Hi everyone, I'm new to forum, have enjoyed reading through all the different threads, I've had my parrot 25 years but I need to find proof of ownership, but I've lost the receipt all paperwork that came with basil, when we purchased him. Is there anyway I can get proof of ownership, through the number on his leg ring, I sort of know this may be impossible job now after all these years, the breeder we got him from seems to be untraceable now
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For what reason do you now need "proof of ownership"? I'm only asking because it depends on what you need it for as to what will pass as proof-of-ownership...
Have you taken him to a Vet on a regular basis throughout the years? Years worth of medical records, or even a recent medical record/bill listing you as his owner may work. As far as his leg band, they are personal to each individual breeder, and have nothing to do with your ownership of the bird. However, depending on what his leg-band says, it may or may indicate his breeder. They usually list the bird's date of birth, the state it was born in, and then may or may not have the breeder's individual "code". So you may be able to trace his breeder by his leg band number, if you don't remember the breeder's name.
Other than that, it really just depends on why you need proof of ownership as to what will work...
Have you taken him to a Vet on a regular basis throughout the years? Years worth of medical records, or even a recent medical record/bill listing you as his owner may work. As far as his leg band, they are personal to each individual breeder, and have nothing to do with your ownership of the bird. However, depending on what his leg-band says, it may or may indicate his breeder. They usually list the bird's date of birth, the state it was born in, and then may or may not have the breeder's individual "code". So you may be able to trace his breeder by his leg band number, if you don't remember the breeder's name.
Other than that, it really just depends on why you need proof of ownership as to what will work...
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Hi we bought him from a breeder in Cheshire, watched him hatch from the egg, then when he was old enough we bought him. We took him over to live with us in Bulgaria, where we have lived with him for the last 12 years, he has always been in good health and never been to the vets, we are now thinking of moving back to uk, I have phoned defra regarding taking basil back and they have told me no paper work is needed, as long as the owner travels with him. My worry is if they ask at customs for proof of ownership which of course I havnt got, I may be stressing over nothing but for peace of mind I would like to try and get proof of ownership. There is a possibly that the breeder is no longer alive as it was 25 year ago
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Holliday photoos- esp with kids (now more grown up) are sometimes enough to convince the authories.
Find some pictures/photographs of you with the bird that are obviously dated (even TVshows in the background can help sometimes)
What sort of parrot are you talking about?
The CITES1 birds are a lot harder to take from country to country than the non-CITES birds.
But are a lot better at being registered (what of course the entire point of the whole operation is)
The UK has always been notoriously difficult and now with the Brexit (sorry politics here) looming on the horizon it is a mess!
Usually the breeder can show records of whom he/she sold the birds to and when.
Maybe these people can help you https://www.aviornis.nl/over-aviornis/english/ there is a lot of knowlege and experience here for birds in (and around) Europe.
They can tell you about al the rules en regulations.
Find some pictures/photographs of you with the bird that are obviously dated (even TVshows in the background can help sometimes)
What sort of parrot are you talking about?
The CITES1 birds are a lot harder to take from country to country than the non-CITES birds.
But are a lot better at being registered (what of course the entire point of the whole operation is)
The UK has always been notoriously difficult and now with the Brexit (sorry politics here) looming on the horizon it is a mess!
Usually the breeder can show records of whom he/she sold the birds to and when.
Maybe these people can help you https://www.aviornis.nl/over-aviornis/english/ there is a lot of knowlege and experience here for birds in (and around) Europe.
They can tell you about al the rules en regulations.
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Welcome to you and Basil! Best advice is to thoroughly research the rules to avoid difficulties passing through various checkpoints. Several members have crossed borders with parrots and reported no difficulties as they had all necessary documents. Don't recall any in the Europe/UK area, though.
WOW!
Good for you, for researching/preparing to ensure the safety/security of your feathered family member! Please keep us posted.
Good for you, for researching/preparing to ensure the safety/security of your feathered family member! Please keep us posted.
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Oh, well as Scott said, you need to thoroughly, and I mean thoroughly research what is required by the UK (specific Country you are taking him into) to bring a parrot into whatever specific country you are bringing him into. The rules and requirements are completely different for every country. However, for this specific purpose, they usually require, and I'd be my life on it that they will, a "Certificate of Health" from an Avian Vet that is just recent, dated, lists you as the owner, and says that he has been fully examined by an Avian Specialist Vet, and that he is healthy and possesses no current illnesses or infections. This document will most-definitely be required regardless of the proof-of-ownership requirement, as I've not ever seen a country in the world that didn't require it, especially with birds. However, this document may very well also serve as your proof-of-ownership document too, as it will list you as the bird's owner. So I'd be finding a Certified Avian Vet and making an appointment for him, and be sure to tell them when you make the appointment why you are doing it and what you need. And before you take him to his vet appointment, call the authorities in the specific country you are wanting to move him to, and ask THEM specifically what they are going to require at the border/airport, as that is what matters, not what your local authorities in the country you're in now are telling you. And be sure to start this process of collecting the documents now, well before you are planning to move. And ask them how recent the Certificate of Health needs to be to the date you plan to bring him into the country, so that you can make the Avian Vet appointment accordingly...
