Help wih 2 Baby Alexandrines

[Fayaaz]

Hi have 2 new baby alexandrine I don't know their age.. How much should I feed them.. I don't know that whether I am feeding them too much.. I am feeding 30-40 ml thrice a day.. That ll full their Corp.. From the beginning they re urinating. With feces some times I can see urates.. Pls help me..

 

[ChristaNL]

Re: Help with alexandrine

read this:
http://www.parrotforums.com/breeding-raising-parrots/74363-so-you-bought-unweaned-baby.html

while we are waiting for more reaction from experts (I have experience, but it dates form the previous century- you deserve more up-to-date info!)

In the meantime if you could show us some pictures of your birds that would be great (use Imgur if the forum gives you troubles)-- it is easier to give you an estimate about their age, apart from "are they naked"? "do they have flight feathers already" etc.etc.

 

[SailBoat]

Please read the attached Link that Christa has provided you. With hope our Baby experts will be along shorty.
I am guessing that your babies are begging for more food. To that point, you likely need to add more feeding moving to something like six per day depending on their age.

 

[EllenD]

It's hard to tell you much without knowing their ages, can you please post photos of both of them? Different age baby birds have different food and temperature requirements...Also, what is it that you're feeding them? And do they have all of their feathers in yet, or do they still have down and pin feathers showing? Because if they don't have all of their feathers yet then they also need to be kept at a temperature range around 80-85 degrees F or they can develop a horrible Yeast infection in their Crops and stomach...Just as what you are feeding them, hopefully baby bird formula, needs to always be between 104 degrees F at the coolest and 110 degrees F at the warmest, or this will also cause them to develop Fungal infections, and this is what usually ends-up killing unweaned baby parrots. So you'll definitely need a cooking/candy thermometer or some other way of measuring the temperature of the formula...

In-general you need to feed them until their Crops are nice and round, and until they feel like a balloon that is full but still has some give to it, it should not feel tight...Their crops also need to be almost empty in between feedings, so you should never feed them again until you see that their crops are just about empty, with only a little amount of formula in them...Their crops should empty completely overnight...If they aren't emptying properly, that's the first sign that your formula and/or the ambient temperature they are being kept in is too low...

We can give you more exact info when we can see your birds and know their ages...Are they active and vocal, playing, moving, etc.? Any vomiting or regurgitating?

 

[Fayaaz]

Thanks a lot guys.. I ve attached my babies picture..

 

[Fayaaz]

Should I feed them that hot..

 

[ChristaNL]

Okay-I estemate they are at the age they should be able to feed themselves for a bit as well.
Do they have acces to soft & hard food all day?
(just during the day- since soft foods are wettish; fruit, but also soaked/softened pellets etc.. Do not let it be out there more than a few hours, give fresh regularly / that all depends on your temperature: food spoils fater in heat and is okay for longer when it is cold, so sometimes an hour and a half is the maximum before it needs replacing.)


Babybirds (the naked chicks) get their (predigested) food directly from the insides of the parentbird, and birds have a high bodytemperature (compared to us humans anyway) - so if you feed them cold foods -> their bodytemperature drops and they get problems with digesting it.
The older young (bigger bodies, more feathers) can compensate better, so the food can be a bit colder.

Yours are pretty big (well done btw!) and probably already eating a bit on their own (or should start doing that very soon).

 

[EllenD]

Okay, so they are old enough and feathered enough to not need to have any additional external heat source, and they should be starting to wean onto solid-food at this point like Christa said...

To answer your question, YES, you absolutely MUST feed them their formula between the temperatures of 104 degrees F at the coolest, and 110 degrees F at the hottest...If you feed them formula that is not at least 104 degrees F it will cause Yeast to grow in their Crops and throughout their GI Tracts, and this will cause "Crop Stasis", which means their Crops will stop emptying, and this will eventually kill them. This is the #1 reason by-far that baby parrots die while being hand-fed by someone with little to no experience, because they don't use a digital cooking or candy thermometer that has a metal-probe that you put in the formula and keep it there while you're feeding them, and re-heat the formula as needed if the temperature falls below 104 degrees F...And any hotter than 110 degrees F can cause burns to their Crops...

