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Hi everyone,

I just joined, so "hi!". I have been doing a lot of research and am looking into getting my first bird, so I thought I would ask your opinions. I am looking into both cockatiels and conies (leaning moreso to GC conures). I love their playful nature! I just wanted to hear your opinions on what is a good starter bird, for someone who lives in a condo? Size doesn't matter to me, I just want a semi-quiet (I know all birds have their loud times though) and affectionate bird. I will be able to have it out about 3-4 hours per day if needed. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!
 
Well, conures can be a bit loud, but they are great starter birds. There are also mini macaws, like the yellow collared that make great pets. however, any parrot will have a time of day where it likes to scream, unless yo get luck like me :). You might need more than just 3 to 4 hours to have the bird out. That's my opinion. They are a lot like children and need lots of attention or they will become depressed (screaming, plucking) or destructive ( tearing up everything in sight, including themselves). It's not like a hamster that lives soley in their cages and are fine being handled for a bit of time a day,but more on the attention needs of a dog or toddler. They need the interaction, especially when you first bring them home.

You need time to work on socializing and teaching commands like step up, flying, or any tricks. It should have fresh meals, along with it's normal bird diet and this ranges from fruit to veggies to oatmeal and mashed potatoes. Think of it like a child. If you're ready for a child with the intelligence and attention of a 4 year old then you are ready for a bird. Good luck!
 
Well, conures can be a bit loud, but they are great starter birds. There are also mini macaws, like the yellow collared that make great pets. however, any parrot will have a time of day where it likes to scream, unless yo get luck like me :). You might need more than just 3 to 4 hours to have the bird out. That's my opinion. They are a lot like children and need lots of attention or they will become depressed (screaming, plucking) or destructive ( tearing up everything in sight, including themselves). It's not like a hamster that lives soley in their cages and are fine being handled for a bit of time a day,but more on the attention needs of a dog or toddler. They need the interaction, especially when you first bring them home.

You need time to work on socializing and teaching commands like step up, flying, or any tricks. It should have fresh meals, along with it's normal bird diet and this ranges from fruit to veggies to oatmeal and mashed potatoes. Think of it like a child. If you're ready for a child with the intelligence and attention of a 4 year old then you are ready for a bird. Good luck!

That's an awesome assessment, but wanted to piggyback my own observations as well as adding other observations, if that's okay. :)

I will also be including other conures, which are also a little more advanced than Green Cheek Conures (GCCs). But, so far, I've not found the care for the other conure species to be any different. Suns, Jendays, Blue Crowns, apart from personality differences, require similar amounts of care and dedication: Just spend quality time directly with the bird, and they will develop trust and bond over time.

And learn what toys they like to play with and appease that mentality. Does the bird shred things, make bells go ding-dong, cuddle up next to frizzy or frilly things, does it like to chew on leather toys, etc... buy one of each for a parrot to find out and then take notes as to what to get or what to not get.

GCCs can be loud - while my Blue Crown Conure (BCC) sometimes squawks LOUDLY, the Green Cheeks can be just as LOUD - especially if they feel neglected or feel jealousy toward newcomers into the flock. (thankfully they eyed my BCC tonight and didn't spaz. When I had parrotlets, the GCCs shrieked and shrieked and did not stop. And with 2 weeks with no neighbors complaining about the BCC yet, I have hope things are working out for him as well. Am keeping my fingers crossed as well), but I digress... GCCs are typically quiet, with only occasional loud vocalizations or screams. Usually at morning and night. Normal vocalizations are very tame (as are most BCC's.) GCCs absolutely make good apartment/condo birds, the BCCs potentially less so - but from sources I've read, BCCs are "OK". Not an outright "no" but not an outright "yes" based on a couple books I'd read. But Sun Conures and Jendays are absolute no-nos for apartments, every source I've read has been consistent. And those include the sources that said "OK" (aka "borderline") for BCCs. But I digress again.

