Thermal perches

kellie

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Hey guys! Does anyone have a thermal perch for their bird? I stumbled across one on amazon and now... like everything bird related I stumble across... I'm convinced it's completely necessary or my little guy won't be as happy and healthy as he can be.

Does anyone have one or have any thoughts on it?

Does the necessity of one depend on where you live? I live in Arizona, so it gets up to 125 degrees f here in the summer and I keep the house at a constant 78-80 degrees in the summer and will probably have it around 72-74 during the winter.

Let me know any thoughts you have on them so I can decide whether or not to buy one! Thanks (:

Here's the one I found on amazon [ame="http://www.amazon.com/K-H-Thermo-Perch-Medium/dp/B000795ZEA/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&qid=1374691315&sr=8-35&keywords=bird+cage+top+perch"]Amazon.com: K&H Thermo Perch, Medium: Pet Supplies[/ame]
 
Save your $$$ Kellie, our feathered friends are much better at handling cold weather than we humans are.....in fact, they easily handle freezing temps, while static air with temps in the 80s can easily heat stress them.....

When temps get cold.....below 40 degrees F, you might see birds shivering, but unlike we humans who shiver for lack of heat, our feathered friends are generating body heat by shivering their flight muscles.....another way birds keep feet & legs warm is to squat down, over their legs & feet, puffing out their feathers just enough to direct body heat down, over these extremities.....birds are much better equipped to handle those cool temps you & I grab our parkas for.....

There are breeders in Europe who break the ice every morning in their birds' water bowls...and...those birds do fine without heated perches.....

Forget the heated perch & treat yourself to a manicure or pedicure.....
 
But under the reviews section all the people are saying it was one of the best things they ever purchased for their bird and shortened the amount of sicknesses they had and that the birds loved them. Could it hurt?
 
But under the reviews section all the people are saying it was one of the best things they ever purchased for their bird and shortened the amount of sicknesses they had and that the birds loved them. Could it hurt?

Please don't take this as any kind of slam, because it certainly is not meant to be, but welcome to the world of 'Ringer' advertising.....in many cases advertising departments write their own 'reviews' then post them & if an E-mail address is required to 'validate' the 'review' posting, those are as easy to come by as the home grown 'reviews' are.....

With owning parrots (any specie or size) you will read a lot of information that is good and bad, along with a lot of information that is blatantly false.....in the United States (other countries have, in some cases, much better regulations) there really is no "truth in advertising law," so almost anything can be said to get you to buy a product.....similarly, there are a lot of things sold in pet stores and on pet related websites that are bad and even dangerous for pets, but because the manufacturer and the pet store are in business to sell their products, they are not required to let the consumer know of these dangers.....

It is a good thing you came to the forums to ask about the heated perch, I will admit that people do buy them for their birds, but their birds do not really need them...and...to explain a little more about things being sold that may be dangerous to our pets, the supplement industry (in the U.S.) is not regulated by any government agency, so it is big business.....here's something I posted back in January:

Be careful with vitamin supplements. Giving your bird too much can cause overdosing, where the buildup of vitamins will begin to act as poisons.

For the majority of us, the subject of supplements is a guessing game. We guess at which supplements our feathered friends require. Since there is the multitude of supplement options – which one do we choose? What if your Pesky Parrot is allergic to a particular supplement, will you know? What will you do?

After we decide on a type and brand of supplement, how do we get Pesky or Pollyanna to consume the supplement? Do we sprinkle it on their food or do we mix it in their water, do we mix a solution and feed with an eye dropper?

Because there has been relatively little study done on specie specific requirements (birds), many of the supplements offered are the same as those offered we humans.

We often hear of tainted foods and product recalls in our own food chain as well as in the pet industry.

The supplement industry is, as of this writing, an unregulated industry in the United States. That being the case, how do we know what is safe and what is not To be honest, we don’t. You may want to ask your veterinarian about a particular supplement and/or the brand before offering to your feathered friends.