***Most people who have never hand-fed a baby bird before simply mix-up the formula with warm/hot water coming out of the tap, and the average temperature of that is in the 70-80 degree F range, so WAY TOO COLD...This is why the often become sick and die before weaning...So you really need to measure the temperature of the formula every time you feed them...Also, they usually don't eat their formula with much excitement or feeding-response if it's not at least over 100 degrees F anyway...

***WHAT ARE YOU CURRENTLY FEEDING THEM AS FORMULA??? This is extremely important as well, because if it's not a commercial hand-feeding formula for baby birds, but rather something like homemade formula made from crushed-up grains, seeds, etc., they haven't been getting the nutrition they need and they can have severe health and metabolic issues, as well as issues weaning onto the solid food...And if you feed them some type of human baby formula or cereal you can kill them quickly because they are loaded with added Iron, because human babies need lots and lots of Iron; however, birds cannot handle much Iron at all in their diets, and if they eat too much of it they develop something called "Iron Storage Syndrome", which is fatal. Human baby cereals such as Cerelac, Simulac, etc. are often used as hand-feeding formula for baby birds in certain countries, and often the babies die and the owners either don't understand why, or they just figure that the baby had something wrong with it like a disease or infection, when in-reality they are dying due to the incredibly high Iron content in these human baby cereals and formulas...

As far as how hand-feeding them, based on their ages I'd say they should be getting between 3-4 hand-feedings a day with the hand-feeding formula, but they also need to be living in their first Weaning/Starter Cage, and whatever staple food you are planning on weaning them onto, either an Avian Pellet or an Avian seed-mix needs to always be in their Weaning-Cage at all times. I don't know if they've already started to eat any solid foods yet or not, but at this point they always need to have their pellets or their seed-mix inside of their Weaning-Cage at all times...You should also be offering them fresh Veggies and dark, leafy Greens every single day at this point as well, because if you don't introduce them now they won't eat them in the future. Same thing with fresh Fruit, you should be offering them a bowl of chopped-up fresh Veggies, dark leafy Greens, and a tiny bit of fresh Fruit (lots of sugar, so not too much) every single day, once a day, while they have a bowl of either pellets or seed-mix all day long, every day...

****It's extremely important that you "Abundance-Wean" them, which means that you allow them to fully decide when the amount of formula they are eating in each hand-feeding is reduced, and you allow them to fully decide when an entire hand-feeding each day is eliminated...You never want to make those decisions for them, as this is called 'Force-Weaning" them, and it will result in severe neurological and behavioral issues for the rest of their lives. So I'd be offering them between 3-4 hand-feedings of formula every single day, once first thing in the morning when their crops should be completely empty. After they have their first hand-feeding of the day first thing in the morning, then you should put a bowl of pellets or seed-mix inside of their Weaning-Cage, along with a bowl of water.

The second hand-feeding of formula should be around noon, but you need to always check both of their Crops BEFORE each time you offer them a hand-feeding, and their Crops should be almost empty before you offer them their next hand-feeding of formula. They will eat the most formula during their first hand-feeding of the day first thing in the morning, and then once you put the pellets or seeds and water into their Weaning-Cage after their first hand-feeding of the day, they will start to pick at the pellets/seed-mix. So keep checking their Crops, and they should be almost empty right around noontime, or about 4 hours after their first hand-feeding of the morning (their Crops don't have to be completely empty in-between their daytime hand-feedings, but almost empty. The only time their Crops will be completely empty before you offer them a hand-feeding is going to be first thing in the morning, because they've gone overnight without eating)...

After they have their second hand-feeding of formula around noon or 1:00 p.m., which they may or may not eat a bit less formula than they ate during their first morning feeding, then make sure they still have pellets or seed-mix in their Weaning-Cage...The third hand-feeding of formula you're going to offer them should be around 4-5 in the late afternoon, making sure their Crops are almost empty. They will probably eat a bit less in this feeding than they did in the other two previous hand-feedings...After they have their third hand-feeding of formula, that's when I would put in a bowl of fresh Veggies and dark, leafy Greens for them to have in addition to their pellets or seed-mix....

Their last hand-feeding of the day is going to be around 8-9 at night, right before they go to sleep...This hand-feeding will be the very last of the day, and they will eat the least amount of formula during this hand-feeding. Then they go to bed...

