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Old 12-22-2015, 04:16 PM
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Re: Bird Bites ALWAYS

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You are teaching him to bite! Search MonicaMC! I was where you are at!
Everytime he bites me I ignore it then walk away, that's what you're supposed to do isn't it?
NO! The bird needs immediate feedback from you when he is using too much bite pressure. "Ignore the bites" is stupid advice. Do that, and the bird doesn't know/thinks it's okay to bite you.

What?! This never bothered you before.

REACT IMMEDIATELY. What you don't do, is SHOW FEAR when a bird bites. That is entirely different from "not reacting."
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Old 12-22-2015, 06:54 PM
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Re: Bird Bites ALWAYS

Agreed. I think somewhere along the line, people swapped "remain calm" for "don't react".

You see, a dramatic reaction is bad. A raised voice or a shriek will potentially encourage your bird to bite. Keep in mind that a bird's method of communication differs largely from our own. "Ow!" in a raised voice is a no-brainer for us, but is not necessarily recognizable as a bad thing in the avian world. You have to put aside all assumptions that your bird will understand things in the same way we do.

So if you were to scream or shout when bitten, your bird might find it amusing or curious. Either way, he'll want to employ the scientific method to test his hypothesis: bite=funny sound. From this, everyone figured, "Ah! So we shouldn't react!"

Wrong.

Watch any nature show, ever. When was the last time you saw any bird just stoically take an abusive behavior? Exactly never.

No, what you do is remove the beak from your flesh while saying, "No," in a firm, yet even, tone. And then you immediately put your bird on timeout and ignore him COMPLETELY for the next few minutes. And I mean completely. Back turned. No eye contact.

After maybe 10 or so minutes, you approach him again. At the first sign of aggression, right back on timeout. But the instant his behavior becomes more peaceful make sure to reward right away with a treat. If you're consistent with this, he'll begin to associate biting with being ignored and alone... and good behavior with treats and positive social interaction. (This is where your point about parrots being social creatures comes into play.)

Make sure to check out those links that Wendy provided. There's good stuff in there.
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Re: Bird Bites ALWAYS

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Agreed. I think somewhere along the line, people swapped "remain calm" for "don't react".
Ok, thank you and everyone else for the explanations. Hopefully Weiland will let me put my hand in the cage sometime this month haha! Anyway I'll try all that, thanks guys!
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Old 12-25-2015, 01:37 PM
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Re: Bird Bites ALWAYS

The struggle against biting is not limited to "new" birds; well established relationships need tune-ups as well.

I am going through a terrible regression with my 21 year-old Goffin, Gabby. He was born in my home, hand raised, and has known no other environment. For all of his life he has been the sweetest and generally most gentle bird, but the last 4 months or so have been hell. While many of my parrots have been a bit out of sorts behaviorally, he has truly shocked me with his aggression. I know some of it is transferred from a deep dislike of one of his brothers - they are like matter and anti-matter when together. They live in the same room and are carefully rotated in/out of cages for equal time. The best solution is to house Gabby in a different room, but that is not feasible for now due to chronic plumbing issues in my home resulting in pinhole leaks causing extensive damage. Currently I have two rooms partially torn apart down to the wooden shell for drying and repair. But that's for another thread.....

Gabby has been Jekyl/Hyde. Some moments he is his old self; gentle, cuddly, and affectionate. At times he can bite perhaps at a 7/10 of his capacity. He is immediately scolded and placed in cage for a time out. Sometimes he emerges the first time completely normalized, otherwise it is rinse and repeat. But this is a battle I will win as he is a deeply special friend!
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