OMG!!!! African Grey might have witnessed a MURDER

[Muggie]

Winged murder witness: ?Don?t f?ing shoot? | WOODTV.com

 

[SailBoat]

Yup, the Grey did see it and all of the emotions of the killing. As stated as part of an earlier Thread regarding this topic; it is unlikely that the Gray will be part of the Court Hearing.

The Grey is staying with the ex-wife and that is where this came to light.

Yes, there has been some statements regarding the Grey being part of the Hearing, but not likely due to the possibility of 'tampering.'

Thank-you, for bring this back-up.

 

[DRB]

Hasn't this happened many times over the years, in which a CAG or another parrot was on the scene and was considered for evidence?

IIRC they never have been put on the stand or entered as evidence b/c it is near impossible to prove where they saw the violence or heard the calls for help.

 

[wrench13]

Inadmissible. Move on, Councilor.

 

[Allee]

Inadmissible. Move on, Councilor.

I agree, I don't see how this would be allowed. My heart breaks for the parrot though, can you imagine the trauma if he saw the murder?

Here's a much older case involving a cockatoo, it still breaks my heart. The cockatoo didn't live to testify in his human's murder trial but there's no arguing that the Too brought the killers to justice.

Brave cockatoo provides evidence to solve murder | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal

 

[SailBoat]

I agree, I don't see how this would be allowed. My heart breaks for the parrot though, can you imagine the trauma if he saw the murder?

Here's a much older case involving a cockatoo, it still breaks my heart. The cockatoo didn't live to testify in his human's murder trial but there's no arguing that the Too brought the killers to justice. [/QUOTE]


And, that is what lead the police to their suspect. The police delivered the Gray to the ex-wife that same day. A couple of days later, the police had been called back to the ex-wife's house to listen to what the Gray had been saying. In near perfect pitch the last minutes of the guys life unfolded with the back and forth between the killer and him.

 

[mh434]

I don't know - I'm sure the defense would fight it tooth and nail, but consider this: would a tape recording of the same statement carry any weight? Of course it would - it's only circumstantial, of course, as a tape recording can't be cross-examined, but it still exists. I've read that, in this case, the parrot's vocalization is clearly in the deceased's voice (our CAG says many things, always using the specific voice he learned it in, and it's abundantly clear whose voice it is). It might still have value as circumstantial evidence, albeit with less weight than, say, a tape recording.