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Old 10-26-2014, 11:55 AM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

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Old 10-26-2014, 11:56 AM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
My primary concern is still infection. Did the emergency AV put her on preventative antibiotics? When my moms DYH broke her foot, it took less than a day for infection to set in the break while waiting on the vet appointment and the infection was far more dangerous than the broken foot. A parrot can adapt to a physical disability (not that they should have to), but you really need to be extra diligent about watching for signs of infection. !
Hey Kiwibird, thanks for the story and post. I'm a little worried now. So actually she is NOT on antibiotics... Vet #2 explained that he thinks it would be overkill since there's no broken skin. They are still open today but he is the only avian doc there. Should I insist? Upcoming Vet 3 on Tuesday ONLY does birds so hence going for the second opinion but that's tuesday and a long way away... There is another avian only vet I might be able to call Monday but... Eek.

Anyway thanks for the heads up, sincerely. I hope your DYH is okay now...?
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:16 PM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

Here's my 2 cents. The way I'm reading Makana's initial post is that the leg was broken and the vet injected a pain medicine, splinted the leg, gave anti-inflammatory meds for home and she's waiting to see another vet to ask between the splint versus a cast?

I would think that regardless of how the vet broke the leg, he would hopefully splint her properly so that the leg is aligned and immobilized. From what I read in the second post of Makana's it seems like she is indeed pretty immobilized as she barely can hold her body straight.

With a break, the foot will be swollen and bruised. The anti-inflammatory medicine is good. My Avian Vet would have given me some Metacam for pain to use at home for a few days, antibiotics not necessarily. I'm not a vet but the pain med he injected might stay in the system for a couple days and some anti-inflammatory meds also control pain (like Motrin for humans).

I really don't see an emergency here. She will be seen on tuesday, and unless the new Avian Vet or the owner of Makana has reason to think that the splint is either too tight or not done properly to keep the leg straight, I doubt that he will remove it. The splint should be maintained by cotton then vet wrap and form a pretty large bandage which is a pain to remove for one, and can do more damage than good to remove it and move the leg before it is healed. Which would be painful on the bird.

If you don't think the vet splint the leg properly, then I agree that you need to see the vet ASAP to rectify it before it sets. But otherwise, I doubt that the new vet would remove it to cast it instead.

You do need to get a small aquarium like a 10 gallon, put thick soft bedding like couple of towels at the bottom covered with paper towels then a perch that touches the towels, just so that your bird can perch with the good leg and keep the splint one from touching the floor. That will help her stay upright and comfortable. Make sure that the perch is long enough as to be immobilized so as not to roll. You want it as long as the width of the tank.

Put water and food next to perch, millet for comfort food, couple of toys. Hope this helps.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:25 PM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

AS I typed my post, lots have posted! Well, a clean break so close to the foot would indeed seem to be best to splint. Again I'm not a vet but have seen my share of injuries. As hard as it is to see your bird so helpless, only time will heal.

You can ask about Metacam for pain, call the vet I'm sure you could pick some up at the office but like I said, the anti-inflammatories might already manage the pain. You need to ask that. I also know that unless obvious signs that the bird is in tremendous pain, they don't want her to not feel anything and start moving around too much. If she is eating, it is a good sign that she is managing pretty well.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:33 PM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

Quote: Originally Posted by Anansi View Post
That said, I share April's (Kiwibird's) concern regarding the lack of preventative antibiotics prescribed for your bird. (Unless I'm also misunderstanding there, as well? I only read that she was given anti-inflamatories.) Regardless of how much the anti-inflamatory meds are helping her, infection is still a possibility.
Hey Anansi, thanks a lot for the post and teaching me multiple replies. I totally understand how fragile their little systems can be, so I understand everyone being concerned. I definitely appreciate that everyone's so vigilant - Was just a bit in shock, haha.

So you're right - She was only given anti-inflamatory, not antibiotic. I'm a little worried now too but if I go back to Vet 2 and insist, I'm not sure he'll give them since he did tell me a logical reason why he's not going to prescribe them. That said, would you know the signs of infection that I could/should watch out for? And that way if I go back I can tell him why I'm asking for antibiotics? Thanks again!

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Here's my 2 cents.
Echo, much appreciated for the concise and helpful post. It's definitely nice to have a contrasting (and calming) opinion and tips on the aquarium tank. Makana REALLY loves her cages (sorry, that's overkill I know but one's an outdoor travel one that I lowered everything inside and one's a much larger indoor one) and even though being on them is not good right now and I've lowered everything in them to the ground, she wants desperately to climb them and sit on them... and she does if I leave her to it. So, will do the aquarium tank to mitigate her insane climbing habits, and hide her fave cages. Thanks again
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:39 PM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

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Hey Kiwibird, thanks for the story and post. I'm a little worried now. So actually she is NOT on antibiotics... Vet #2 explained that he thinks it would be overkill since there's no broken skin. They are still open today but he is the only avian doc there. Should I insist? Upcoming Vet 3 on Tuesday ONLY does birds so hence going for the second opinion but that's tuesday and a long way away... There is another avian only vet I might be able to call Monday but... Eek.

Anyway thanks for the heads up, sincerely. I hope your DYH is okay now...?
I would call and ask what signs to watch for, but if it were my bird, I probably would would push for them. Typically bird with infections are lethargic, sit low, fluffed feathers, droopy eyes but obviously your bird is injured and likely displaying these very same symptoms due to the stress and injury. It will be much harder to tell if she's acting "sick" because of the broken leg or because she has developed an infection. And there doesn't need to be broken skin. Lucy had no broken skin but the vet did find infection. This was well over a decade ago now. She healed up fine with no lasting effects and is quite happy and healthy!
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:51 PM
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

Quick update, and a general thank you to all: I was losing my mind getting nothing but voicemails this weekend and doing dozens and dozens of forum and Google searches. Having you all post advice and opinions kept me sane! Going to keep a log going on this thread in case someone else comes through with a similar problem someday, and will try to upload pictures to my album later as well.

Day 3 Bad:
  • There were no avian vets on call within 50 miles on Sunday. Unable to procure antibiotics. Can't get an appointment with an avian vet today either. Unreal.
  • Despite being a champ, her appetite has decreased this morning and she's less active than normal - Won't touch her pellets, shells what seeds we give her but I'm not seeing her eat the insides like she normally does. I did get her to eat some walnut (she loves walnut) and a half of a grape. Not the most nutritious but I just want some calories in her.

Day 3 Good:
  • We have an appointment in two hours with a generalist vet who works at the same place her regular avian vet does. The goal is to get antibiotics going and get as many answers as possible.
  • Aquarium hospital cage is set up and she's taken to it like a fish to water - Her new nickname is "parrotfish". We also built a very low suction cup PVC perch based off of some shower perch ideas we found on Parrot Forums; now she has something when she's craving some height that we can easily remove and reposition as she needs.
  • She's less active today, but I'm hoping that it's expected/boredom/the stress of the weekend subsides and we can pique her appetite with some millet and more fresh fruit.
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

Just go to his office with your bird. And wait. Tell them you're going to wait. Don't take no for an answer. A broken leg can easily turn into blood clots, infections, or a lost limb.
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Re: It's a broken leg! D: Advice? Anecdotes?

Any news from the visit?
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Old 11-04-2014, 09:56 AM
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Just wondering how everything turned out with Makana.
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