Not Good News for Zilla at the Vets Yesterday!

I'm so sorry! But i'll bet she does NOT think you are the meanest mommy ever. They have a strange way of knowing we are trying to help and I think they do appreciate it and bond more deeply with us through the bad experience.

She does seem to be bonding closer to me the last 2 days or so. Yesterday I felt like she had velcro on her feet and was attached to my shoulder! She preened my hair and ears and when I wanted her off she just snuggled as close to my neck as she could and put her head against my neck like she was trying to hug me.

Those things just melt my heart and make me all squishy inside! :D
 
Was she having some sort of symptoms [What were they?}

This is a good question for all of us, so we know what to watch out for. I feel so sad reading Zilla's condition and I am hoping she gets better.
 
Amanda, getting here late, but wanted to say, I'm very sorry you and Zilla didn't get better news. The changes you have made for Zilla by first finding her, then adopting her and loving her so much are nothing short of a miracle. No matter where your journey together leads, you have already formed a beautiful bond to help get you through all the icky meds and all the worry. Wishing you both the very best.
 
I know it's painful for YOU to see her like this- being sick, going through the medications, learning about her past, seeing what damage can be done with unhealthy diets, and just knowing that she's been through heck....

But she has you now. She knows she's in good hands- she knows that you love her and only want the best for her... Take joy in the fact that you've improved her life TREMENDOUSLY so far, you've shown her what it's really like to be loved, and that you can actually help her recover from her past.

I'll be praying for Zilla's health, and a speedy and full recovery. [emoji4][emoji173]️
 
Was she having some sort of symptoms [What were they?}

This is a good question for all of us, so we know what to watch out for. I feel so sad reading Zilla's condition and I am hoping she gets better.

Without making this the longest post ever, I will explain a little about my adventures with Zilla for those that haven't seen my other posts and don't know her history... For those that want to go back and get her full history there are many posts from me about her, how I got her, the breathing problems, vet visits, diagnosis, and now the latest diagnosis.

She came to be with me on Sept. 24th, so just over a month ago. Her previous owners who had her for 6 years gave her to a guy who had her for about 8 days and decided he didn't want her, she was just too much "work" for him. He called me on Sept. 23rd and said if I wanted her he would bring her (cage and all) on the 24th about 2pm. He showed up at 9:30am and I have been hers ever since. :D

About 3 days later the guy I got her from came bringing me a bottle of meds and told me she would have to have them if I didn't pay enough attention to her and she started breathing "funny", I googled the medication and found out it was an antibiotic usually prescribed for respiratory infections, then I looked at the date on the bottle and found it was expired! Why would antibiotics be prescribed for emotional issues? They wouldn't!

A few days later she started having breathing problems, I took her to the emergency A-Vet and she was diagnosed with an upper respiratory infection, given meds and sent home. She improved, then she started having breathing problems again (this time they seemed to clear up on their own after a few hours), took her in to the A-Vet and we ran several tests, trying to figure out the root of the problem. Tests were coming back "within the normal" range on everything. Some things a little high or low, but "normal" for what she has been through. Nothing was standing out to the vet as "abnormal" And before everyone asks I take her to the only board certified A-Vet in Oregon. While at the vets office she had several mini-seizures so then we were thinking zinc poisoning (her old cage was galvanized steel and super rusty) those tests came back with her levels a bit higher than normal, but not high enough to give the meds with the risks associated with them.

I've been watching what she eats (just to make sure this isn't food related) and she has had several "episodes" of breathing issues that would clear up on their own before I could get her to the vet (we would get to the vet and she would be "fine"). These seem to be happening when she is playing for long periods, or after she is really active for more than her usual few minutes.

I took her to the vet last Monday (our 4th reg A-Vet trip) and there were 3 "lumps" found in her lower abdomen on palpitation, so we had new scans done and found the aspers in her right secondary air sac. Her fecal smear also showed her kidneys are not working right and the scan showed very enlarged kidneys.

This was not diagnosed in the earlier scans due to the amount of scar tissue she has in all her air sacs. It's obvious this has been going on with her for years and being mis-diagnosed as viral infections and not fungal. The vet found this because of the "lumps" and by comparing the older and newer scans. (the older scans where only a week or so old, that's how fast this grew)

The vet can only give her opinion on how this has happened and why it wasn't diagnosed earlier.

