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Old 02-11-2015, 12:22 PM
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Re: Full Spectrum Lighting - Do You Want It part-1

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I think this article is also a good read, and to me it's showing that quality pellets aid significantly in preventing Vit D deficiency and thus calcium deficiency in parrots that do not receive a large amount of natural sunlight:

http://old.trustedpartner.com/docs/l...anford-web.pdf

But I'd like Walt's take on it too
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Old 02-11-2015, 11:24 PM
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Re: Full Spectrum Lighting - Do You Want It part-1

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I think this article is also a good read, and to me it's showing that quality pellets aid significantly in preventing Vit D deficiency and thus calcium deficiency in parrots that do not receive a large amount of natural sunlight:

http://old.trustedpartner.com/docs/l...anford-web.pdf

But I'd like Walt's take on it too
OK, Chantal, what would you like to know, regarding that article? I can say that the article's author, Michael Sanford, is 'The' go to avian vet regarding anything calcium and companion birds.....he's a UK vet who does quite a bit of research. Back in 2009, when I was verifying some of the information in my own database, I had occasion to discuss a 'tiel breeder's claim & that of her vet that hypercalcification was the cause for loss of her breeding cockatiels, with Michael.

It turned out that over the counter supplements (not cuttlefish bone) were the cause of the 'tiels dying.....if you feed too much normal (naturally produced) calcium, the excess will simply be excreted in urine and droppings, however that's not the case with synthetic supplements.

Although you are right about that article being an interesting read, the two groups that were investigated were two groups of 20 African greys that were recently captured in the wild and a group of 28 pionus parrots, however, the only pelleted foods discussed were Harrison’s High Potency Course Pellet and Avimix; Vetark Products...no specification, but I think you may have misread something in the article to come to your conclusion, because it stated: There were no significant differences between the concentrations of the four variables in the groups fed the different diets after they had been exposed to UVB for 12 months (that UVB exposure was natural sunlight, not fluorescent lighting). The discussion concerning synthetic lighting was more negative than any bird light proponent would find helpful.....

Like Michael stated, more in-depth studies are needed.....
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:50 AM
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I guess it was this result specifically:

"Table 4 shows the results of measurements of ionised calcium and 25-hydroxycholecalciferol in 10 parrots that had been exposed to full sunlight and 18 that had not. There were no significant differences between the two groups . . . These results suggest that this South American family may not be as dependent on UV radiation for vitamin D3 metabolism as grey parrots."
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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

Sorry Chantal, just saw your last post RE: Table 4.....

Go back and read, beginning at the 2nd to the last sentence immediately above table 4 & continue into the next paragraph.....Michael's commentary is based on the studies mentioned, however, I've not seen any followup study information that would prove the theories, but I look at his commentary about the fortified pellets as that fortification is like the vitamin D fortification that many human foods get, so yes, I think that fortified pellets are like the fortified human foods and might be able to temporarily provide the Vitamin D3 activation, lacking regular sunlight.....

Hope this answers your question/concerns.....
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Old 04-09-2015, 10:13 AM
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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

Hi does anyone have a link to a full spectrum bulb that will go into a ceiling fixture, for above my bf amazons cage. It would be about 3 feet above his play top cage (where he hangs out), and about 5.5 feet down the hall. I found this one on Ebay, but dont know if its ok or not. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-SPECTRU...item3cd3564e6a
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Old 04-09-2015, 10:31 AM
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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

Bottom line, and I have said it for years, they need to get outside when possible, and they need natural sunlight if not for their physical health, for their mental well being.

Fancy light bulb systems may provide some of this in the times when weather does not permit them to go outside, BUT it doesn't substitute for being outside in the sunshine...

They were never meant to sit inside in cages for indefinite periods of time.

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Old 04-11-2015, 08:47 AM
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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

My parrot has a cage outdoors on the deck, but there are plenty of days where he does not get out there due to a variety of reasons such as weather, schedule, excessive heat,cutting grass, etc, etc., so why not when indoors have the correct light around the bird? And if there is going to be light around my birds cage, why not make it the right full spectrum light? Just my opinion. Does anyone have a link to a good full spectrum light? Thank you.

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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

There was a study several years back ( late 90's early 2000's I think) by U of M university on study of Ultra violet light on birds and the behavior behind it.

Birds can see ultra violet rays of light, without a daily dose of natural sunlight, the birds especially parrots will lose the ability to see in color.
The ultra violet spectrum allows more clarity in their distinguishing objects.

Lack of sunlight plays a big role in their behavior and moods, and may contribute to unusual biting episodes.

The article was posted on Science Daily from the University of Michigan. I'll try and hunt it down.

Bottom line the artificial ultra violet or so called full spectrum lighting that many manufacturers "claim" their lighting can give off, is very misleading and has been proven in a research study to NOT actually give off the BENEFICIAL spectrum required. So many people spend a lot of money on needless lighting that really is not doing a darn thing, the perception of it appears to look like your getting better lighting when in reality your only getting a fraction and usually not worth the money.

30 minutes a day in sun light ( where they can also get shade) is highly recommended for birds. You'll have healthy and happy birds. Yes the sunlight plays a huge roll in their health.
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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

For those of us relying on low-tech (i.e., natural) light solutions...
I hope this is an okay place to ask...

How do you low-tech folks (like me) regulate the number of hours your birds receive daily?
For 30 years, I have always just gone by the number of hours of natural daylight. I don't think much about it... when the sun comes up, the Rickeybird's TV comes on and his cage cover is pulled back and he gets his morning water change and foods and the day begins. At sundown, his day is over. He has his own room with a big wall of windows (which can be opened 3 seasons a year), so this works out. His moults seem healthy and regular to me... full moult (including flight feathers, tail) in late summer, just body/head feathers around December.
His food is Harrison's plus a good assortment of fresh produce, grains, and some seeds.
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Re: Lighting Information For Birds

My Macaw's light comes on at 7 am goes off at 7 pm

I leave at 6 am and home at 5:30 so he spends a good amount of time in cage during the week .

BB is not harness trained so no going outside. I am working on it . Just not there yet. I did pick up a used cage for him so hope he will be going outside soon.
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