***By the way, and I hate to be "that person" but I'm going to be anyway...Just because your bird has "always been healthy" does not at all mean that you should not be taking him to a Certified Avian Vet or an Avian Specialist at least once yearly for a Wellness Exam that includes a Fecal Culture and standard, routine, baseline blood-work. In fact, it means just the opposite. All birds possess an innate survival instinct to hide all outward signs and symptoms of illness, injury, and pain for as long as they possibly can; this is a survival instinct that protects them and their flockmates from predators, and keeps them from being kicked-out of the flock for fear of appearing weak to predators. As such, most pet parrots just instinctively hide all outward signs of illness and pain for as long as possible, usually this equates to months and months, if not longer. So by the time we as people recognize that our birds are sick, that something is wrong with them, they've typically been sick for months and months, and it's often too late to help them. This is why something as simple as a bacterial or fungal infection in their Gastrointestinal Tracts, that could easily be treated with a simple round of Antibiotics or Anti-Fungal medications IF caught within a reasonable amount of time, end-up often killing pet parrots, because by the time their owners notice that something is wrong with them, the infection has spread to their bloodstream and they have become septic. So taking your parrot to either a Certified Avian Vet or an Avian Specialist at least once a year for a complete Wellness-Exam that includes at least a Fecal Culture and baseline blood-work that you can use as the comparison each year to gauge his overall-health and the development of serious diseases that you cannot see until they are too far-gone to do anything about, such as liver and kidney diseases, heart conditions and diseases, and Respiratory conditions including diseases of their very important Air-Sac systems is so very important. The number one reason that most captive, pet parrots do not live their full life-span is because they are not taken yearly for a Wellness Exam with blood work...
***By the way, and I hate to be "that person" but I'm going to be anyway...Just because your bird has "always been healthy" does not at all mean that you should not be taking him to a Certified Avian Vet or an Avian Specialist at least once yearly for a Wellness Exam that includes a Fecal Culture and standard, routine, baseline blood-work. In fact, it means just the opposite. All birds possess an innate survival instinct to hide all outward signs and symptoms of illness, injury, and pain for as long as they possibly can; this is a survival instinct that protects them and their flockmates from predators, and keeps them from being kicked-out of the flock for fear of appearing weak to predators. As such, most pet parrots just instinctively hide all outward signs of illness and pain for as long as possible, usually this equates to months and months, if not longer. So by the time we as people recognize that our birds are sick, that something is wrong with them, they've typically been sick for months and months, and it's often too late to help them. This is why something as simple as a bacterial or fungal infection in their Gastrointestinal Tracts, that could easily be treated with a simple round of Antibiotics or Anti-Fungal medications IF caught within a reasonable amount of time, end-up often killing pet parrots, because by the time their owners notice that something is wrong with them, the infection has spread to their bloodstream and they have become septic. So taking your parrot to either a Certified Avian Vet or an Avian Specialist at least once a year for a complete Wellness-Exam that includes at least a Fecal Culture and baseline blood-work that you can use as the comparison each year to gauge his overall-health and the development of serious diseases that you cannot see until they are too far-gone to do anything about, such as liver and kidney diseases, heart conditions and diseases, and Respiratory conditions including diseases of their very important Air-Sac systems is so very important. The number one reason that most captive, pet parrots do not live their full life-span is because they are not taken yearly for a Wellness Exam with blood work...
I just had another idea. If you can collect a batch of photos, documents, vet bills, whatever... why not make a scrapbook? Even if the stuff is disjointed or pretty recent, a scrapbook would be a good start. I have an online scrapbook (see my signature for a link) and I also have a big old tangible one with weight records, vet bills, original band, collected feathers, photos, general "I-love-my-bird" stuff. Not only is it a good way to stay organized, it's a lot of fun.
- May 23, 2018
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- Sunny a female B&G macaw;
Japie (m) & Appie (f), both are congo african grey;
All are rescues- had to leave their previous homes for 'reasons', are still in contact with them :)
Just get in touch with the aviornis-pepple -> they send birds all over the place/ Europe all the time and know the rules (and even more important whom to contact about said rules to get the best/fastest results)
If I got the right site... your Bird is CITES II ( Amazona ochrocephala )
https://cites.org/eng/node/19433
That will make things easier.
Have you tried to contact the breeder?
Because if that person is till there (or even the kids kept the paperwork) you are out of the woods.
(your bird will be 'coming home' instead of being imported)
If I got the right site... your Bird is CITES II ( Amazona ochrocephala )
https://cites.org/eng/node/19433
That will make things easier.
Have you tried to contact the breeder?
Because if that person is till there (or even the kids kept the paperwork) you are out of the woods.
(your bird will be 'coming home' instead of being imported)
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