***The amount of formula you're going to feed them during each feeding is going to be determined entirely by them at this point, as they are old enough and large enough that they are most-likely not going to gorge themselves and over-eat on formula. So they will more than likely let you know when they're done with a hand-feeding, as their feeding-responses will stop when they're full, and they will reject the syringe and stop opening their beaks up for it...You still need to always check the size of their Crops while you're doing a hand-feeding, so that you're sure that you're not over-feeding them...Again, the size of their Crops after a hand-feeding should be like a balloon that has some give to it when you gently use your finger to feel how full it is. Their Crops should never be tight or have no give to them at all...At their age they should stop eating at an appropriate time, but you still need to always check, and if their Crops are very huge and tight to the touch with no give to them, then you need to stop them from eating any more formula, but that shouldn't happen often at their ages...

They are quickly going to choose to eliminate a hand-feeding, but you need to not only allow them to make that decision, but you need to keep in-mind that they may not both Wean at the same pace or the same time, and even though one of them rejects a hand-feeding, the other may still need it. The first hand-feeding that they will eliminate will probably be the one at either noon-1:00, or the one at 4-5 in the afternoon. You'll know they are eliminating a hand-feeding because not only will they reject the syringe when you give it to them by turning their heads away, not opening their beak, not having any feeding response, etc., but also because they will noticeably eating more and more of their pellets or seed-mix, and their Crops will be too full to eat a hand-feeding anyway. But again, you have to let THEM decide to eliminate a hand-feeding...

Usually what happens is they will eliminate the 2 hand-feedings during the daytime, the ones at noon-1:00 and at 4-5. They'll continue to want their first hand-feeding of each day first thing in the morning for quite a while, and then they'll eat more and more pellets/seed-mix and Veggies/Greens during the day, and then they will typically want their last hand-feeding right before bedtime around 8-9 at night, but they won't eat much during this last hand-feeding of the day...This is more or less just them psychologically wanting to be fed before they go to sleep, and it will be the very last hand-feeding that they will eliminate...

So eventually they will stop wanting their first hand-feeding of the day and will just start eating their pellets/seed-mix first thing in the morning. At that point the only hand-feeding of formula they will want will be the small one right before bed around 8-9 at night, and they typically will actually cry and whine for it...This is called a "Comfort Feeding", and it continues after they are basically fully-weaned and eating only solid food. They just want the "Comfort Feeding" before bed as a psychological thing, and they won't eat much. At the point when they stop whining at night before bed for a Comfort-Feeding, you should still offer it to them, and at the point where they stop whining and crying for it and you still offer it to them and they totally reject it, and the do this for a good few days to a week without eating any formula at all, even right before bed, that's when they are fully-weaned...

 

[Fayaaz]

Thanks for your valuable response.. I don't use human babies formula.. I give grains ND seeds mix.. Boiling until it desires.. The one perching on the chair started with green chilli ND green leaves bean, sunflower seeds but not eating well.. ND too avoiding hand feeding formula if take syringe near him rushing to dark place, urinating if give the formula liquid state. This one bigger compare to the floor one but weight 30 grams lesser than the floor one.... The other one sitting on the floor is avoiding syringe but if I feed by my hand it will eat, didn't even know climb.. Today only she learned to perch.. Both are active.. If feed them 40 ml only see their Crop like balloon... Is that okay for them.. I feed them only when they get empty crop... Thanks once again for all...

 

[EllenD]

If they are both running from you and scared of the syringe, then that may mean they are already weaned...Are they eating solid foods every day, all day? If they are both already eating seed-mix all day long, and they are both refusing the formula, then they are probably already weaned...You aren't forcing the formula into their beaks are you? You should NEVER force formula into them, you can kill them that way, because if they don't willing take the formula or anything else, it will end-up in their lungs and not in their Crop...So if they refuse the syringe feedings and are running from you and hiding, then you need to stop with the hand-feedings, because that's not good...

I'm very concerned about them being very malnourished due to what you were feeding them. If you were only feeding them a formula of boiled grains, then they did not get the protein, vitamins, minerals, etc. that they need to develop and grow properly, or to develop immune systems...So they are much better off eating a solid, commercially sold Parrot seed-mix that you buy in a store or online if they are willing to do so and you can stop the hand-feedings, because they both need the nutrition from the commercial seed-mix you buy in a store to replace what they didn't get while weaning.

