2 Budgies died in less than 48h, this is so painful

[PacMan]

Honestly this has to be the worst days and worst year of my live, i cant even believe this is happening, its so sudden and shocking that i cant even cry, they were playful a few days ago and now this shit, both had digestive problems, the first one died 3 days later and the medicines had no effect, and now this one died just now in the morning after showing no symptoms yersteday night

Does anyone here have experience with necropsy? Im so scared that it might infect my other 8 parrots

 

[DonnaBudgie]

This is awful! I'm so sorry for your losses. I'd be in tears for sure if my budgies started dying like that!
Regarding necropsy, I had an avian vet do a necropsy on my 13 year old budgie, Buddy II, years ago out in LA. He didnt charge me because he wanted to do it because he wanted to examine the organs of such a geriatric budgie who died slowly of kidney failure. Buddy also has a testicular tumor that releases hormone that feminized his appearance for about 5 years before Buddy started looking like a male budgies again. The Dr. suspected that the tumor had outgrown its blood supply and died.
The necropsy showed that his kidneys ere packed with urates they were unable to filter out of his blood. He found the remnants of a shriveled up testicular tumor. Buddy also had cataracts. The Dr learned important things from Buddy's necropsy and I was happy to let him do it. I did not ask for Buddy's remains. I don't have strong attachments to budgies' lifeless bodies plus he had been cut up and I didn't want to see it.

I think the important thing for you to do is to take any budgies and other birds you have to the vet for tests to see if they are infected by anything that may kill them or their flockmates and get treated before they succumb too.

I don't know if a necropsy will tell you anything important. It must be done pretty quickly after the death or the body will have started decomposing and results will be affected. Are their bodies in a refrigerstor? How many hours have they each been refrigerated?
Is the vet willing to do necropies on them and how much will it cost you?

 

[PacMan]

This is awful! I'm so sorry for your losses. I'd be in tears for sure if my budgies started dying like that!
Regarding necropsy, I had an avian vet do a necropsy on my 13 year old budgie, Buddy II, years ago out in LA. He didnt charge me because he wanted to do it because he wanted to examine the organs of such a geriatric budgie who died slowly of kidney failure. Buddy also has a testicular tumor that releases hormone that feminized his appearance for about 5 years before Buddy started looking like a male budgies again. The Dr. suspected that the tumor had outgrown its blood supply and died.
The necropsy showed that his kidneys ere packed with urates they were unable to filter out of his blood. He found the remnants of a shriveled up testicular tumor. Buddy also had cataracts. The Dr learned important things from Buddy's necropsy and I was happy to let him do it. I did not ask for Buddy's remains. I don't have strong attachments to budgies' lifeless bodies plus he had been cut up and I didn't want to see it.

I think the important thing for you to do is to take any budgies and other birds you have to the vet for tests to see if they are infected by anything that may kill them or their flockmates and get treated before they succumb too.

I don't know if a necropsy will tell you anything important. It must be done pretty quickly after the death or the body will have started decomposing and results will be affected. Are their bodies in a refrigerstor? How many hours have they each been refrigerated?
Is the vet willing to do necropies on them and how much will it cost you?

I talked with my vet about it, she said she has no experience with necropsy in birds, and asked me to test the remaining birds.

One thing i forgot to add is that both of these female budgies had in common the same male budgie as a partner, so he will be the one i will be monitoring the most, i wonder if he somehow ate something toxic and gave to them, or its just a coincidence. I feel really bad for him, must be really bad to lose his 2 mates like this

The 2 budgies who passed away are now buried, i also dont have much attachment to dead bodies, i prefer to remember them for the time they were alive and the good memories they gave me, these 2 in particular were some of the funniest birds ive seen in my life, and they were very similar to a budgie i had who passed away in 2022, who was probably the budgie i loved the most in my life, she loved to play with humans which is rare, and was extremely smart, managed to open her own cage and hide in the most random places possible, these 2 were similar to each other reminded me a lot of her. Very crazy for them to die so close to each other

Edit: my vet recommended me to put enrofloxacin in the water of my birds

 

[PacMan]

This is awful! I'm so sorry for your losses. I'd be in tears for sure if my budgies started dying like that!
Regarding necropsy, I had an avian vet do a necropsy on my 13 year old budgie, Buddy II, years ago out in LA. He didnt charge me because he wanted to do it because he wanted to examine the organs of such a geriatric budgie who died slowly of kidney failure. Buddy also has a testicular tumor that releases hormone that feminized his appearance for about 5 years before Buddy started looking like a male budgies again. The Dr. suspected that the tumor had outgrown its blood supply and died.
The necropsy showed that his kidneys ere packed with urates they were unable to filter out of his blood. He found the remnants of a shriveled up testicular tumor. Buddy also had cataracts. The Dr learned important things from Buddy's necropsy and I was happy to let him do it. I did not ask for Buddy's remains. I don't have strong attachments to budgies' lifeless bodies plus he had been cut up and I didn't want to see it.

