Conure Hybrid?

[adellelauren]

Hello. I'm getting a Dusky Green Cheek Conure Hybrid baby tomorrow. DNA'd male and hand fed. Does anyone else have a Conure Hybrid?

 

[adellelauren]

Here is the ad. I'm friends with the breeder.

http://m.ebayclassifieds.com/v?adId=30132168

 

[MonicaMc]

New who you were talking about!

Conure hybrids are far more common than many people realize. People own hybrids and they aren't even aware of it, and some are so against hybrids that they wont even think about the possibility of their bird being a hybrid.


There is one owner here who has a sun conure x green cheek hybrid. A previous member had the same hybrid, but their bird died at 6 months old due to cancer. I'm sure there are other past members that have owned or are owned by hybrid conures but are no longer a part of this forum.




I have some pictures of the dusky x green cheeks in a hybrid album group, among other conure hybrids.

Flickr: The Hybrid Parrots Pool

 

[Echo]

I still don't understand why a breeder would mix the 2......

 

[MonicaMc]

One breeder had dusky x maroon bellied hybrids. The female maroon bellied would not pair up with another conure except the dusky. The dusky was the only conure she got along with! And then they had chicks.


Most Pyrrhura x Large conure hybrids actually occur because people keep the two species as pets, not realizing that they can hybridize... heck, breeders and avian vets will even say they can't hybridize... and poof! Fertile eggs!

 

[adellelauren]

I just got him. But that's what happened to her. She tried to keep them seperate but they were just to bonded.

 

[Echo]

One breeder had dusky x maroon bellied hybrids. The female maroon bellied would not pair up with another conure except the dusky. The dusky was the only conure she got along with! And then they had chicks.


Most Pyrrhura x Large conure hybrids actually occur because people keep the two species as pets, not realizing that they can hybridize... heck, breeders and avian vets will even say they can't hybridize... and poof! Fertile eggs!

Yes I understand that birds of different species can bond and even mate. However, it doesn't mean you need to let them reproduce. There are fake eggs made for this purpose that you can just replace the clutch with. Why let them reproduce infertile babies who will have possible birth defects and shorter lifespan? It's not a matter of "poof", here it is! It's a question of ethics and responsibility toward the future of Aviculture. Breeders should be aware of this and I don't believe in "accident" breeding.

 

[SilverSage]

I do feel that people have a responsibility to be careful about breeding, but many people have never thought about it before the "impossible" eggs show up, and to many it doesn't occur to them to destroy the eggs. They may have no idea about the implications, and others may not see hybridization as an ethical issue. So while you may be right, it is important to remember that these birds often come from people who do not "feel the weight of breeding" because they never thought about breeding, they just had two pets and thought there would be no problem housing them together. People adopting these birds may or may not be in favor of breeding them, just as people who adopt dogs born in a large breeding facility may or may not believe in how the animals are produced. Also, replacing eggs with fake ones does not always work - I had a hen who produced over 60 eggs in one year before I could get her to stop. Fake eggs were at the top of my list of ways to get her to stop. It worked for a little while, but once she realized they were fake, she was at it again even worse. I know it is a totally different situation, I am just saying that sometimes the "obvious answer" doesn't work.

 

[Echo]

I do feel that people have a responsibility to be careful about breeding, but many people have never thought about it before the "impossible" eggs show up, and to many it doesn't occur to them to destroy the eggs. They may have no idea about the implications, and others may not see hybridization as an ethical issue. So while you may be right, it is important to remember that these birds often come from people who do not "feel the weight of breeding" because they never thought about breeding, they just had two pets and thought there would be no problem housing them together. People adopting these birds may or may not be in favor of breeding them, just as people who adopt dogs born in a large breeding facility may or may not believe in how the animals are produced. Also, replacing eggs with fake ones does not always work - I had a hen who produced over 60 eggs in one year before I could get her to stop. Fake eggs were at the top of my list of ways to get her to stop. It worked for a little while, but once she realized they were fake, she was at it again even worse. I know it is a totally different situation, I am just saying that sometimes the "obvious answer" doesn't work.

There are other ways to prevent viability besides replacing them with fake ones. Minimal research can explain what to do in the event that replacing them does not work.
People keep them because they're cute and they sell.

Anywho, ADELLELAUREN once the babies are here, I love them just as must as anyone! So congratulations on your new baby!! I didn't mean for your post to be hijacked!

 

[adellelauren]

I do feel that people have a responsibility to be careful about breeding, but many people have never thought about it before the "impossible" eggs show up, and to many it doesn't occur to them to destroy the eggs. They may have no idea about the implications, and others may not see hybridization as an ethical issue. So while you may be right, it is important to remember that these birds often come from people who do not "feel the weight of breeding" because they never thought about breeding, they just had two pets and thought there would be no problem housing them together. People adopting these birds may or may not be in favor of breeding them, just as people who adopt dogs born in a large breeding facility may or may not believe in how the animals are produced. Also, replacing eggs with fake ones does not always work - I had a hen who produced over 60 eggs in one year before I could get her to stop. Fake eggs were at the top of my list of ways to get her to stop. It worked for a little while, but once she realized they were fake, she was at it again even worse. I know it is a totally different situation, I am just saying that sometimes the "obvious answer" doesn't work.