Cockatiels are not as LOUD or have the LOUD potential, but they are near-constant chatterboxes, whistling all the time. Cockatiels drove me up the wall with their whistles and tunes.

In short, a pyhhura conure species is going to be quieter over all compared to an aratinga conure. Most aratingas are going to be way too loud, with one or two exceptions, which includes the BCC. I have to get some bird vittles and might pick up the book referencing conure care and namedrop the title. I recall it was a good resource in many ways... )

Conures, regardless of model, are highly intelligent. BCCs more so than GCCs, but GCCs definitely have an intelligence that must be appeased. Many toys, changed on occasion, will prevent neuroses from setting in. My Rosie loves to play with shiny metal objects and corn cobs (which I remove so he can't). Scooter will shred anything made of wood. Rusty loves to nibble on leather. Tybbi is too new, but she loves to cuddle with anything that has coconut hair on it, and to poke at the bamboo windchime and to use it as a backscratcher as well. The toys Tybbi likes to cuddle I keep an eye on as I don't want him bonding to them instead of me. Oh, he - like Rosie - likes to play with rawhide toys that have bells on them and to make them go ding-dong.

Conures are easier to train to do somersaults and other tricks. Cockatiels might, but conures are definitely more intelligent birds. (in training my BCC, he's figured out how to distract me so he will clutch onto the millet treat with his talon rather than taking it by his beak. I've since then out-thought him, but they are conscious critters. Heck, my BCC even uses toys as back scratchers. If he figures out how to use the bamboo windchime as a lever to open up the cage door then I'm in trouble... which is why I bought a lock... :53:

One way to train is to take note of what the bird likes to do naturally and capitalize on that. Rusty likes to bend over, so with him on a perch I taught him to somersault and get a payapa treat as a reward. He gets his exercise... :) Rosie responds to laughter, so if I see something and guffaw loudly, she'll create a habit out of that and use it to get my attention. She loathes human hands due to coming from an abusive environment but she's rewarded my keeping my distance, and she will take some treats from my hand. Sadly, she'll never get to enjoy a head-scratching.

As does, like you said, spending time with the bird. But I would say that a pattern should be set early on that is not often deviated. Birds crave a routine schedule and go will nuts if anything interferes with "their" schedule. To spend a ton of time with the bird early on, only to give it less time later on, might have the bird screaming and then losing tameness. Or spazzing out because there's no pattern and birds love patterns. When I got my BCC, despite bending the rules due to the recent holiday, I made some token effort to only let him out of his cage after 5:00PM. Not during the day when I'd otherwise be at work. The weekends will be the same way - out during evenings only. Since he's in the main room, he's content to watch me on the computer anyhow. I do want to get him something else to diddle with when I'm away, though.

Oh, conures do not produce dander like cockatiels. I gave up cockatiels due to that (allergies).

Both species will require positive reinforcement strategies (giving treats and being animated with praise when they do good things). Never hit a bird. As a prey species with a short attention span, they will not see being sprayed with a water bottle as punishment. Heck, they might enjoy the shower... and, again, never hit a bird. You will lose its trust quickly and it's hard to build up to begin with.

When the bird is out, beware of certain foods and even plants - some can be toxic or lethal. I don't have plants in my apartment and all food is covered up. Granted, if they figured out how to unlock the cages and then roam around to get at the onions I might worry, but that's not possible.

Both GCCs and cockatiels make excellent beginner birds, but my vote goes for GCCs, if not most conures in general. They are more interactive and more fun as a result. Once I get that book I'd mentioned, I'll send the name your way - the chart goes into species, vocal levels, and I dare say it also told which species were good for beginner types, but if you know the species upfront, that's half the issue already solved. Only the time and temperament to keep the bird happy remain.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum:)

Have you also thought about an IRN or Pionus ?
 
Hi, welcome to the forum! :D
I may be biased because I just got my first bird a couple weeks ago, but I love my peach-faced lovebird. He's so sweet, sometimes a handful though!