I think the important thing for you to do is to take any budgies and other birds you have to the vet for tests to see if they are infected by anything that may kill them or their flockmates and get treated before they succumb too.

I don't know if a necropsy will tell you anything important. It must be done pretty quickly after the death or the body will have started decomposing and results will be affected. Are their bodies in a refrigerstor? How many hours have they each been refrigerated?
Is the vet willing to do necropies on them and how much will it cost you?

Another terrible update now, another bird has started vomiting, at this rate i think all of them are infected now and some are just taking long to show symptoms. Im even worried now to go in their room to treat them and end up infecting my 2 conures who dont live with them. I will try to put them as far possible from each other. I cant even believe this is happening, truly my worst fear

 

[nkrbkr]

Another terrible update now, another bird has started vomiting, at this rate i think all of them are infected now and some are just taking long to show symptoms. Im even worried now to go in their room to treat them and end up infecting my 2 conures who dont live with them. I will try to put them as far possible from each other. I cant even believe this is happening, truly my worst fear

I’m so sorry

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Oh, no! Can you get him to the vet for maybe an antibiotic injection?

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Are you sure there's not something wrong with their food? What do you feed them?

 

[PacMan]

Oh, no! Can you get him to the vet for maybe an antibiotic injection?

My vet told me to give her enrofloxacin (i believe in english its called baytril?) And the detox. Im worried about traveling with her and making her worse, with the first bird who died she was vomiting a lot even when i moved her cage to another room, in a car it probably would made it even worse (and in case i do need to travel, do you know how its done? I dont own a car and currently my aunt who does is at vacation right now, im unsure if someone would be willing to travel with a sick animal)

And just to be safe i will put some apple cider vinegar in my conure's water as well, they dont even touch my budgies and cockatiel things but they usually sleep not that far from each other. Starting from today i will put them to sleep in a different room

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Don't you know anyone who can take you and the sick bird to the vet? Call an Uber or taxi? If the bird isn't drinking it won't get the antibiotic. Don't you have the antibiotic you can give him by mouth?

 

[DonnaBudgie]

I don't think anyone would care about traveling with a sick budgie. People don't catch budgie illnesses and neither do furry animals.

 

[PacMan]

Are you sure there's not something wrong with their food? What do you feed them?

The thing they like to eat the most is a mix of grated carrot and beet, mixed with quinoa and collard greens. They also eat pellets, i didnt changed anything in their diet recently so its weird for this to happen all of sudden

 

[PacMan]

Don't you know anyone who can take you and the sick bird to the vet? Call an Uber or taxi? If the bird isn't drinking it won't get the antibiotic. Don't you have the antibiotic you can give him by mouth?

Im giving it on her mouth with a small spoon,but its hard to give it to her, the first one was much easier because she was drinking by herself when i put the spoon next to her beak

Also its weird that so far only the female budgies are having this problem, the 4 males and the cockatiel who live with her are okay

I will look if i can go there tomorrow morning

 

[DonnaBudgie]

How is the sick budgie doing? It's tough dosing with a spoon! You would have an easier time dosing the medication if you use an eyedropper or disposable pipette. You can order either online. You can get medicine dosing syringes at the local drugstore or online.. try to get some regardless of the outcome with your sick budgies because you may need to dose your other birds someday. Best wishes.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

What country do you live in?

 

[DonnaBudgie]

The thing they like to eat the most is a mix of grated carrot and beet, mixed with quinoa and collard greens. They also eat pellets, i didnt changed anything in their diet recently so its weird for this to happen all of sudden

Maybe you should stop the veggies and just feed pellets and perhaps some seed to tempt them while the illness is in your budgie population.

 

[PacMan]

How is the sick budgie doing? It's tough dosing with a spoon! You would have an easier time dosing the medication if you use an eyedropper or disposable pipette. You can order either online. You can get medicine dosing syringes at the local drugstore or online.. try to get some regardless of the outcome with your sick budgies because you may need to dose your other birds someday. Best wishes.

She just woke up, and still vomiting, sadly i think she will have the same fate as the first 2, i will keep her isolated from the others

 

[PacMan]

What country do you live in?

I live in a very small rural city in brazil, theres almost nothing good here for birds, i have to buy everything online

 

[DonnaBudgie]

I understand. Many people in some countries don't have avian vet access even many in rural areas of the US. You should order some medication dosing syringes the smallest you can find preferably
1 cc syringes.

 

[PacMan]

I understand. Many people in some countries don't have avian vet access even many in rural areas of the US. You should order some medication dosing syringes the smallest you can find preferably
1 cc syringes.

So i managed to get in contact with an avian vet who even has a youtube channel with 100k+ subs, and he recommended me to give nystatin (0,3/0,4 in the 1cc syringe) to everyone even to my conures who are separated from the budgies, and that i should increase the dose of the organic apple cider vinegar, have you ever heard about nystatin in parrots?

I just made a post about it, including with pictures. Talking with him made me have some hope again, hopefully it will all be okay! These last few days have been so exhausting and sad here