Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community

Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community (http://www.parrotforums.com/forums.php)
-   Conures (http://www.parrotforums.com/conures/)
-   -   Quick question on mating... (http://www.parrotforums.com/conures/80998-quick-question-mating.html)

MangosMama 06-15-2019 10:18 AM

Quick question on mating...
 
1 Attachment(s)
Hi! I am new to the site and have never posted on forum but am in need of an answer and hope to find it here.

I have a budgie, sun conure and double yellowhead. My budgie has mated with the sun conure about 8x this morning.
Is there any chance they were successful and will they (or can they) produce offspring?

Any assistance is appreciated!!

Thank you!!!

Rozalka 06-15-2019 10:23 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
No, there's no chance, if female will lay an egg, it is empty

Wysłane z mojego Redmi 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

MangosMama 06-15-2019 10:25 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Kind of sad though. They are sooooo in love!! :)

noodles123 06-15-2019 10:29 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
This indicates that there are a lot of hormones happening and hormones alone could still lead to increased behavioral problems (e.g., aggression, screaming, egg-laying, egg-binding [dangerous] and feather destructive issues, as well as heightened cage-aggression etc).
Egg-binding can happen when a bird produces an egg internally and cannot properly expel it. Egg-laying can happen in single-bird homes when a bird is sexually stimulated or hormonally triggered. No male bird is required for a female to lay eggs and egg-laying is fairly risky as it can also lead to additional complications, like prolapse.

Make sure you have no huts/tents/canopies/boxes/bedding/paper piles/ hollows/ low ledges etc inside or outside of their cages. Access to shadowy spaces can trigger nesting/hormonal/mating behavior, and you do not want that. Similarly, do not allow your birds to hang out under your clothing, in shelving units, under furniture, under pillows, under blankets etc. Anything cave-like is going to contribute to the problem (even if they appear to enjoy seeking out these sorts of dark spaces).

Also, when handling your birds, please ensure that you are only petting on the head and neck. Anything else is very sexual for them and should be avoided (in order to prevent increased hormonal activity).

IF YOUR FEMALE LAYS AN EGG (or, more likely, eggs)---leave it/them in the cage until she loses interest!! If you do not, you will trigger her drive to mate again and continue laying.

fuad 06-15-2019 10:29 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk

MangosMama 06-15-2019 10:39 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Oh. My. Gosh. I did NOT know about any of that!!!! Wow. I have a little hut, hammock like thing that only she gets in. Guessing this will need to be removed!! I can't thank you enough!! I worry about the possibility of her laying an egg and not being able to expel it!!
So petting under her wings is a no-no too? You just blessed me with a wealth of information!! Thank you so much!

noodles123 06-15-2019 10:43 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Oh, goodness lol! Yes, do remove the hammock ASAP and petting under the wing is a no-no (even though they love it, it is sexual to them).

I am glad I could help---Don't feel guilty about removing the huts etc. Many people get all hung up about it, but no healthy adult bird needs a bed.
Also, those tents/hammocks are notorious for causing intestinal blockages and entangling birds. They are quiet dangerous, so you will be much better off without them. :) :)
There is apparently a major lawsuit going on over them as we speak. The only reason they are sold is because people buy them, but they are bad news.

noodles123 06-15-2019 10:49 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rozalka (Post 816058)
No, there's no chance, if female will lay an egg, it is empty

Wysłane z mojego Redmi 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

EDIT- I stand corrected---I didn't notice that they were from separate families as well (As Rozalka pointed out). They could not reproduce (at least not any offspring that would survive). That having been said, your Amazon and Conure could (in VERY unlikely circumstances) produce a hybrid. It has happened anyway...

There are cross-species hybrids BUT they usually belong to the same genus (for instance, a cockatoos and cockatiels have reproduced), but I have read about extremely rare exceptions....It would be VERY unlikely..but in certain circumstances, it has happened (for instance, sun conures have reproduced with macaws).