In commentary about the ingredients used in supplements, Susan Weiss, president of Ark Naturals, a supplement manufacturer, said:

“It can be a real challenge, even for manufacturers, to get to the reality of ingredients. Manufacturers buy raw materials and get a certificate of analysis. The supplier basically warranties the quality, but how do you know? There is no authority that warrants that the COAs are valid.”

Eve Adamson, writing for Pet Product News International, August 2008, wrote:

“If a manufacturer can’t even be sure that an ingredient is what it says, how does a retailer, and then a consumer, trust the label?”

Weiss goes on to state:

“You can’t test every single lot of every ingredient you buy. Both the time and cost would be prohibitive. So 100 percent oversight over ingredients is impossible.”

Considering Weiss’ statement, my birds will never receive any products from an industry that cannot concern themselves with properly testing the raw materials that are used for their offerings.

Just because it is on the shelf in your favorite pet store or in the catalog of an online vendor does not mean it is necessary for companion birds. Remember, the pet store, online vendors and the supplement/additive manufacturer are in business to sell product and make money, they are not necessarily good sources of medical advice. Just because they make and sell a product to the pet bird market, do they really know if that product is of a benefit to the birds?


I mentioned earlier that it was good that you asked about heated perches here. As Stewards/caretakers of our feathered friends we have to make the best decisions we can for our feathered friends, based on the best information we have at hand. In forums such as this, we often find new information about a topic we may not have found/known otherwise, like my above posting about an industry that holds costs above someone or something's safety.

Did you know that some automotive defects may go unpublicized because it is cheaper for the company to make individual repairs than to recall thousands of vehicles.....their theory is that while they will repair the defect, it is much cheaper for them than it is to recall all of the affected vehicles.....

Thanks for your post.....
 
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Good point weco! New question- should I get a uva/uvb full spectrum light? My little sun doesn't have one yet and I know a lot of people have those and it can improve mood and plumage. Also, if I get one, how long do you keep them on for each day? I've heard having them on all day can be bad but then others say it's good to have them on all day
 
Good point weco! New question- should I get a uva/uvb full spectrum light? My little sun doesn't have one yet and I know a lot of people have those and it can improve mood and plumage. Also, if I get one, how long do you keep them on for each day? I've heard having them on all day can be bad but then others say it's good to have them on all day

Better to get your bird out for short bursts during the week in my opinion :)
 
Good point weco! New question- should I get a uva/uvb full spectrum light? My little sun doesn't have one yet and I know a lot of people have those and it can improve mood and plumage. Also, if I get one, how long do you keep them on for each day? I've heard having them on all day can be bad but then others say it's good to have them on all day

The simple answer to your question, again, save your $$$ and splurge on a new doo for yourself.....

I have never bought one and don't use them because, while you initially may get a light output the manufacturer claims you can.....what you are getting is not really what you think you are getting for your $$$.....

In order to make a qualified decisions about 'full spectrum light,' you need to do some additional reading that does not come with the advertising the vendors & manufacturers would have you believe.

There have been a number of questions on the UVA - UVB - full spectrum topics over the past few months...you should be able to find everything posted on the forums on the topics, by doing an advanced search of the archives, but I'll get you started with these two links of a couple of posts I've made on the subject.....and to be fair, there are members here that disagree with my thoughts on this topic, but then we, as a society, are a bunch of advertising junkies.....anyway, here's the links:



http://www.parrotforums.com/general...l-spectrum-lighting-do-you-want-part-1-a.html

http://www.parrotforums.com/general...l-spectrum-lighting-do-you-want-part-2-a.html

And some of the other threads:

http://www.parrotforums.com/general-health-care/29150-uvb-lighting.html

http://www.parrotforums.com/general-health-care/28405-uvb-lighting.html

http://www.parrotforums.com/eclectus/30742-sunlight-vitamin-d.html

http://www.parrotforums.com/general-health-care/29819-full-spectrum-question.html


Don’t forget to stock up on some popcorn & thirst quenchers…..
 
haha thanks! I will have to read through all that later when I have more time!!

