. Please don't take this harshly, but I think you are misinformed about the volumes these birds can produce, and perhaps even their level of care required. Have you spent much time around Greys, or parrots in general? at 17 and with the description of your life given, I do not think you are at a point where bringing home an eclectus or grey would be a good idea. Would you feel yourself a good candidate to adopt a human child right now? Most people(including the scientific community) consider parrots in general, and greys in particular, to be the emotional and intellectual equivelant of a human child.



And as an owner of 3 male cockatiels(one of whom is the same age as you are now and is still going strong) and a blue and gold macaw, I can honestly say volume wise a mac is not the hardest to live with. People have been evicted from apartments over the noise a conure can make...


What will your life be like in a year? 5? 10? 30? 50? 70? Because a grey or an eclectus will still have the same requirements then. Are you able to commit to this bird for that length of time? Rehoming parrots is as hard on them as abandoning a 5 year old child would be. If you cannot commit, actually honestly and fully, to an animal like a human child with a bullhorn glued to his hand and a can opener on his face for the next 50-80 years(yup, Greys can live this long), you should NOT get one. Period.



How about spending some time helping out at a parrot rescue and seeing if you are up to the task? Or maybe start with a species more manageable(but every bit as awesome)? Greys and eclectus are known as fairly "difficult" birds. Ekkies have VERY specific dietary requirements, and greys can be quite serious. I don't mean to spoil your dreams, but I don't want the bird to pay the price if you get in over your head.
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re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

It would seem you posed a very similar question yesterday on a different thread.

My question to you is, are you prepared to take on a creature that is much less like a pet and much more like a human toddler? With all the demands on your time, money, emotions and personal freedoms that comes with a human toddler? Which never grows up and may very well soon clash with your life post-school, when you may wish to leave your home town, live or work overseas, get married to someone who hates birds etc etc etc? Birds have emotional requirements far beyond those of cats or dogs and do not do well if the human they’ve come to love and trust is gone for great swathes of the day, or disappears altogether.

You may think you have your next few years all mapped out but life at your age can throw you unexpected curveballs like it did for me when I ended up moving and living halfway around the world not once but twice, and I would have hated the thought of leaving any companion bird behind. I am not trying to scare you off but these are the more important issues you need to very closely examine, not which species you should get.
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re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

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Hey there. Please don't take this harshly, but I think you are misinformed about the volumes these birds can produce, and perhaps even their level of care required. Have you spent much time around Greys, or parrots in general? at 17 and with the description of your life given, I do not think you are at a point where bringing home an eclectus or grey would be a good idea. Would you feel yourself a good candidate to adopt a human child right now? Most people(including the scientific community) consider parrots in general, and greys in particular, to be the emotional and intellectual equivelant of a human child.



And as an owner of 3 male cockatiels(one of whom is the same age as you are now and is still going strong) and a blue and gold macaw, I can honestly say volume wise a mac is not the hardest to live with. People have been evicted from apartments over the noise a conure can make...


What will your life be like in a year? 5? 10? 30? 50? 70? Because a grey or an eclectus will still have the same requirements then. Are you able to commit to this bird for that length of time? Rehoming parrots is as hard on them as abandoning a 5 year old child would be. If you cannot commit, actually honestly and fully, to an animal like a human child with a bullhorn glued to his hand and a can opener on his face for the next 50-80 years(yup, Greys can live this long), you should NOT get one. Period.



How about spending some time helping out at a parrot rescue and seeing if you are up to the task? Or maybe start with a species more manageable(but every bit as awesome)? Greys and eclectus are known as fairly "difficult" birds. Ekkies have VERY specific dietary requirements, and greys can be quite serious. I don't mean to spoil your dreams, but I don't want the bird to pay the price if you get in over your head.
Thank you for bringing insight on how much they need me. I understand the requirements for this, I am willing to put in a few hours a day just interacting with him, I also understand that “ they need attention” , but I have absolutely no idea how much attention is enough. Do I need to be home 247? Do I need to interact with him every few minutes or he will get depressed or die? Does a holiday for me mean death for the bird? I might sound like I am mocking you, but I actually don’t know, the internet only provides so much internet. And for a parrot rescue, there aren’t any nearby, and the closest would be a plane ride away.

I also plan to be a veterinary doctor in the future, so of course I have to motivation to care for these animals. This is my first time with birds, but I have cared for a lot of reptiles including ball pythons, chameleons, tegus etc.

I am asking so I can see how much time on average would the parrot need and how your typical day goes
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re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

Hello. You’ve got some great advice here. I have had greys for many years and one thing is certain about them. They may/may not like anyone they choose. Be prepared to be bitten at some point and not be angry with the bird. They are like toddlers and they have tantrums. There’s nothing quite as harsh as a grey bite as they hang on and hang on and even grind down. If you are asking, which you did, I would suggest working with birds for a good period of time, even foster, so you understand what it means to have such a creature. Just my thoughts. All the best.


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re: Questions about getting an Eclectus or African Grey Parrot

I just want to have a look and see how your day goes, to understand how much time u really need to put in these. Again I have said that I have school, and if you think that already is an issue , then of course it would be better to tell me now and not after I have gotten one already.
Unfortunately there aren’t any parrot rescues nearby, as I live in Hong Kong.

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