1. she was being taken to vets who don't normally see birds and didn't have a clue (one has even admitted she had never seen a bird before and was trying to do her research as she went)

2. Zilla was being given coffee, pepsi, oroes, snack crackers and whatever was on her owners plate daily, her seed was a parakeet diet with tons of sunflower seeds. The caffeine, carbonation, artificial sweeteners, and dyes have caused the kidney problems.

3. all the trips to the vet with the previous owners resulted in being given antibiotics, but they never finished them, as soon as she started acting better they stopped fighting her to give them to her. She has now had 11 different antibiotics since April of this year. This also had an impact on her kidneys and liver, not to mention her immune system.

4. her cage wasn't being cleaned on a regular basis, rotting food was left in the bottom of it for who knows how long and she was breathing the mold spores. (I saw her cage when it arrived at my place and it was covered in poo and food)

So now she on a strict healthy kidney diet that takes away most of her favorite foods, all protein is gone, all citrus is gone, all dark leafy greens are gone, the only pellets she can have are what is in her nitri-berries, no dies in anything, no preservatives of any kind, no sweeteners of any kind real or artificial.

She is also on a strong anti-fungal medication that, in and of itself, will do damage to her kidneys because of the dosage she has to have.

My hope is that she will make it through this, and I will do everything I can to make that happen, and she will have many more years with me in a loving, safe, fun, happy home.
 
Amanda, again I wish you all the best with Zilla. Did you know Roudybush has a special rx care line? They have a specific kidney diet called Roudybush AK. It's only available through a vet. If they don't carry it, I'm sure they can order it.
 
The seed diet in and of itself would be enough to damage her liver and kidneys...

Pecker's liver values were in the "this bird should be dead" range when I got her, and changing the diet and getting as much aloe detox as I could into her brought the liver values down to the low normal range...

But I don't know with respiratory problems and everything else if you can force any more stuff on her. That's something to discuss with your avian vet...
 
The seed diet in and of itself would be enough to damage her liver and kidneys...

Pecker's liver values were in the "this bird should be dead" range when I got her, and changing the diet and getting as much aloe detox as I could into her brought the liver values down to the low normal range...

But I don't know with respiratory problems and everything else if you can force any more stuff on her. That's something to discuss with your avian vet...

I would love to have more information on these things, so I can take them to my vet and see what she thinks. I will do whatever I can for this little feather ball! My Mom accused me last night of laying an egg 28 years ago and keeping what hatched out of it a secret!

The good thing (if there is one) about this medication is I don't have to "force" it down her I "hide" it in something she really likes and wants and she just thinks she is getting something she wants! Smashed potatoes are working great, and so did spiral pasta!

The hard part (for me) is in how small the little balls are (I compare them to the little scrubbing balls in facial cleanser, only smaller) and I have to count out 9 of them per dose, 8 isn't enough and 10 could overdose her. There is a 3 month dosage in 1 small tylenol size capsule that I have to open every evening and count out the correct dose to put in her food! So I turn on all the big bright lights in the kitchen, put on my strongest reading glasses and thank God I have long nails, get a dark colored plate (the balls are white) and go to town counting! I even tried tweezers, but the little balls are too small!
 
Amanda, again I wish you all the best with Zilla. Did you know Roudybush has a special rx care line? They have a specific kidney diet called Roudybush AK. It's only available through a vet. If they don't carry it, I'm sure they can order it.

I will ask my vet and see if she thinks it would help, Thanks!
 
It breaks my heart while making me furiously angry to hear these kind of stories:mad::mad::mad: Especially when I hear from you how sweet, loving and what an amazing companion Zilla is to someone who is willing to put in the effort! She sounds like a perfectly delightful little bird and did not deserve to be so mistreated. To hear she was inhaling in the mold spores due to neglect instead of a accidental infection must be all the more aggravating! I did have to laugh at what your mom said though:54: What a lucky girl Zilla is to be so spoiled and loved now! And I'm glad to hear she likes the spiral pasta;) It's a great way too fool our feathered friends into thinking they're getting junk food:)

Just a suggestion, but try rounded tip tweezers designed for holding small beads and see if those help. This set you can get from Joann, and the flat-tipped funny looking ones at the end would probably be helpful for the medication- Craft & Jewelry Tool-Tweezers at Joann.com I think you may find it much easier.
 
Amanda, there is no doubt that Zilla knows, absolutely, that you are trying to save her, not treat her badly. I am discovering, as experience grows, that birds can sense your intentions and you love of them.