I hope you find what you're looking for, birdies are awesome pets :)
 
Hello and welcome to the forum:)

Have you also thought about an IRN or Pionus ?


Pionus is a wonderful bird - medium-sized, quiet and great for condos, and intelligent. If one can be found that's human-tame, they do make awesome companions... :)
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! I definitely do know the amount of care and time needed for these wonderful little guys, and in my opinion, I find it so rewarding when I have get to see the product of my work (a happy parrot, or apparently a happy 4 year old! haha =)).

I have a few more questions if I may. A good point was made by thermodynamic about having a set schedule. I am planning on bringing in my new bird home sometime in august, and I will be home mostly during the day. In september I will be going back to college and will still have the time to spend with him or her for about 3-4 hours, if not more, in the evening. When I bring him home in august should I stay to the schedule in the the evening? Or can I hold him during the day for august and start the schedule in september?

What is the best age to get one? Should I buy a youngling (like a couple months old) or an older (3+ years)?

When I first bring him home, what should I keep in mind?

Also, I have two dogs and two cats, will the bird be able to get along with them?

Sorry to ask so many questions! I really appreciate all of your answers though =)

@wenz2712 I have not looked up pionus, but I defiantly will! They seem a bit rare though? Do they cost a lot more then a conure?
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! I definitely do know the amount of care and time needed for these wonderful little guys, and in my opinion, I find it so rewarding when I have get to see the product of my work (a happy parrot, or apparently a happy 4 year old! haha =)).

I have a few more questions if I may. A good point was made by thermodynamic about having a set schedule. I am planning on bringing in my new bird home sometime in august, and I will be home mostly during the day. In september I will be going back to college and will still have the time to spend with him or her for about 3-4 hours, if not more, in the evening. When I bring him home in august should I stay to the schedule in the the evening? Or can I hold him during the day for august and start the schedule in september?

What is the best age to get one? Should I buy a youngling (like a couple months old) or an older (3+ years)?

When I first bring him home, what should I keep in mind?

Also, I have two dogs and two cats, will the bird be able to get along with them?

Sorry to ask so many questions! I really appreciate all of your answers though =)

Questions are always great! :D

If you've got the time, then you'll be okay. :) Parrots do prefer a predictable schedule that they want, but as long as the hours are in there, it will adapt. Two examples: The first being the holiday weekend. I'd only gotten Tybbi and although I never let her out until after 3:30, she did get an inconsistency with my being home for the holiday but back to work the next. When I left the apartment, she didn't scream, but as an older bird she's probably had enough experience built up to understand... The other example is that I'm in college again as well - and mine don't peck my eyes out as revenge if they don't get their daily scratching, so they will be tolerable of a varied schedule, but as long as they get the handling and quality time you'll be okay. :)

As a person who adopted both younger and older parrots, any parrot can be adopted. Personally, younger would be better as they haven't developed a full personality yet, and is more likely to form a stronger bond - and settle in more quickly, but with time and care and knowing the bird's likes and dislkes, even an older bird will adapt and warm up. It does boil down to their personality, though - if you want a bird that cuddles and the bird doesn't want to cuddle, it will take a long time - if ever - to make it a cuddlebug. Finding a bird with a personality that complements and works with you is a big plus. "The right bird for the right person", said an aviculturalist at a bird club I infrequently attend...

When acquiring the bird, find out what food is given to the bird and get some. You will likely want to wean the parrot to a different food or different foods: Pellet-based foods that are preferably made with real vegetable and fruit matter and keep "propylene glycol" and other nasty stuff to a minimum are better. Don't do nutraberries except as a treat. Nutraberries' use of propylene glycol as a sweetener is highly addictive, not to mention the same goo can be found in shampoo and antifreeze. Never mind foods that humans eat, so I don't think it should be in any food... I use Zupreem brand pellets, either Garden Goodness, Harvest Feast, or the spicy Southwestern one. And do use real fruits and vegetables as well.

