Help any way to tell a breeder is genuine

[paulhanlon]

Is there a way to tell if a breeder is the real deal as we are getting a ringneck from a breeder tomorrow and i just want to make sure she is genuine and the birds are tame before we buy help and advice would be great.

 

[Echo]

How are you getting the ringneck? If you pick it up, then you get to meet the breeder and see the bird before buying it. If you have the bird shipped, then I would pay with Paypal so that your payment is secure in case of a problem. Paypal is a really secure way to protect your purchases.

 

[paulhanlon]

The breeder is coming to the house with both the males witch is what we want a male

 

[Echo]

So you will get to meet before buying the bird right? Are you worried to give away your address? If so then I would tell the breeder that you want to pick up the bird at his location.

 

[paulhanlon]

No im not worried about giving my address out she has my address should i ask to see her licence and ask to handle the bird to see if it steps up fine and its freindly before we buy or anything else?

 

[ann]

Read their reviews and google their name with the words scam. Ex. If they were called birds birds (creative right ) search birds birds scam or something like that and read what comes up. ask what she feeds her birds, and if they are DNA'd and how old they are. Just be careful,i was careful with what breeder I chose but I never got to meet them and I was scammed. I think If you get to meet them you will be fine

 

[paulhanlon]

Thanks ann

 

[Echo]

Oh I see. Well, in a lot of States, you don't need a license to breed parrots. However, yes I would definitively handle the bird to see how friendly it is before buying it. I would also want to see a health guarantee that you should both sign. Of course, you are bringing it in your home right away, so the quarantine is not effective there.......

 

[paulhanlon]

Uk breeders need a licence im sure they do ill ask to see that and if the bird is willing to step up and is freindly then ill buy but if the bird backs off and starts flapping then ill be telling her to be on her way empty handed

 

[Echo]

Oh I didn't realize you were in the UK. Sorry about that.
You know, meeting a bird out of its familiar surrounding is not the best way to see how friendly/tame he is. The poor little guy goes for a car ride (a lot of babies have never been in a car before), then he goes to a stranger's place with other birds (bird in your case, I think you only have one right?), which is still intimidating and then here comes a strange human wanting to hold him when all these new things are coming at him!

Usually, it is better to see a bird's nature when in its own environment. They can still be a bit shy because of the stranger at first, but will still feel more secure.

Give the little guy a fair chance. Take your time and give him time to familiarize himself a bit. Hopefully the breeder will stay for a while. Then maybe go in another room alone with him and see how he react away from the breeder and your bird. If he flies to the ground and the breeder is not around, he should agree to step up on your finger. For me, it would mean that he understand the command and is accepting your offer to pick him up, which is a good thing.

 

[paulhanlon]

Yeah im uk and i don't have agressive one no more i couldn't handle her with being a new owner then but now that i have spent loads of time on here and other sites researching im willing to give any bird a chance

 

[dishgal1]

I thought you were getting a blue fronted Amazon. Don't overload yourself with too many birds, you have admitted that you have learned a lot, but is it enough to be able to give both birds the attention they require? Also you said you didn't have enough money to buy a training stand, 2 birds = double the cost. You weren;t able to handle the last bird and you could have aggression problems with 2 new birds as well. Just be sure you are prepared for all of these same scenarios.

 

[lene1949]

Since the ringneck is coming to your house, you can't really expect it to be calm and collected... and you certainly can't expect it to just step up for you...

If he has been well socia-lised he might be calm with the breeder...

It can take a long time for a bird to settle into a new home, much, much more than a week you gave the last one...

But... this is going to be your mother's bird, right?

 

[lene1949]

Uk breeders need a licence im sure they do ill ask to see that and if the bird is willing to step up and is freindly then ill buy but if the bird backs off and starts flapping then ill be telling her to be on her way empty handed

As far as I know, they only need a license if they are a business... A small hobby breeder won't need one...

Here in Australia we need a wild-life license to house some birds, like the eclectus....

Why don't you ask them, before they make the trip?