Here is a published account of 2 birds from different species AND genera reproducing:

Handbook of avian hybrids of the world - Google Books:
Agapornis canus (Grey Headed Lovebird) x Melopsittacus undulatus (Budgerigar)Page reported a hybrid that survived to leave the nest. Prestwich quotes Dr. Karl Russ; "A very interesting hybrid breeding has succeeded in the bird-room of Baron von Grote. AS this gentleman informs us, a short time ago a hybrid between a Madagascar Lovebird and a hen Budgerigar left the nest. This bird has the shape and markings of a Budgerigar, but the head, neck, and about half the upper surface show the colouration of a young Madagascar Lovebird. It is very strong and healthy." Prestwich says Russ's description indicates that the hybrid was fully reared.

Rozalka 06-15-2019 11:49 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles123 (Post 816065)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rozalka (Post 816058)
No, there's no chance, if female will lay an egg, it is empty

Wysłane z mojego Redmi 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

ALSO---Although it is VERY unlikely, but IN THEORY, the eggs could be viable..Technically, they are both "new world" parrots. There are cross-species hybrids BUT they usually belong to the same genus (for instance, a cockatoos and cockatiels have reproduced), but I have read about extremely rare exceptions....It would be VERY unlikely..but in certain circumstances, it has happened (for instance, sun conures have reproduced with macaws).

Here is a published account of 2 birds from different species AND genera reproducing:

Handbook of avian hybrids of the world - Google Books:
Agapornis canus (Grey Headed Lovebird) x Melopsittacus undulatus (Budgerigar)Page reported a hybrid that survived to leave the nest. Prestwich quotes Dr. Karl Russ; "A very interesting hybrid breeding has succeeded in the bird-room of Baron von Grote. AS this gentleman informs us, a short time ago a hybrid between a Madagascar Lovebird and a hen Budgerigar left the nest. This bird has the shape and markings of a Budgerigar, but the head, neck, and about half the upper surface show the colouration of a young Madagascar Lovebird. It is very strong and healthy." Prestwich says Russ's description indicates that the hybrid was fully reared.

I know about hybrids between different genera but budgie and conure are from different famlies and hybrids like these are imposible. Only once time hathed a hybrid like this (cockatiel x ble winged parrot) but offfspring died the first day (If I am not wrong). In your example (budgie x lovebird) both birds are from the same family (Psittaculidae)

noodles123 06-15-2019 11:54 AM

Re: Quick question on mating...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rozalka (Post 816080)
Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles123 (Post 816065)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rozalka (Post 816058)
No, there's no chance, if female will lay an egg, it is empty

Wysłane z mojego Redmi 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

ALSO---Although it is VERY unlikely, but IN THEORY, the eggs could be viable..Technically, they are both "new world" parrots. There are cross-species hybrids BUT they usually belong to the same genus (for instance, a cockatoos and cockatiels have reproduced), but I have read about extremely rare exceptions....It would be VERY unlikely..but in certain circumstances, it has happened (for instance, sun conures have reproduced with macaws).

Here is a published account of 2 birds from different species AND genera reproducing:

Handbook of avian hybrids of the world - Google Books:
Agapornis canus (Grey Headed Lovebird) x Melopsittacus undulatus (Budgerigar)Page reported a hybrid that survived to leave the nest. Prestwich quotes Dr. Karl Russ; "A very interesting hybrid breeding has succeeded in the bird-room of Baron von Grote. AS this gentleman informs us, a short time ago a hybrid between a Madagascar Lovebird and a hen Budgerigar left the nest. This bird has the shape and markings of a Budgerigar, but the head, neck, and about half the upper surface show the colouration of a young Madagascar Lovebird. It is very strong and healthy." Prestwich says Russ's description indicates that the hybrid was fully reared.

I know about hybrids between different genera but budgie and conure are from different famlies and hybrids like these are imposible. Only once time hathed a hybrid like this (cockatiel x ble winged parrot) but offfspring died the first day (If I am not wrong). In your example (budgie x lovebird) both birds are from the same family (Psittaculidae)

Good point. That does make a big difference.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.