Help! about mutation

[bartRN]

Newbie here... Please help me identify the mutation of my lovebirds..thanks

 

[lotosha]

Sorry, I know nothing on this subject, but welcome to the forum.

 

[bartRN]

Thanks for welcoming me lotosha...i'll just wait then for experts to identify my lovies mutation...by the way can you share any tips in caring for lovebirds...

 

[JadeB]

Pretty birds! I think the one on the left in the pic with two birds could be a dutch blue/violet. Same color as my Rita.

Are they all peach-face mutations? Try googling "lutino," "dutch blue," "creamino," "pied," see if any match, lol!

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[Luke252]

The first two you have there are mutations of the Whitefaced Blue Lovebird. In the second image, from left to right respectively, Whitefaced Blue, Orange-faced Lutino or Fallow (Perhaps also a cross with American or Australian Cinnamon), Orange-faced norm and I am not sure about the last one, sorry. Hope that helps.

 

[MikeyTN]

That one Luke listed as Orange-faced normal is Peachface! You would think the Orange face was supposed to be called Peaceface, but they're not. I had them both at one time when I used to raise them. Too many mutations, I quit keeping up with them long ago....

 

[Luke252]

That one Luke listed as Orange-faced normal is Peachface! You would think the Orange face was supposed to be called Peaceface, but they're not. I had them both at one time when I used to raise them. Too many mutations, I quit keeping up with them long ago....

Whoops, when I was looking at it at first peachface instantly popped into my head, but I was thinking of how he also had a Orange-faced Lutino there and pehaps they came from the same clutch. But everyone makes mistakes, Lovebirds aren't my speciality, sorry.

 

[DallyTsuka]

first two are whiteface pieds.

second photo in order from left to right: whiteface, orange face opaline fallow, normal wild green, and double dark factor orange face.


they're ALL gorgeous!

 

[MarciaLove]

two in first pic are White Faced Blue Pieds then in second pic from left to right is a Seagreen (i think does he have a peach band on forehead if so it is a Seagreen if not its a White Faced Blue), Orange Faced Opaline Lutino/fallow, normal Peachface, the last looks like an orange faced olive maybe Im not positive.. and welcome

 

[DallyTsuka]

two in first pic are White Faced Blue Pieds then in second pic from left to right is a White Faced Seagreen (i think does he have a peach band on forehead if so it is a Seagreen if not its a White Faced Blue), Orange Faced Opaline Lutino/fallow, normal Peachface, the last looks like an orange faced olive maybe Im not positive.. and welcome

there is no whiteface seagreen, they are two separate mutations. whiteface can have a pale apricot coloured band on the face or be pure white, it depends on how well the bird has been bred. seagreen is a cross between dutch blue and whiteface. seagreen birds are defined by a two-toned beak, the upper part of the beak near the base will be a pinkish orange and the end will be orange-yellow. a seagreen bird has one whiteface gene and one dutch blue gene. a whiteface bird has two whiteface genes. a dutch blue has two dutch blue genes. they are 3 separate mutations, there is no mixing them together.


you can see the two-toned beak here, as my two are seagreens. this is a seagreen pied

 

[MarciaLove]

yea sorry I do know seagreen is different form whitefaced i was gonna say white faced blue but took a closer look and no i think its a seareen i mean to delete the whteface part but missed it apparently.

 

[Luke252]

Wow so many different mutations. Sometimes it becomes impossible to tell when multiple mutations have been mixed down the genetic line. Personally I think naming different mutations are pointless, but unfortunately, its something you gotta do in my business.

So simply to recap for you, it looks like the majority is, that the first two are Whitefaced Blue Pieds.

In your second image you have from left to right, Whitefaced, Orange faced Lutino / Fallow, Peachface norm and finally an Orange face either olive or double dark factor.

Pretty happy with myself, got most of them right in my first comment, just disappointed that I double thought the Peachface norm to be an Orange Faced norm. Mutations are difficult to learn, got budgies, Kakarikis, Grass Parrots and Bourkes down pat. Just need some going over on my Lovebird and Cockatiel mutations.

 

[bartRN]

Thank you to all..here are their close up pics with Lucy having 2 eggs already... What do you think would be the babies mutation of Lucy( orange face olive or double dark factor) and Natsu (peach face normal)?

 

[DallyTsuka]

they should all be whiteface or whiteface pieds. pied is dominant and whiteface is recessive as far as i can remember. i'll go check my lovebird genetics book and edit this to add/fix anything EDIT: yes, this is correct. meaning all the babies should be whiteface pied like the parents are.

they are very cute pieds are my absolute favourite PF lovebird mutation

 

[bartRN]

Here are the other pics..

 

[DallyTsuka]

ahh sorry i got the pairs mixed. all the babies from the whiteface pied pair will be whiteface pieds.


the olive orange face with the normal should give you normal split orange faced babies.


opaline is sex linked, so if the opaline is male, you will get female opaline babies. however, if your opaline is a female, you will only get split opaline male babies, but no visuals. your opaline IS fallow, not lutino, and i am not too sure on inheritance of its genes... i'd like to say recessive. so if paired with the whiteface bird, then you will likely get normal greens unless the opaline is split for whiteface or another parblue mutation. if the whiteface is split fallow, then you might get some fallow babies. however, if the whiteface is split opaline, then you can get visual opalines of both genders.


genetics are confusing and tedious, and i know cockatiel genetics better than lovebirds, but i am learning and know some basics at least.

 

[JadeB]

Whatever they are, they're all so pretty! Where did you find so many neat mutations?

 

[bartRN]

Thanks JadeB..they are really cute, cudly and sweet....I just bought them in pet shop last january this year..the 2 white faced blue pied, I just bought them last August 15.. I've seen them in a small cage where they can't fly and I pity them that's why without hesitation I bought them. Right now, their on the same cage with my opaline fallow and white faced seagreen and they seem in good terms

 

[bartRN]

Whatever they are, they're all so pretty! Where did you find so many neat mutations?

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