There are other ways to prevent viability besides replacing them with fake ones. Minimal research can explain what to do in the event that replacing them does not work.
People keep them because they're cute and they sell.

Anywho, ADELLELAUREN once the babies are here, I love them just as must as anyone! So congratulations on your new baby!! I didn't mean for your post to be hijacked!

It's ok Echo. Just was curious as to if anyone else owned a Conure Hybrid. He's a sweetheart.

 

[MonicaMc]

Yes I understand that birds of different species can bond and even mate. However, it doesn't mean you need to let them reproduce. There are fake eggs made for this purpose that you can just replace the clutch with. Why let them reproduce infertile babies who will have possible birth defects and shorter lifespan? It's not a matter of "poof", here it is! It's a question of ethics and responsibility toward the future of Aviculture. Breeders should be aware of this and I don't believe in "accident" breeding.

What if I were to counter and say who are you to decide the life of an unborn? Hybrid or not, it has occurred. Would you prevent the life of a bird simply because it's a hybrid? Or would you allow that egg to hatch because all life is precious???

It kind of comes down to a similar argument of Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice in women. Do you believe that all unborn life should have a chance of living? Or would it be best to destroy that life before it even has a chance to live if there's something even remotely wrong with it or if the mother doesn't want it?


I'm not saying you are wrong... I agree that hybrids should be prevented! Just trying to put the other side of the coin out there!



The very first sun x green cheek hybrid I saw is Coda. It took 9 years for his parents to produce him. The owners were told that the two could never hybridize, so what's the harm in allowing them to mate and produce eggs? The eggs will never hatch! But the entire breeding, laying, incubating and raising chicks is a part of the natural cycle. Why prevent the parents from laying on dud eggs? What harm could come from it??? And then there was Coda... a hybrid. A hybrid that wasn't supposed to be. He is the first, and hopefully, last hybrid chick of this pair. The owners, now understanding that hybrids are a possibility between these two species, is now trying to prevent any more hybrids from happening.

The first, and only, green cheek x nanday hybrid I know of came from a similar circumstance. Owners didn't know the two could hybridize and well, there's baby Miracle! This chick should also be the first, as well as last, hybrid between this pair.

First galatiel? Princess x scarlet chested? Mitred conure x blue front amazon? King parrot x rainbow lorikeet? Rosella x kakariki? Patagonian conure x green cheek conure? Probably all these hybrids and more were unexpected!



Most of the hybrids around today are born perfectly healthy without any birth defects, are fertile (hence multi-generation hybrids), and most still have the potential to live very long lives! I've seen photos of hybrids that are 30+ years old! I actually "met" someone (via internet) that has a 26 year old hybrid that is 1/4 crimson rosella, 1/4 eastern rosella and 1/2 mallee ringneck. Being a rosella x mallee ringneck hybrid, he is actually infertile, but besides that he's still healthy! He's actually older than I am! LOL




I am unaware of fertility between Pyrrhura x Large Conure hybrids, and I hope they are sterile! I also know that some of these hybrids may die early of cancer, may have birth deformities, etc. Parentage isn't close enough for healthy/normal offspring 100% of the time. Most hybrids that the parent species are closely related do end up perfectly healthy without any issues.




adellelauren, you may want to search the forums for some other conure hybrid owners, even if they might not be around anymore! I hope this little guy, or girl, is healthy without any issues! You'll have to let us know what he, or she is like in personality!

 

[Echo]

Yes I understand that birds of different species can bond and even mate. However, it doesn't mean you need to let them reproduce. There are fake eggs made for this purpose that you can just replace the clutch with. Why let them reproduce infertile babies who will have possible birth defects and shorter lifespan? It's not a matter of "poof", here it is! It's a question of ethics and responsibility toward the future of Aviculture. Breeders should be aware of this and I don't believe in "accident" breeding.

What if I were to counter and say who are you to decide the life of an unborn? Hybrid or not, it has occurred. Would you prevent the life of a bird simply because it's a hybrid? Or would you allow that egg to hatch because all life is precious???

It kind of comes down to a similar argument of Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice in women. Do you believe that all unborn life should have a chance of living? Or would it be best to destroy that life before it even has a chance to live if there's something even remotely wrong with it or if the mother doesn't want it?


I'm not saying you are wrong... I agree that hybrids should be prevented! Just trying to put the other side of the coin out there!



The very first sun x green cheek hybrid I saw is Coda. It took 9 years for his parents to produce him. The owners were told that the two could never hybridize, so what's the harm in allowing them to mate and produce eggs? The eggs will never hatch! But the entire breeding, laying, incubating and raising chicks is a part of the natural cycle. Why prevent the parents from laying on dud eggs? What harm could come from it??? And then there was Coda... a hybrid. A hybrid that wasn't supposed to be. He is the first, and hopefully, last hybrid chick of this pair. The owners, now understanding that hybrids are a possibility between these two species, is now trying to prevent any more hybrids from happening.

