After 3 months of training..

nattyd

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I've had yoshi (approx 6 months) for 3 months now, still in the taming process (he wasn't tamed when i got him) and we've made quite a lot of progress, compared to how he was when i got him. I'm trying to teach him how to step up, so far he'll step up and walk up onto my arm, and will sit there for as long as i give him sunflower seeds however, when i do manage to make him step up my arm has to be in a certain way otherwise he gets scared - i can't just put my finger upto him because he's super wary of my hands and he'll just step away.

Not exactly sure what more i can do to make him trust my hands.. should i just keep doing this?

I've realised he also has no idea how to play with toys, pretty sure its the first time he's seen toys since he was born, will he come into them his own or is there something i should be doing

I know 3 months isn't long at all! just want to make sure were going in the right direction

How long did it take some of you to tame your bird?
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My personal experience isn't relevant since I originally rehomed a hand fed baby however, I know there are people on the forum who have taken months, even years, and some who have come to terms that their bird will never be tamed, but they still accept and love them for that.

I think it's great that you've made progress in the last 3 months! Don't give up since he seems to be receptive. It's possible maybe Yoshi has some hand trauma in the past, the most you can do is continue to work with him at his pace. Don't force him to stay once he does step up.

What type of training have you tried so far? Have you tried any target or touch training yet? If he's that phobic of hands, it might help.


I'm not too sure about toys. It may be a matter figuring out what kind of toys he likes. I'm sure someone more experienced with conures can chime in with what kind of toys their conure like.
 
You have done well in only three months! Remi has taken a year to trust our hands and fingers. He initially hated hands and was biting a lot but now enjoys scritches and willingly steps up. However, I don't think he will ever allow us to do what I see some people do with their conures (some like to lie on their backs in their owner's hands, snuggle in the palm of the hand etc.)
Just keep up the good work, you will see the difference in months to come.
 
I think you are doing really well. It is a case of baby steps and simply building trust so that he associates you with nice things happening. As he gets more brave he will get more adventurous. I talk and sing to Syd as much as possible so that all the concentration is not on handling. It took a long time for him to snuggle in my hand and even now he will avoid my hands at times and he was hand reared but I saved him from his first owner.

Have you tried hiding a sunflower seed in a toy? I wrap them in a bit of kleenex and clip on with a clothes peg, starting with a simple find then making it harder. As far as toys go Syd loves anything that has a bell and anything he can climb. Lately he has found that it's fun to destroy stuff so now we are into shredding toys etc. It has been a learning curve for me as much as him.

Be patient and good times will come.
 
My personal experience isn't relevant since I originally rehomed a hand fed baby however, I know there are people on the forum who have taken months, even years, and some who have come to terms that their bird will never be tamed, but they still accept and love them for that.

I think it's great that you've made progress in the last 3 months! Don't give up since he seems to be receptive. It's possible maybe Yoshi has some hand trauma in the past, the most you can do is continue to work with him at his pace. Don't force him to stay once he does step up.

What type of training have you tried so far? Have you tried any target or touch training yet? If he's that phobic of hands, it might help.


I'm not too sure about toys. It may be a matter figuring out what kind of toys he likes. I'm sure someone more experienced with conures can chime in with what kind of toys their conure like.
Yeah i think he may have been handled roughly so I'm being as patient as i can - I tried target training but the perch freaked him out so i stopped and as of now, he doesn't let me touch him just yet so i've pretty much just been waiting for everything on his own time!
 
The other day Syd freaked out when I offered my hand so I pulled my sleeve right down and he happily climbed on my jumper.
 
My personal experience isn't relevant since I originally rehomed a hand fed baby however, I know there are people on the forum who have taken months, even years, and some who have come to terms that their bird will never be tamed, but they still accept and love them for that.

I think it's great that you've made progress in the last 3 months! Don't give up since he seems to be receptive. It's possible maybe Yoshi has some hand trauma in the past, the most you can do is continue to work with him at his pace. Don't force him to stay once he does step up.