@Mayden- I would try to get him outside for short periods of time, but I live in Arizona and a typically summer day is anywhere from 110-125 degrees out! That can't be good for him!
 
But under the reviews section all the people are saying it was one of the best things they ever purchased for their bird and shortened the amount of sicknesses they had and that the birds loved them. Could it hurt?

YES IT COULD.


If these perches are as poorly made as heat rocks for lizards and the ilk, they can short circuit and electrocute the critter perching on it. Clean the perch a few times and there's a new 'shock' emanating from it... that is not healthy...

And proper environmental controls will trump cheap bling gimmicks every single time.

I'm not upset at you; I've tried some of those sorts of gadgets in the past when I raised reptiles... I've seen enough bird toys built by the same companies that make toys for dogs and cats and other pets. A sufficient generalization can be made: Just set up a proper environment - gadgets and gimmicks can be poorly made and could hurt or kill the animal one is trying to help.
 
Sorry for stealing off topic a little, I did read the full spectrum lightning and I am not really surprised. I have lizards (a small zoo of them), and I use UVB bulbs, now lizards do need them, but there's also a ton of them out there.. Zilla, repti-glo, and one more that i don't remember the name of is using a variation of the UVB (a different wavelength) than repti-sun and Mega ray does (two most popular UVB brands for lizards on the market), and the first group has been known to create eye issues on bearded dragon, it stresses them out so they won't eat, bask, anything. And HERE is where it gets interesting, this has been proven, and yet they sell them in pet stores.. An Iguana usually does ok on Zilla, meanwhile a beardie get completely sick with eye issues and often starve to death in pure stress.. Yet you will see reviews about people praising these up and down...

Heat rocks can't stand them either, so it is interesting for me to see that it's the same in the bird world. I learned a lot from this thread, and I am happy to hear Im not killing Jacob when blasting the AC I thought it was gonna be too cold to have the room on 70 degrees for him.. Glad that's not the case..

Thanks for a good thread!!
 
Sorry for stealing off topic a little, I did read the full spectrum lightning and I am not really surprised. I have lizards (a small zoo of them), and I use UVB bulbs, now lizards do need them, but there's also a ton of them out there.. Zilla, repti-glo, and one more that i don't remember the name of is using a variation of the UVB (a different wavelength) than repti-sun and Mega ray does (two most popular UVB brands for lizards on the market), and the first group has been known to create eye issues on bearded dragon, it stresses them out so they won't eat, bask, anything. And HERE is where it gets interesting, this has been proven, and yet they sell them in pet stores.. An Iguana usually does ok on Zilla, meanwhile a beardie get completely sick with eye issues and often starve to death in pure stress.. Yet you will see reviews about people praising these up and down...

Heat rocks can't stand them either, so it is interesting for me to see that it's the same in the bird world. I learned a lot from this thread, and I am happy to hear Im not killing Jacob when blasting the AC I thought it was gonna be too cold to have the room on 70 degrees for him.. Glad that's not the case..

Thanks for a good thread!!

Well, for jumping in, you garner a tidbit of info for yourself.....unless you already know about it ! ! !

Check out this website UV Guide UK - Ultraviolet Light for Reptiles - UVB reptile lighting on test it's owned by a retired British vet and like the lighting center at Polytechnic Institute, the premier lighting institute in North America, the UV Guide site does research for the reptile lighting industry, but has developed and published data that has caused several manufacturers to pull existing product from store shelves and totally replace product lines based on the UV Guide site's findings.....there's a lot of excellent data on that website.....
 
Ahh thank you, I never read that page, but a girl in the beardie forum has been doing research as well and I think that may be the people she worked with (can't swear on it though). Now if I could only get them to ban zilla products..
 

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