Fear of hands

coyotte

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Hello everyone !

My girlfriend and I have two cockatiels, one male (Rakan :grey:) and one Female (Xayah :yellow1:).

Little background on history: We adopted them 1 and a half year ago in a center for birds rehabilitation, so we have no exact clue how old they are, the vet told us that they were young tiels and were raised by hands. Also, we have absolutely no idea what kind of trauma they had before they were with us.

Xayah is usually always around us, as she scream if we let her in a room alone, and has a preference for me as she is always on me if I am in the room. She also go by herself on my girlfriend's shoulder with no problem and no aggressivity. Xayah often asks for scratches and we can usually pet her, but only if the hand is coming from the top and not in front of her. If the hand is like in front of her while petting, she gets mad but no real biting and we directly stop the scratches.

Xayah is always very grouchy as she grumbles very frequently specially towards hand movement and even more towards my girlfriend. Despite these grumbles, she usually steps up. However, from time to time, she becomes very aggressive towards my girlfriend's hands, to the point where she is hussling and hissing, but would still stay on my girlfriend's shoulder.

We read a lot of posts about fear of hands (also in this forum), and tried to apply the advices, such as putting treats in the hand and let the tiel come to gain trust back, but with no real results so far. Sometimes it gets better for a couple of days, and then Xayah is suddently back to her aggressive state towards my girlfriend's hands. To our knowledge, we don't make any sudden movement of hands that could be percieved as aggressive, and never try to force her to do anything.

For the environnement they have, they have a very big cage (60cmx120xcmx2m D23'' x W46'' x H78''), we let them out in the appartment at least 3 to 4 hours in a week day and the whole day if we are home. They have plenty of toys, playgrounds and space to fly and they seem pretty happy with everyting. They also love to fly around the appartment.

How can we decrease these episodes of aggressivity towards hands ?

As I have usually little to no problem of aggressivity with Xayah and I can pet her more easily than my girlfriend, should I do something also specific to encourage Xayah that hands are a good thing ?

Lastly, when I have to take Xayah off my shoulder when we have to cook by instance, I litteraly put my hand below Xayah, and make her step up, she grumbles but still step up. Is it a bad thing ? Could it have an effect on the aggressivity towards hands ?

Happy to add any informations !

Thank you for reading !


And as I am sure you love pictures, here is Xayah and Rakan portraits :
 

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Hello coyotte,

Welcome to the PFs, glad you joined us.

Has your GF tried anything like this?
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaDDSeZKnI"]Parrot Training Workshop Live Demo - Step Up Training with a Macaw - YouTube[/ame]

This is a step up video, but it might work?
Maybe have her slowly start offering Xayah her favorite treats. If she motivated by food, this could be a good start.

Best of luck!
 
Welcome to you, your girlfriend, and flock. Xayah and Rakan are beautiful!!

Lack of socialization or bad experiences generally causes of hand anxiety. You are quite correct about potential trauma, birds often have a lot of hidden "baggage" that affects their progress.

Please read this thread discussing building trust and bonding. May be very helpful in addition to Tami2's video above: http://www.parrotforums.com/general-parrot-information/49144-tips-bonding-building-trust.html
Time, love, and patience should result in a pair of loving cockatiels!
 
Cute birds!

I've had my birds develop fear of hand off and on.
I go back to basics, paying close stte to body language , feeding everything yummy by hand.
 
I really appreciate your style of researching and reaching out. I can only speak for my own bird, buttt...
Really, I don't involve hands much... he doesn't like them, despite attempts at training... it just seems to me to be in his hard wiring. He seems to think the real ME is my head, perched on a weird moveable tree with questionable appendages.
Good luck to you in your admirable attempts at managing behavior creatively and constructively.
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Thank you for all your quick answers and for the welcome !

We definitely tried a lot of step up training, but the fear of hands is very situational. Sometimes it goes fine for 1-2 weeks, and then she suddently lose all of her training, and is being aggressive again.

We will try to apply the tips to gain more trust towards hands. It is just as she is already 110g, and Xayah is like an excavator for food so we really don't want to give her too much treats :D

I guess being patient and really give treats everytime she steps up or she is not aggressive is the best way...


I will update if there is some real change !
 
Yes, reward the positive behavior, ignore the negative behavior. You want to reinforce anything positive that you want to encourage.

Good Luck! :)
 
A belated welcome to you and your tiels! My little guy is almost four now and loves me to death..BUT..my poor brother lol..our routine at night is when my brother gets home and the fids come out,BB hops on my hand and starts his singing and chatting,then I take him to see his "Uncle David" BB will fly off my hand to Davids shoulder and start whistling and chirping,but the minute David tries to get BB on his hand,BB runs to his lower back (out of reach of course) and start growling his head off and trying to bite him. He has no problem sitting on his shoulder,but don't touch me! We're working on that :33:


Jim
 

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