Also, if you keep chasing them around and forcing a syringe-feeding into them, you are going to end-up with two very scared and non-tame parrots. They are going to not want to be handled at all if you keep doing that...So as long as they are both eating solid food every day, all day long, then just stop the hand-feedings...And once again, you need to feed them not only a commercially-sold Parrot seed-mix you buy in a store, but you also need to be feeding them fresh Veggies and dark, leafy Greens every single day if you want them to grow properly and stay healthy and at a good weight, and also develop proper immune systems...You have access to many fresh Veggies and Greens where you live, so from now on they need to both have a bowl of fresh seed-mix and a bowl of water in their cages at all times, every day. And then at some point during the day (in the late afternoon around dinner time is good) you need to give each of them a nice big portion of fresh Veggies and dark, leafy Greens chopped-up for them. They cannot just be fed a diet of seed and nothing else every day, they are probably already malnourished due to not being fed a proper baby-bird handfeeding formula as babies, so they need the extra nutrition...But also if you just feed them seed all day long and nothing else for the rest of their lives, they are going to develop Fatty Liver Disease and they will die much younger than they should. So make sure that you're offering them both fresh Veggies and dark Greens every single day, with a little bit of fresh Fruit 2-3 times a week as well.

Hopefully they will eat the seed-mix, veggies, greens, and fruit throughout the day, every day, without a problem, because you can't keep doing what you're doing with forcing syringe feedings of boiled grains, that's not safe for them, it's going to make them aggressive, non-tame birds, and they aren't getting the nutrition they need. Plus, if they are refusing the "formula" you've been offering them and are actually scared of the syringe, that means that they aren't hungry for the formula any longer, and are eating the seed-mix. So I would stop chasing them and forcing them to take hand-feedings right away, before you make one or both of them very sick and make them scared of people in-general, and that will allow them to also start getting proper nutrition every day if you're offering them both seed-mix, veggies, greens, and fruit every single day. They'll start putting weight on because they'll be eating proper nutrition, and they'll start to be happy, healthier birds and hopefully won't suffer any future health issues due to not being fed a proper hand-feeding formula as babies...

 

[Fayaaz]

Thanks Ellen.. The other one is asking for the formula but not by the syringe.. I should feed by my hand..only the bigger one is afraid of syringe and started with sunflower seeds ND vegetables like beans ND lady finger and green leaf ND green chilly..

 

[Fayaaz]

What are the incredents of seeds mix.. And what fruit ND vegetables.. Thanks in advance..

 

[Fayaaz]

Hi everyone my both babies are not eating well..

 

[charmedbyekkie]

Hi Fayaaz, most folks are asleep right now (I'm at work )

[strike]Ideally you shouldn't wean onto seeds - you should be weaning onto vegetables and fruits.[/strike] I stand corrected by Ellen

Here's a link that might help you start: https://eclectusparrotbreeders.com/eclectus-dietary-info.html

I've only English names, but I'm in Singapore so we might share a few more fruits/veggies in common that aren't mentioned on the list:
- gourds
- squash
- yam
- curry leaves
- brinjal
- jackfruit
- durian
- chempedak
- jambu
- papaya
- persimmon

You might have to chop the vegetables and fruits into small pieces - some birds like big pieces, some birds don't.

Be sure to always offer formula first. If they're doing poorly, you might have to bring them to an avian vet since they might be sick.

I'm sure others will be along to guide you on how to check their crop, etc.

 

[reeisconfused]

Hello. I see you’re located in Chennai. It is vital for your birds survival that you take them to a qualified avian vet ASAP.

Have you checked this link yet?
https://www.practo.com/chennai/doctor-for-treatments-for-birds
Perhaps, you could try calling at the clinics and asking if they treat birds. They would either help you or redirect you to someone who could. Practo generally gives reliable information and it’s how I found my current avian vet.

As for the diet, try giving them sprouts. Most birds that don’t take to veggies and fruits will take to sprouts. You could try giving them corn, peas, peppers, sweet potatoes, beans (cooked only), steel cut oats, wild rice, cooked rice (no salt) etc. For fruits, apples, grapes, strawberries, pomegranate etc are great. Make sure to not give them apple seeds accidentally as it is toxic for them. Try experimenting and see what they take to. You could make a mash of all things together and serve it to them.

Get a packet of low fat seeds (do NOT feed them sunflower seeds as it is not good for them in the long term) and see if they eat that. It might work as a temporary solution. If they are not able to retain food, it already means that things are terribly wrong and that they need immediate medical care.