What type of training have you tried so far? Have you tried any target or touch training yet? If he's that phobic of hands, it might help.


I'm not too sure about toys. It may be a matter figuring out what kind of toys he likes. I'm sure someone more experienced with conures can chime in with what kind of toys their conure like.
Yeah i think he may have been handled roughly so I'm being as patient as i can - I tried target training but the perch freaked him out so i stopped and as of now, he doesn't let me touch him just yet so i've pretty much just been waiting for everything on his own time!
Well you don't need to use a perch for target training. If he's freaked out by the perch, just have him target around his cage at first and feed the treat through the bars. If he won't take the food, drop it in his bowl obviously.
Eventually try to target outside of the cage, onto perches, then onto your hand. Continue what you were doing before as well slowly.
 
When you say that Yoshi wasn't tamed when you got him, do you mean that he was parent raised?

If that is the case then he will never get to the same level of "tameness" that a hand raised bird can. There will always be a level of wariness of humans retained that a hand raised bird doesn't have.

In saying that that doesn't mean that you can't build a very good relationship. Just be prepared that it will most likely never be as close as that with a hand raised bird.

Sounds like you are doing really well given how much you have managed in just 3 months.

With toys start with natural things like Yucca leaves, branches with seed pods on the end, pine cones and that sort of thing. Slowly introduce other types alongside them. I have found that certain cat toys are well received as well. Just avoid the cat balls that are very thin plastic cages as they can just bite pieces off.

Another thing that I have found helps is a bird shirt. I have a long sleeved flannel shirt that I wear over my clothes when I am handling my birds. I have a couple of identical shirts that I use. This helps with establishing a routine but one that allows a little flexibility. My birds know that if I have it on they are coming out of the cage to hang out with me. Removes the uncertainty of what I am about to do. Also not a time based routine which helps me.

Like children routines are super important with birds too from my experience. Shirt goes on bird comes out to "play". The long sleeves allow better grip on my arms so they feel more secure. When they have had enough they can go onto the play gym until they want to interact with me again. Constantly talking/making noises while they are with you helps. Sharing food is a big one with helping to establish a relationship. Take a bite out of a piece of their favourite fruit\veg\nut (or bread crust if you want to bribe with junk food) that you also like and then offer it to them. Natural flock behaviour as far as I know is to share food so this helps to tighten the bonds between you and your bird.

I'm sure that more experienced aviculturalists will have more to add but I hope this helps.
 
Hi. New owner and member. Previous first experience for me with a bird was fantasticly rewarding. I was bed bound for about two weeks when we first got Oscar (as a rescue). I spent loads of time with him. His cage next to the bed and open. Within about two weeks he was not nervous, ate out of my hand and usually did step ups. He groomed my beard and asked for grooming too! Fantastic.

Due to stupidity we lost him. Now we have two more birds. They were sort of rescued from a dodgy source and we were obliged to take the two as they had formed a great friendship although they are different species. Now we are experiencing enor mous difficulties in training.
Oscar is very bold and in the beginning was hardly nervous. Max his Brazilian mate was so nervous-he used to hide his head behind anything if we were near. Now my opinion is that training is going to be extremely difficult. Oscar was making some progress with me but now it seems that he is catching Maxs nervousness.

I am encouraged to continue by small things. Max will now occasionally take food from my fingers as long as there are cage bars between us. He will sometimes come out of the cage to eat, b ut will easily frighten.