By way of illustration, I had occasion to collect a badly injured adult female Cooper's hawk a few days ago (I'm an Animal Control officer, and a hard-core animal lover). She had hit a fence top and broken her left wing (badly - a compound fracture, with bones showing), and the finders had container her, but she went completely berserk when anyone approached her (naturally). I spoke to her softly and gently for a few minutes, and she let me not only approach her, but pick her up, cradling her in my arms. I gently placed her wing in its proper position (I know this hurt her, but she still allowed me to do it), stroked her head gently, and held her all the way to the vet.

There is no doubt in my mind that she understood, that I was trying to help her.

Your little Zilla knows and understands that you love her & are helping her. Many people would give up, but you (and I, and the people on this forum) would not. My thoughts are with you & Zilla. Keep your chin up, and persevere!
 
Your little Zilla knows and understands that you love her & are helping her. Many people would give up, but you (and I, and the people on this forum) would not. My thoughts are with you & Zilla. Keep your chin up, and persevere!

I know all about the fact that most people would just give up, I hear it EVERYDAY from my friends and co-workers. I can't count the times someone has said "why don't you just put her down and go get a new bird if you want a bird so bad, it would be so much cheaper to just go buy a healthy bird than to try to save a sick one"

What they don't get is it's NOT about the money to me, it's about THIS little green ball of feathers! If I can improve her life, make her happy and get her as healthy as I can, I know she will show me all her unconditional love for whatever time she has left. If that's a few months or many years it's the same result to me. Of course I would love to have many many years with her, but if that doesn't happen I will know I did everything I could and I will know she knew it too.
 
Your little Zilla knows and understands that you love her & are helping her. Many people would give up, but you (and I, and the people on this forum) would not. My thoughts are with you & Zilla. Keep your chin up, and persevere!

I know all about the fact that most people would just give up, I hear it EVERYDAY from my friends and co-workers. I can't count the times someone has said "why don't you just put her down and go get a new bird if you want a bird so bad, it would be so much cheaper to just go buy a healthy bird than to try to save a sick one"

What they don't get is it's NOT about the money to me, it's about THIS little green ball of feathers! If I can improve her life, make her happy and get her as healthy as I can, I know she will show me all her unconditional love for whatever time she has left. If that's a few months or many years it's the same result to me. Of course I would love to have many many years with her, but if that doesn't happen I will know I did everything I could and I will know she knew it too.

Almost nothing pisses me off more intensely than imbeciles who parrot (pun intended!) the simpleton cost-benefit analysis associated with saving a beloved pet. "Oh, you can just get another." Oh no, you can't. :mad:
Parrots have unique personalities, and the bond that forms between each one and his/her people is special. I can pinpoint my deep respect for animal life to their fundamental innocence; they live their lives from a survivalist POV, utterly without guile, Machiavellian scheming, or a cunning sense of future. Yeah, all those traits that make humans "special!" They freely give unconditional love and deserve safety, proper nutrition/stimulation, and competent medical care.

Without quoting the text, your post #25 on page 3 reveals the abject idiocy of some owners. Feeding a parrot such a diet can only be the consequence of supreme ignorance and the lack of basic care. Then again, they eat the same crap and feed it to their kids, so why's the parrot going to eat differently??
 
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Your little Zilla knows and understands that you love her & are helping her. Many people would give up, but you (and I, and the people on this forum) would not. My thoughts are with you & Zilla. Keep your chin up, and persevere!

I know all about the fact that most people would just give up, I hear it EVERYDAY from my friends and co-workers. I can't count the times someone has said "why don't you just put her down and go get a new bird if you want a bird so bad, it would be so much cheaper to just go buy a healthy bird than to try to save a sick one"

What they don't get is it's NOT about the money to me, it's about THIS little green ball of feathers! If I can improve her life, make her happy and get her as healthy as I can, I know she will show me all her unconditional love for whatever time she has left. If that's a few months or many years it's the same result to me. Of course I would love to have many many years with her, but if that doesn't happen I will know I did everything I could and I will know she knew it too.
See? You are a WONDERFUL mom to Zilla! I'm with you - I'd go without food, sell my belongings, whatever it would take to save my babies. In the last 2 years I spend $15K on one of my beloved dogs, and still lost him in the end. Did I regret spending any of that money|? Not on your life. I just enjoyed every single moment of our time together.
 

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