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Old 07-12-2019, 08:22 PM
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Parrot safety rule

I think that a new rule on posting pictures of parrots in unsafe environments, such as being outside unharnessed should be banned.

Pictures of parrots and dogs together are banned. Posting pictures of parrots in situations which sadly often ends in the bird either getting lost or killed should therefore be banned, IMO.
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:36 PM
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Re: Parrot safety rule

While well intentioned, I think a blanket “unsafe situation” rule may not be possible, as what is safe for one may not be safe for others.

You cite being outside unharnessed. what you are overlooking are situations like my boy Parker who is literally incapable of flight for 9 months out of the year. He’s perfectly safe as long as I’m holding him on my hand so I’m controlling him (as opposed to sitting on my shoulder or fore arm). And this is just to keep him from crashing unsafely to the ground in a panic flight or keep dogs away from him - we dog sit for a side business.

Or free flighted parrots who, by virtue of proper training on both the human and birds part, Are actually pretty safe.

We have had at times applied a certain standard. For example, I can think of one situation where a video of people smoking at a table holding their birds was taken down. But rather than have a clear rule, those are more ad hoc situations discussed among moderators prior to actually removing.

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Old 07-12-2019, 08:45 PM
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Hi SammyAndy,

I really appreciate the expression of your concern for fid safety. My Eclectus only go outside in their aviator harness and I have an extension lead for 'controlled' flight. Much like yours.

In agreement with chris-md, a 'blanket exclusion' would not suffice in this situation IMHO. Some birds are like Parker and incapable of free flight, some are clipped enough to limit distance and elevated flight, and some fids have GPS trackers attached etc. Far too many variables for a 'blanket exclusion' I would think.

Also, I would study the number of birds who have been lost and the circumstances surrounding the event. You may find that most fids accidentally escaped by human error, open house doors, open cage doors outside whilst moving the fid etc.

Once again, thank you for expressing your concern for our fids.

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Old 07-12-2019, 09:40 PM
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Quote: Originally Posted by SammyAndy View Post
Pictures of parrots and dogs together are banned. Posting pictures of parrots in situations which sadly often ends in the bird either getting lost or killed should therefore be banned, IMO.
I feel the passion in your words and agree 100% that our feathered friends need to be protected from all threat and harm.

As a responsible pet owner I will do that for any animal.

My service dog, Taffee performs many duties for me yet is comfortable around small animals and birds. She was trained in a pet shop.

That doesn't mean I am going to put a helpless Mr. Sunshine in a potentially dangerous situation with her; anymore than I would put her in a potentially dangerous situation with a pitbull. You have to know the animals.


Each situation is completely different. Some people don't have common sense and should not be allowed to own pets. But not all pet owners are reckless.

I did take down pictures of Taffee with the baby birds.
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Quote: Originally Posted by chris-md View Post
While well intentioned, I think a blanket “unsafe situation” rule may not be possible, as what is safe for one may not be safe for others.

You cite being outside unharnessed. what you are overlooking are situations like my boy Parker who is literally incapable of flight for 9 months out of the year. He’s perfectly safe as long as I’m holding him on my hand so I’m controlling him (as opposed to sitting on my shoulder or fore arm). And this is just to map him from crashing unsafely to the ground in a panic or keep dogs away from him - we dog sit for a side business.

Or free flighted parrots who, by virtue of proper training on both the human and birds part, Are actually pretty safe.

We have had at times applied a certain standard. For example, I can think of one situation where a video of people smoking at a table holding their birds was taken down. But rather than have a clear rule, those are more ad hoc situations discussed among moderators prior to actually removing.
^^^^ This ^^^^ Thanks Chris!!

We have clearly defined guidelines for many situations but it is not possible to legislate every contingency. Beyond good judgement adjusted for experience, we rely on members reporting posts and moderators sifting through the forums.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:51 PM
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Quote: Originally Posted by SammyAndy View Post
I think that a new rule on posting pictures of parrots in unsafe environments, such as being outside unharnessed should be banned.

Pictures of parrots and dogs together are banned. Posting pictures of parrots in situations which sadly often ends in the bird either getting lost or killed should therefore be banned, IMO.
Thanks for the suggestion, your heart is in the right place!
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:07 AM
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Re: Parrot safety rule

What I'm saying is that if there is a rule banning dogs and parrots being pictured together and posted here, regardless of circumstance, why would we/you allow pictures of parrots unleashed outside?

Yes, the bird might be incapable of flight (to your knowledge or until recently) but the person seeing the picture doesn't know that.

If I cannot post pictures of my service dog and Sammy together, both of whom have been extensively trained, why should someone be allowed to post pictures of parrots being outside without the correct safety precautions?
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Old 07-13-2019, 02:10 AM
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Quote: Originally Posted by Ellie777Australia View Post
Hi SammyAndy,

I really appreciate the expression of your concern for fid safety. My Eclectus only go outside in their aviator harness and I have an extension lead for 'controlled' flight. Much like yours.

In agreement with chris-md, a 'blanket exclusion' would not suffice in this situation IMHO. Some birds are like Parker and incapable of free flight, some are clipped enough to limit distance and elevated flight, and some fids have GPS trackers attached etc. Far too many variables for a 'blanket exclusion' I would think.

Also, I would study the number of birds who have been lost and the circumstances surrounding the event. You may find that most fids accidentally escaped by human error, open house doors, open cage doors outside whilst moving the fid etc.

Once again, thank you for expressing your concern for our fids.

But there is a blanket statement on pictures of birds with predatory animals. Even if they are trained to, like, not kill each other.

I condone the aforementioned rule, but it simply doesn't make sense to me to be inconsistent.
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Thats us - consistiently inconsistient. Won't alllow pics of my parrot with a pack of cigarettes in it, but no problems with Freddy Kreuger in the background.
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Re: Parrot safety rule

Quote: Originally Posted by SammyAndy View Post
What I'm saying is that if there is a rule banning dogs and parrots being pictured together and posted here, regardless of circumstance, why would we/you allow pictures of parrots unleashed outside?

Yes, the bird might be incapable of flight (to your knowledge or until recently) but the person seeing the picture doesn't know that.

If I cannot post pictures of my service dog and Sammy together, both of whom have been extensively trained, why should someone be allowed to post pictures of parrots being outside without the correct safety precautions?
Please note the sub forum "Free Flight" has archives chronicling parronts making judgments on behalf of their fids. We have extensively debated the wisdom, and reasoned discussion is superior to censorship.
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Frankly I abhor the practice, liven in a raptor-rich environment, and would never place my flock in jeopardy. The role of ParrotForums is to provide an umbrella of guidance with narrowly defined limits. We collectively excel at identifying outlier issues, debate, and repair as needed.
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