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Old 09-11-2019, 07:09 AM
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I have an import DYH Amazon baby around 12-13 weeks old. Name is Wilson (W). W is an hanfed incubator baby from day one. I do not know her sex. I have W about 3 weeks. When W came to me her weight is 320 g, 30-32 cm long and eat some pellets and 20 cc formula twice a day. W was already fledged and can fly when she came to me.
Now W is 335 g also and he eats half cup fruit and vegetable and some cooked beans and cooked whole grain pasta and wallnuts and some pellets. Also consume 10 cc formula at afternoon and 20 cc formula before sleep. Sometimes she do not want afternoon formula. Now W is fully flighted and love to fly and start to say her name. W is playful, eating, poooing, flying and sleeping well. Everything seems normal.
But her weight is under average weights of DYH Amazons that written on forums and websites or articles. I do not know her peak weight before fledging and start to fly. I am worrying about this weight issue. Is W is underweight or petite? Is W grow and gain weight more or stay at this weight and long?
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Re: Stunted or Petite?

Beautiful! I’m not an amazon expert so I won’t give any opinion but you’re in the right place for information!


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Re: Stunted or Petite?

Welcome to Parrot Forums and in addition the Amazon hangout...

Sadly, the photos you have provided are not of a Double-Yellow-Headed Amazon (Amazona ochracephala oratrix). In addition, your Amazon is likely a bit older than 12-13 weeks.

Amazons, as a family, fall under the guidelines of CITES regulations and depending on where in this huge World you live, you should have received a complete document set regarding the Species, its parents and their Species, the name and contact information of the breeder and any reseller(s) between you and the breeder. Those requirements have been in place for nearing two years in North America and nearing five years in Europe. The application of CITES varies in other parts of the World.

The good news is that your Young Amazon appears health and I would guess its weight to be about right.

Without additional information, I am guessing you may have a Yellow-Crowned Amazon, but I need to double check that as a few of the colors do not look correct..
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Re: Stunted or Petite?

Thanks for your replies. I am really sorry hear about Wilson is not a double yellow head. I will contact to seller and ask again about species. Are you sure it is not a double yellow oratrix? Wilson have some red on shoulders and some blueish under wings and some red on begining of tail.
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In this vide double yellow babies also have black nails. I can not send pm sorry.

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Re: Stunted or Petite?

Quote: Originally Posted by DYHWilson View Post
But her weight is under average weights of DYH Amazons that written on forums and websites or articles. I do not know her peak weight before fledging and start to fly. I am worrying about this weight issue. Is W is underweight or petite? Is W grow and gain weight more or stay at this weight and long?

Commonly, a specific classification of an Amazon's Species is not preformed until the Parrot is at least 12 to 18 months as Adult feather colorings are not starting to set into place until than, (completion of second molt). Species like DYH's and YN's commonly display 'near' Adult plumage at age 3 to 4 years with both Species obtaining full color as they near 10 years of age.

Weight with Amazons (and likely all other Parrots) will be heavier with those that fly as muscle is heavier than fat. With the exception of Certified Avian Vets (CAV), most none Avian Specialists will classify a Flier as over-weight if a physical chest examination is not first preformed. NOTE: It will be very important that when you visit your Avian Specialists in the next few weeks, that you assure that it is clearly noted in your Amazon's medical records that you are a proud owner of a Flier!!! All Vets underestimate the strength of an Amazon that Flies! We make it a point to state that with each visit!!! And it is very common for the three of us (CAV, AVT and I) to be involved in holding our Amazon.
Our DYH Amazon is on the slight side of the "Companion Parrot" weight scale as most Companion Parrots tend to be heavier than the wild home ranging and/or flighted Parrots. Captive DYH's can range from 450 to 750 grams as Adults.
Assure that you are obtaining your Amazon's weight first thing in the morning after the first moment and before food and water are provided. Assure that you are keep a log, noting the date, time and weight each time. Weight take at any other time, will not provide a measurable /chartable result.
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Re: Stunted or Petite?

Double sorry on that one! I had not checked your membership status when I PM'd you regarding my noting your Amazon's species. To send a PM, you will first need to sent it to a Super Moderator (found in Purple, see the visitor's list on your personal information page). Place their name in the Send to and request that they forward it.

Thank-you for providing the U-Tube of other baby DYH Amazons. Several points to note as part of that and other U-Tube of DYH Amazons:
- There can be black tips on the nails as there are black spots near the last half of the beak. But in all cases there is an equal to greater amount of white or pale (bone) color neatest the body /head.
Another quick check: Carefully open you Amazon's wing (with your Amazon on you hand, quickly drop you hand just fast enough that your Amazon opens its wings for balance). With a DYH, you will see a line of Red Feathers from the Bent of the Wing to the Body. You will also see Red and dark Purple (flash primary) Feathers on the Extended Wing.
- Very Happy to hear that you are seeing those colors!!!


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Re: Stunted or Petite?

Sorry, I'm multi tasking and that has me bounding back and forth to your Thread.

Lets start over!

- It would be helpful if you could provide a general region of the World as this would help in understanding your CITES status and the requirements of the breeders in your region. It will also help in understanding whether high-bred Parrots are more or less common in your area.
- Your defining of the Wing Feather Colors add greatly in defining your Amazon.
- The beak on your Amazon displays a limited amount of Clear /White /Bone Color both in the upper and lower segments. That is not common on a Yellow-Crowned Amazon and tend to only be common on DYH Amazons.
- When you are speaking with your breeder, request that they provide CITES documentation to assure Species Classification and your ownership should you wish to travel with your Amazon. Also, provide a copy of the document set to your Avian Specialist.

I see that your Parrot has a Leg Band on the left leg. Is the Band a solid of split-ring style and what are the numbers /letters on it.

It is my hope that you do have a DYH Amazon!
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All I know is that is a beautiful Parrot!
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Quote: Originally Posted by SailBoat View Post
Sorry, I'm multi tasking and that has me bounding back and forth to your Thread.

Lets start over!

- It would be helpful if you could provide a general region of the World as this would help in understanding your CITES status and the requirements of the breeders in your region. It will also help in understanding whether high-bred Parrots are more or less common in your area.
- Your defining of the Wing Feather Colors add greatly in defining your Amazon.
- The beak on your Amazon displays a limited amount of Clear /White /Bone Color both in the upper and lower segments. That is not common on a Yellow-Crowned Amazon and tend to only be common on DYH Amazons.
- When you are speaking with your breeder, request that they provide CITES documentation to assure Species Classification and your ownership should you wish to travel with your Amazon. Also, provide a copy of the document set to your Avian Specialist.

I see that your Parrot has a Leg Band on the left leg. Is the Band a solid of split-ring style and what are the numbers /letters on it.

It is my hope that you do have a DYH Amazon!
Parrot is import from Czech. I contacted seller we wait cites and photos of parents from breeder. I think baby not have a cites. But seller is sure about species he say double yellow head.
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