I know avian vets are extremely hard to find but I hope you find a way to get them treated. Without proper treatment, they will die.

All the best luck to you. Let me know if you need any help.

 

[EllenD]

Just to clarify something, Alexanderines cannot survive on simply fresh veggies and fruit like an Eclectus, they MUST be weaned onto a daily "staple" food, either a medium/large parrot seed-mix or a pellet made for parrots. I don't believe the OP has access to Avian pellet diets, so they have no choice but to wean both babies onto a seed-mix as their daily staple diet...If they don't wean them onto either a seed-mix or pellets as their main daily source of food, they will not survive, as they will not be getting any protein, fat, etc. that they need to live. Eclectus parrots are a very unique situation when it comes to their diets that mainly consist of veggies and fruits, and this just doesn't apply to other adult parrots...So I just wanted to clarify this because of what CharmedEkkie has said about "not weaning them onto seed-mixes, wean the onto veggies and fruit"...That just won't work for an Alex, they must have a "staple" food that they have access to all day long and every single day that is either a seed-mix made for medium to large parrots, or a pellet made for medium to large parrots, and though the pellet staple-diet is what is better for them due to the high fat-content of most seed-mixes, they have to feed what is available to them in their area, and apparently that is only seed-mixes, so they must start weaning them onto a commercially sold seed-mix in addition to the fresh veggies and fruit..So please do not stop weaning them onto a seed-mix for parrots, at this point they should both have access to a commercially sold seed-mix that is made for medium to large parrots all day long, every day. Do not take it away from them, and make sure they always have access to it so they can actually start weaning onto it...In addition they both need to be given a bowl of fresh Veggies and Greens every day as well, but that isn't something that you want to leave in their cage all day long, they first need to wean onto the seed-mix so that they are getting adequate protein. They are growing and developing rapidly at their age, and if they don't get enough protein, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fats, fibers, etc. then they are going to end-up very malnourished and undernourished.

***So I'm trying to understand what is going on here with both of them as far as the hand-feedings...What is it exactly that you have been hand-feeding them as a "formula"? I'm confused about what exactly is going on, it sounds like they stopped eating the "formula" but also won't eat any solid foods like seed-mix/pellets or veggies?

What exactly are they eating each day, and how much? I assumed that if they were both rejecting hand-feedings of formula, then that meant that they were both eating enough seed-mix to sustain themselves and were basically getting to the point that they were both weaned, but apparently that isn't the case. So if neither of them are eating much of anything, that means they aren't yet weaned onto solid foods, but they also aren't getting nutrition from a hand-feeding formula, and this is now a very critical situation you have...

***Sometimes when baby birds that are hand-fed a type of "formula" or liquid food that isn't adequate for them, like a commercial hand-feeding formula, but rather fed some other type of liquid cereal or mushed-up grains or seeds, etc., then their bodies become extremely malnourished and this interferes completely with the weaning process...So we need to know exactly what they are eating right now, and how much they are eating of it daily...

***It's very difficult to do much to help you this way because we don't know what types of commercial formulas, seed-mixes, pellets, etc. that you have access to....I have a question for you, I missing something and not understanding what you mean by "ND"...Can you explain that to me? I need to know exactly what type of seed-mix and/or pellet that you are giving them each day to try to wean them onto, and also exactly what type of hand-feeding "formula" you've been giving them since you brought them home with you. When you say "They aren't eating well at all", do you mean they aren't hand-feeding or they aren't eating the seed-mix or pellets that they have access to? Or both?

***In this situation the best thing you can do is to find the closest Avian Vet to you, or even the closest Livestock Vet that treats poultry birds like Chickens, Ducks, etc. If neither bird is weaning themselves onto their daily staple food, meaning the seed-mix, pellets, veggies, etc., but they are also rejecting the hand-feeding formula and are actually scared of the syringe/hand-feedings, then this is a situation where normally they would be tube/crop fed with a Crop-Needle and a commercially-sold hand-feeding formula or Avian dietary formula, such as Emerald Critical Care. They aren't going to do well for long if they are not eating a staple food on a regular basis like a seed-mix or pellets, and the veggies and fruit though good for them to have, will not sustain them. And it doesn't sound like they're eating much of them either...