The reason why you want to get some of the food the parrot currently eats is because the bird will not blindly eat what gets put into its food bowl. A bird, when it finds something it eats, likes, and won't kill it, it will stick to that food. It can be a chore to get them from less-desirable food to desirable food. It helps after the birds start to bond. None of mine would touch a carrot until I ate one in front of them. Okay, Scooter still slung his around, but Rosie took to carrots immediately. Rusty eventually did as well. Ditto for broccoli, though Rusty and Scooter would eventually nibble as well. It's ironic; Rosie - the one abused by humans - was the first to accept my "demonstrating" the food at face value. She's afraid of human hands, but she has bonded to me in her own way. But she will never be a cuddlebug. :(

Keep nuts limited as treats as well. And avoid peanuts in the shell as mold growing within can be a problem... the concept of a peanut is really cool as the parrot has to work to eat the yummy within, but mold is toxic...

Cats and dogs... I can't quite answer that one, unfortunately. I can fathom taking the time to introduce the newcomer might or might not work, and to use punishment on the cat or dog if they snoop around the cage too often (but to otherwise try to get the animals to tolerate or like each other when together) can become a problem. But I can't answer that as dogs and cats make me sneeze and asphyxiate...

But I can say this: Any bird you get should be sociable, walking up to you from its cage, and show an interest in you. If the bird shows interest in you and your family, it will probably be more inclined to accept the other animals. I live alone, probably always will, and my birds have not seen another real life human in years. Rosie would be deathly terrified, Rusty MIGHT show an interest, Scooter will probably be apathetic or shy, and I've yet to fathom what Tybbi will do, what with her being absconded in a bathroom at a pet store, bandied back and forth by others until I adopted her where the odds now seem excellent that she will remain with me for the rest of her live. Thankfully. (it's been over 2 weeks now, she's more accepting of me, and no neighbor has complained. And Tybbi has been in the line of sight of the other conures and they did not shriek in jealousy, unlike when I had parrotlets. I did give up the parrotlets to an adoption agency as a result... didn't want to, but the conures hated my giving attention to them... But cats and dogs are very different to birds... do take my story with a grain of salt...)

Also, Rosie and Rusty I never let out of their cages at the same time, because they hate each other. I had brought them out, got a great pic of the trio, and later Rusty lunged at Rosie - it was unexpected. I got them separated, and was not happy. Rusty ended up bleeding thanks to Rosie, but I got that clotted and he's a happy little birdie today. But since that day, which was shortly after I had gotten Rosie and there was no obvious indication they would be out to make little pillows out of each others' feathers, I've never let them out at the same time and if I do, I risk one of them being seriously hurt or killed. I don't want that. Interestingly enough, Scooter tolerates both Rusty and Rosie. That could be an impetus.

That's not to say a parrot and other animal will play "American Gladiators" without the safety precautions, but it is a possibility. Some animals WILL get along instantly, others need time for something positive to develop, and others will just hate each other forever.
 
Hi and welcome
Hard choosing a bird
Great that you are looking at all options
Good luck choosing one
 
As a person who adopted both younger and older parrots, any parrot can be adopted. Personally, younger would be better as they haven't developed a full personality yet, and is more likely to form a stronger bond - and settle in more quickly, but with time and care and knowing the bird's likes and dislkes, even an older bird will adapt and warm up. It does boil down to their personality, though - if you want a bird that cuddles and the bird doesn't want to cuddle, it will take a long time - if ever - to make it a cuddlebug. Finding a bird with a personality that complements and works with you is a big plus. "The right bird for the right person", said an aviculturalist at a bird club I infrequently attend...

Thanks for all the information! So any idea on how to pick one that has a 'cuddly' personality? Is it just a risk you take or is there some way of seeing?

Thanks! =D
 

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