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[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJaAUvAZC6I"]Cage World - Training African Grey Parrot Behavior Problem - YouTube[/ame]

This goes against all that I think i know... Birds are very prone to heart attacks so stress should be avoided I always think. Im shocked at this, poor bird.
 
This is absolutely awful... NOT the way to train a parrot at all. The roughness, the wing clipping, the grabbing, the flapping, the screaming... this poor bird. Haven’t they ever heard of positive reinforcement?
 
I literally couldn't get thru the video. :( that poor, poor bird omg

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This is the kind of garbage out on the internet that makes me sick. These "professionals" ought to have their business licence revoked and this be court ordered to pay restitution to anyone who took this advice. This is exactly why people show up on the forums with no idea of what to do. Congratulations! you've just created an aggressive terrified parrot on his way to multiple different homes with so many problems it will take a bird whisperer to help them but they will probably end up in a basement ignored for the rest of it's life because it's an "aggressive" bird. If someone did that to Mushka they'd end up in the hospital and I'd be spending a few nights in jail. You'll notice that comments and likes are disabled on youtube. Maybe if you gotta do that the problem is you and not everyone else? Absolutely disgusting.
 
It seems that their website doesn't exist anymore so I can't even tell em what I think of em...
 
I have to share. Prior to getting Levi I watched tons of videos online. This was one of them. Even back than when I had no clue, I was horrified by this video.

I never heard them ask him respectfully to step up. They just forced their will on that poor baby. I’ve never seen a bird that stressed out during a training session. Absolutely disgusting!!
 
Eeeesh I’d be like let go of my baby right now. This video does look older to me for some reason. The owner if it really is the owner looks terrified of that African grey. I don’t want to get bit either. And that grey seems to be cooperating for the most part. I know when I went to pick Timneh up for the first time I walked away bleeding.
 
How could anybody do this to a bird?? That is horrible! I would never ever handle a bird like this!!
 
Perhaps if everyone complains to YouTube, they will take the video down? Because all comments are disabled, there is no other way we can warn people!
 
Let's consider how this can be turned into a Positive!

Lets face it, under the load of errors, there was a couple of fair to good points.

- Distraction (poorly presented)
- Positioning for a Step-up (also poorly presented)
- Repeated Step-up (repeating the above errors)

The majority of Posts above have pieces of how to do it correctly. If each of you who have looked at this Video will kindly now Post a: how to do it without what was shown, this will help both our new members and our guests.

Not looking for a detailed presentation, as you can simply add to the three points that I have listed above.
 
don't get me started on cagesworld. Not only do they post that video which I would say is bordering on abuse but they're a bad retailer too! I was close to ordering a cage from them due to the price but then upon reading reviews it looks like most people don't get what they ordered! Or for the few that do the item they got is ruined
 
Lets start with the opening scene.

The owner says the bird got caught in the cage and was bleeding badly, cageworld should surely have advised to go straight to an avian vet rather than to a shop.

Towling a bird that appears quite relaxed, although alert is a terribly cruel thing to do, towling should be a last resort, indeed i have never needed to do so with my grey, they demand too much respect for that. At least several attempts to coax the bird out of the cage should have been the initial approach. The bird was dragged out of the cage, screaming and in huge distress, the 'grooming' activity then takes place, the bird is not given any reassurances, it is not allowed to calm down a little before the beak is shaped. This is now a very scared bird who has no doubt lost all trust of humans and id imagine would take a very long time to build back up.
 
oh god I just noticed, when the bird is under her arm (IDIOTIC AND DANGEROUS TO YOU AND THE PARROT)

She has hand around its throat. No wonder it's more docile there. I'm actually going to report this to youtube for abuse
 
oh god I just noticed, when the bird is under her arm (IDIOTIC AND DANGEROUS TO YOU AND THE PARROT)

She has hand around its throat. No wonder it's more docile there. I'm actually going to report this to youtube for abuse

I think it should be reported, i found it abhorrent.
 
well I just reported it

500 words was not enough to explain it all

manage to get down the finer points, toweling a panicking animal susceptible to heart attacks, nearly breaking the wing when preparing to clip wings, using unsafe scissors pointing towards the bird's face, holding bird under the arm with hand around the neck, cutting wing feathers dangerously short to not allow any flight, promoting keeping birds in an empty cage

straight up animal abuse
 
Thanks LordTriggs, hopefully if they remove such awful content it will save some birds fate in the future, well done!
 
Words fail me, and if I continue, I will get kicked off this forum. So much bad info on the net, this is one of that group.
 
In regards to the first part of the video, people do need to understand not every bird is comfortable with being toweled and it is dangerous to be indecisive when toweling a frightened/agitated bird. You could injure them as they attempt to flee or fight if you don't quickly control them and/or receive a nasty bite yourself. Many birds these days are coming home from the breeder already used to being toweled and therefore do not have a strong reaction to it, so a lot of bird owners have never witnessed this level of negative reaction to being toweled (that or their vet has them wait in the waiting area while their bird is going through this so the bird doesn't make a negative association with the owner and the owner doesn't have to see their birds reaction).

Part of proper toweling technique of a bird who is not ok with being toweled is to grab them behind the head at the base of the skull, which can look like the person has grabbed the bird around the neck. This can appear rough and cruel, especially when the bird is screeching like it's about to be killed (which is literally what the bird thinks is happening) but it is the safest way to restrain and control a bird who thinks it's fighting for it's life. When we first got Kiwi and he had to go to the vet for examination or when we used to take him somewhere to be groomed, this was about his response to toweling for years until we started working with him on it at home. It's the response my moms amazon still has after decades of vet visits to being toweled. Trying desperately to escape being caught, heartbreaking screeching, fighting back as hard as they possibly can, that look the bird in the video had when released of pure unadulterated terror... It's hard to watch but not necessarily abusive as it allows for safe restraint of a non-compliant bird so they can be examined or groomed.

I am NOT defending the video, as the second part instructing people on how to teach a bird to step up leaves much to be desired and she appears to have hard clipped the poor baby, just explaining a bit more about the toweling technique used.
 
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very true Kiwi as I'm aware after I think you informed me (especially the holding) it just feels a lot more violent in that video. I'm hoping for going to vet visits I can get them to step up for the vet so no toweling is involved but if they do have to I want to excuse myself cause I don't want to see them go through that
 

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