We will get there but I feel it will be a long time. Would welcome any comments from anyone else training two new birds at the same time. Thanks in advance. Ciao
 
Hey nattyd, The very first things I want to say is this....Please just sit back and remember baby steps, as training definitely isn't a race. 2nd, and I was just reminded of this the other day, reduce your expectations, meaning, if your bird never talks, it's okay, if it never tames, it's okay, if your bird doesn't do anything other than be a bird in a cage, then that's fine too. When you start from this point, there are no disappointments, only excitement if he/she accomplishes anything, other than sit in a cage, eat and poop and look beautiful. This is the best place to start, and you'll never be disappointed, because honestly, bird owners require too much of there bird. So start here, first feed your bird, and be diligent, figure out the first thing your bird grabs.....a nut, a sunflower seed, whatever it is.... This immediately tells you what your birds favorite food is. 2nd, remove that particular item from his/her daily feedings, and use that particular item for training treats. Now each time you walk by your bird or interact with your bird, drop a treat into his food dish, what were trying to accomplish is every time your parrot sees you, he gets a treat, so he sees you, something good happens. He will at some point start getting excited to see you, and quite excited to receive the treat. Try scratching his head, if he bites, no treat, if he allows it, he gets a treat. Still when you interact with him, pass him a treat, and at some point he will allow you to hand feed him, build your bond, and start the trust cycle here.

So now lets talk about Yoshi and toys. Yoshi wild or domestic, it doesn't matter, has a natural instinct to maintain it's beak. Birds use chews in the wild to naturally trim their beak, they chew. Place a toy in the cage, if the bird is freaked out by that toy, try another toy, and so forth until you find what your bird likes. There are chew toys, their are shredding toys and their are foraging toys, thats how I classify them in my mind, The chew toys are wood, leathers, things like that for the bird to chew on, make sure the wood, leather is appropriately sized for your bird to be able to chew on, domestically, or wild either way it's natural for these guys to chew. Second lets talk shredding toys, I know you've seen them on line at different parrot outlets, it's usually a hanging toy, usually made of paper and stuff, it is made for your bird to destroy. A toilet paper empty roll, paper towel empty roll, be creative, use your imagination, make it playful for your bird, youtube it and get ideas, follow the suggestions, and make your own, I even see pinatas for birds, and that is a shredding toy, you can also hide treats in them. The foraging toys are toys made to conceal treats, birds love to forage, and they do that in the wild. They love moving things out of their way to get to their food, parrots aren't dumb, they have a natural instinct to do this. My Mother had a little girls purse, she hung it in her Moluccan's cage, she would hide treats in that purse, When her Moluccan was in it's cage, he immediately ran across his perch, used his head and beak to open the little flap, and stick his head in that purse and get himself a treat, He loved that purse! If you search foraging on line, theirs a list of puzzle games, if the bird moves an object to a certain position, the treat drops out, you just want to make sure you start with a simple puzzle treat game for your parrot, then make it more difficult, all the way he's learning, brain development and he's getting better, this keeps him busy for hours. I hope this helps in building trust and a bond with your parrot, the three classes of toys and what they are made to do, and I hope you'll use these ideas to occupy your parrot. I've read many places to keep only two toys in a cage at a time, usually to prevent crowding. So out of the three classes of toys I've described, figure out which two classes your bird likes most, then every two weeks switch those two toys out for two more toys of different class, during those two weeks your bird will forget about the toys you've removed, and play with the new ones, and again in two weeks exchange those toys out again, with the two toys you removed two weeks prior or with two toys your bird hasn't seen before. Either way rotation of toys is important, and will keep your bird busy, will keep your bird active and will keep your bird from becoming bored. 3 things you want to prevent at all costs, (1) Boredom (2) Tired, make sure your bird is getting 10-12 hours of uninterrupted sleep daily, it's very important for your birds immune system and general health, I see Noodles123 talk about this very often with new parrot owners, it's very important, and worth the mention again. (3) Hunger, make sure your parrot is eating healthy foods, which mine has a mixture of seed, pellets, then in another dish has fresh sprouts, veggies all chopped up for her to eat. In with her seed and pellets are nuts, and sunflower seeds mixed in, so she has several varieties of food, and several choices. I want her to eat many different kinds of veggies, different textures, different tastes, and sometimes your have to experiment with sizes and shapes. You will get the hang of it, but these items are very important for your parrot, so your bird is getting proper rest, proper nutrition, and you have toys to reduce boredom. This should be very helpful in now proceeding to taming, and training. Hope this helps, and hate that it's so long.
 

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