 

[Fayaaz]

Thank you guys for the timely help.. Ellen nw they are eating only vegetables.. That's easy for them to chew.. The big one is having Lil bit seeds mix.. But main thing is when iam nt there they're nt eating... If iam there they re eating... What should I do fr that..

 

[Fayaaz]

My hand feeding formula contains both the grains and seeds mix.. If they are eating on themselves the crop is not getting full.. Is thats problem...

 

[Fayaaz]

Hi all my babies are eating on their own but their crop is not getting full. Is it normal.. Now I have checked their weights one is 189grams and other one is 217 grams.. Is that normal for 2 months baby alexandrine..

 

[EllenD]

If you are actually seeing them both eat seed-mix on their own every single day, throughout the day, then that's a good thing. What I meant by my comment about the veggies is that they cannot survive on just veggies and fruits like an Eclectus Parrot does, they are a very special case...So if you're seeing both of your birds eating seed-mix in addition to the fresh veggies and fruit every day, and it should be throughout the entire day, then that probably means that they are weaned...Are they still begging or crying for hand-feedings? If not then they are most likely weaned, but again, they must be eating seed-mix and/or pellets on their own every day and not just veggies and fruits...

At 2 months old (so around 8-10 weeks old) they should be close to fully-weaned, Alex's typically wean between 10-13 weeks old, so that's good. When parrots eat on their own, it isn't like when you hand-feed them formula, they do not fill their crops up until they are rounded like they look when you hand-feed them formula. When we hand-feed them formula, it's our job to make sure that they are completely full and we do that by making sure their crops are rounded and large...When they eat throughout the day by themselves, they only eat until they are full and they stop, and their crops will not be visibly rounded at all...

So the key here is that you are making sure that they both have access to a full bowl of seed-mix and/or pellets all day long, every day, and that you are actually seeing both of them eating the seed-mix and/or pellets many times throughout the day. That's what you need to see to feel certain that they are weaned, along with them no long crying/begging for formula. You should give them both a big bowl or plate of fresh veggies, dark leafy Greens, and a tiny bit of fresh fruit each day too, but not first thing in the morning, they need to be eating their seed-mix/pellets first thing and throughout the day, and then give them their portion of fresh veggies, greens, and fruit later in the day, and when they are done eating it then remove it because it will quickly grow bacter, fungi, and mold. But they still need to always have a full dish of seed-mix and pellets throughout the day/night...

As long as they are not losing any weight then that means that they are eating their seed-mix/pellets normally. The seed-mix/pellets are their only source of protein, vitamins/minerals, amino acids, fat, etc. that their bodies need to sustain themselves and live; veggies and fruit add to this, but they contain little protein or fat, and just don't work as a main staple food source...

It's good that you are weighing them each every single day. The best time to weigh them is first thing in the morning, AFTER they both poop, but BEFORE they eat any seed-mix/pellets. If you weigh them both at the same time every single day like this then you'll get an accurate weight each day, and be sure to write it down with the date, time, and weight, so you can track their weights for the next month or so. It's normal for them to lose or gain up to 10 grams or so each day, as their droppings can weigh that much, or if they eat a large amount of food, such as veggies or fruit that contains a bunch of water, etc. If they start losing more than 10 grams more than 2-3 days in a row, then you have a problem because that means that they aren't eating their seed-mix/pellets every day the way that they should be...

So it sounds like they're starting to make a turn for the better...You've done a great job, especially with what you had to work with. Just remember that the most important things for the next month are #1) They both ALWAYS have a full bowl of seed-mix/pellets every day, all day long, and that you are actually seeing both of them eating their seed-mix and/or pellets all throughout the day, every day, and then giving them their fresh veggies and fruit for the day later in the day AFTER you've seen them eating their seed-mix/pellets, because veggies and fruits, though easier for them to eat, will not sustain their lives, and then #2) Making sure that you weigh them each every single day first thing in the morning after they poop but before they eat anything, and that their weights are both stable and neither of them are losing more than 10 grams a day for more than 2 days in a row...If that happens then they are not eating enough protein/fat, meaning they aren't eating their seed-mix/pellets and they may need to be offered a hand-feeding of formula. Hopefully that won't happen, but it's not abnormal for a baby to regress a little after they wean...

If you have any issues or questions just ask, don't wait to post about any problems or questions, because at their age everything is a big deal...