The first, and only, green cheek x nanday hybrid I know of came from a similar circumstance. Owners didn't know the two could hybridize and well, there's baby Miracle! This chick should also be the first, as well as last, hybrid between this pair.

First galatiel? Princess x scarlet chested? Mitred conure x blue front amazon? King parrot x rainbow lorikeet? Rosella x kakariki? Patagonian conure x green cheek conure? Probably all these hybrids and more were unexpected!



Most of the hybrids around today are born perfectly healthy without any birth defects, are fertile (hence multi-generation hybrids), and most still have the potential to live very long lives! I've seen photos of hybrids that are 30+ years old! I actually "met" someone (via internet) that has a 26 year old hybrid that is 1/4 crimson rosella, 1/4 eastern rosella and 1/2 mallee ringneck. Being a rosella x mallee ringneck hybrid, he is actually infertile, but besides that he's still healthy! He's actually older than I am! LOL




I am unaware of fertility between Pyrrhura x Large Conure hybrids, and I hope they are sterile! I also know that some of these hybrids may die early of cancer, may have birth deformities, etc. Parentage isn't close enough for healthy/normal offspring 100% of the time. Most hybrids that the parent species are closely related do end up perfectly healthy without any issues.




adellelauren, you may want to search the forums for some other conure hybrid owners, even if they might not be around anymore! I hope this little guy, or girl, is healthy without any issues! You'll have to let us know what he, or she is like in personality!

You're getting way out of hand with your pro-choice talk Monica. Why go there, really??? I'm talking about BREEDERS producing hybrid or people who are aware that their birds CAN produce hybrids and letting it happen, not some neighbor or Mr Schmock having 2 birds produce 1 clutch when they thought it impossible!

Here is MY example for you. My Lovebird is working REALLY hard to mate with my Pionus. Gets on her back and rub himself near her cloaca. Could she start laying eggs from all this stimulation? SURE! Would they be fertile? I sure as hell hope not! So would I let her sit on them??? Take a chance that the impossible might happen? Yes I would let her sit on them, however, I would take precautions so that in the INFINITE chance that they would be fertile at first, they would never be.

I would not take a chance playing with a new life just to see how cute a baby it would be. Or how long it would live. Or what new Species it would make. I just wouldn't. However, if I was careless and let it happen, sure I would love and cherish him to the rest of his days. And if he didn't have a healthy life, I would take the blame entirely. However, even if he did live a long healthy life by chance, I would still not encourage another to be born.
We have so many beautiful species, why create others?

How the hell did the pro-life/pro-choice in women come on this thread? REALLY not the place.

 

[adellelauren]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean for the thread to go this way.

 

[Echo]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean for the thread to go this way.

I'm sure you didn't!! sorry .
Be happy with your little guy. I don't have a conure hybrid but I'm sure people on the forum might and hopefully can share some experience with theirs. I will not say anything else about hybridization on your thread. He sure is a cutie!

 

[MonicaMc]

A fertile hybrid egg is still a life, just as an unborn human child is. That's all.


I was just pointing out that not all hybrids are intentional. Do I agree with people creating hybrids? No, but the life is already there. I wish people wouldn't hybridize, and it's a pet peeve of mine when people create hybrids unintentionally from similar looking species/subspecies and especially when the hybrids are sold as pures or look like a pure species. Still, hybrids fascinate me!

 

[SilverSage]

I think your new baby is cute, and I wish you a long, healthy, happy life together! I really hope that this somewhat controversial reaction doesn't scare you away from this site.

 

[adellelauren]

It hasn't scared me away.

 

[kiwiS]

I'm sure Kiwi is half sun....she sure has the vocal chords of one 0.0 !

 

[camptisam]

recreate the Carolina parakeet

Does anyone know of any mature hybrids between the sun conure group and the mitred conure group? I see pictures but no info on age of the bird. I want to know how they color up.

My crazy idea is to recreate the Carolina parakeet by hybridization and selective breeding. Start with a Jenday with a white beak. A really interesting DNA study published recently shows that the Carolina parakeet is most closely related to the sun conure + nanday conure group. But sun and nanday group birds all have the black beaks.

Of course there is no telling what a cross will produce, or how stable the results will be.

 

[MonicaMc]

Camptisam, the only sun x mitred I know about is Cricket. (and his siblings, I don't know who ended up with them)

Flickr: Search Hybrid Parrots


I don't have any new photos of him, but if he's alive, he should be quite mature now, around 6-7 years old maybe? And there is information in the images (if you click on them) about who owns him, or did own him. If you can manage to get in contact with her, she may be willing to provide more photos of him.



I've already heard rumours that someone is trying to recreate the carolina parakeet through hybridization, but I don't know who, nor have I seen any photos of the birds.