 

[god61021]

I dont know nearly as much about birds as I do scammers and cheats. If you get the vibe something isnt right with this person then it probably isnt whether you can pinpoint what gives you that feeling or not. trust your instincts.
my first thought about someone who is gung-ho to meet you at your house is because they dont want you to see theirs for some reason. which is a redflag right off the bat.
now having said that - I went to buy an english budgie off a lady, drove two hours one way and paid 60 bucks for a bird that was very obviously NOT an english budgie but a plain old "american" budgie. but it was love at first sight and I pretended to believe the ladys story, told myself ill never call her lying butt again then took my new best friend home.
the point of the story is even though you might be being lied to, the bird might not have been treated the best or you might get over charged for a mixed breed bird or god knows what, he might just bring to you the most awesome and amazing bird youve ever met and years down the road youll be wondering how you ever thought of saying no.
dont pass on a bestfriend because the guy selling him to you is scumbag.
BUT,there are ALOT of scumbags out there who have alot worse intentions then selling you a sick or stolen bird. there are alot of bad reasons why someone may just use a bird to gain access to your home. be smart and protect yourself.

 

[paulhanlon]

I thought you were getting a blue fronted Amazon. Don't overload yourself with too many birds, you have admitted that you have learned a lot, but is it enough to be able to give both birds the attention they require? Also you said you didn't have enough money to buy a training stand, 2 birds = double the cost. You weren;t able to handle the last bird and you could have aggression problems with 2 new birds as well. Just be sure you are prepared for all of these same scenarios.

I am getting the blue fronted amazon the baby ringneck is going to be my mams and also a friend for her senegal once we have them bonded and i know this will take time but time is all we have as we all work from home the blue fronted amazon is going to be mine as i am paying for her

 

[Oedipussrex]

Uk breeders need a licence im sure they do ill ask to see that and if the bird is willing to step up and is freindly then ill buy but if the bird backs off and starts flapping then ill be telling her to be on her way empty handed

As far as I know, they only need a license if they are a business... A small hobby breeder won't need one...

Here in Australia we need a wild-life license to house some birds, like the eclectus....

Why don't you ask them, before they make the trip?

lol, just like the US our states just cant agree on some things XD
I emailed the SA government to see if i would need a licence as i have both a woma and an eclectus, and they said that in SA a licence is only needed if you own more than one species on the 'basic list' list they are both on, but that SA does accept a difference between the subspecies of eclectus, and only the Australian one is referred to under SA protective legislation as a native... I understand the eastern states have a more generalised whole-species legislation...

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If its possible, i personally would be more comfortable meeting the bird and breeder at their place, then the bird is more likely to be relaxed, and you can see what kind of conditions they keep the birds in as well.

 

[paulhanlon]

Uk breeders need a licence im sure they do ill ask to see that and if the bird is willing to step up and is freindly then ill buy but if the bird backs off and starts flapping then ill be telling her to be on her way empty handed

As far as I know, they only need a license if they are a business... A small hobby breeder won't need one...

Here in Australia we need a wild-life license to house some birds, like the eclectus....

Why don't you ask them, before they make the trip?

lol, just like the US our states just cant agree on some things XD
I emailed the SA government to see if i would need a licence as i have both a woma and an eclectus, and they said that in SA a licence is only needed if you own more than one species on the 'basic list' list they are both on, but that SA does accept a difference between the subspecies of eclectus, and only the Australian one is referred to under SA protective legislation as a native... I understand the eastern states have a more generalised whole-species legislation...

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If its possible, i personally would be more comfortable meeting the bird and breeder at their place, then the bird is more likely to be relaxed, and you can see what kind of conditions they keep the birds in as well.

It's fine ill just see how they act when there here but if they refuse to step up and go to bite ill be sending her on her way empty handed i learned from the first mistake i made i won't be doing that again trust me

 

[paulhanlon]

Well i think its safe to say that she never showed up never mind its her loss of £190 all i can say is time for a massive pizza and a stone cold bottle of cola not to fussed about this bird there will be plenty more to come and i get my bf amazon soon so bring on the good times