I have an appointment but need advise in the interim

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Okay, hopefully not a sad follow-up to last ask for help.

I finally got back from the hospital last night after 31 days. I'm exhausted but I'm doing what I can with the help that I got. I have a vet appointment and the Sanctuary is checking to see if there is a volunteer who can come out but I'm still worried and hoping for some advice.

Like my previous post stated, I got sick about 10ish weeks ago and I stopped doing the things I needed to keep the hormonees down. While I was in the hospital, my helper told me they thought she heads peeping and after a number of arial attacks for changing out food and water, they armored up and went to see what was going on. However long ago that was, there were only eggs, no babies.

We have two confirmed alive, what may be 3 hatched eggs (but no sign of skeletons or blood or anything, so not sure if it's just my eyes playing tricks on me), and 3 real eggs that after candling show that we're probably due for hatching over the next couple of weeks: one is full except for the air sac, one is still red at 50%, and one is at about 75% but dark.

I had ordered and easy-to-setup bird cam for my helper to put in the drawer so I could monitor the drawer before leaving but it never got installed until last night. Most of the stress with the camera for them is that they know it's there--it's new. So, I don't want to remove it in case something happens and it also makes me feel better that I can see them without being there. Should I remove it because it's causing some stress?

Mama Gerry is having no trouble staying on the nest. She is very diligent about making sure beaks that stick out get fed and tucked back in or readjusting so that everyone and everything gets covered. There weren't nearly as many shredded clothes as my helper made it out to be so I wanted to know if I should get some nesting material for them, especially since we have what appears to be 3 more on the way? Or should I leave it? I also have a space heater that is consistently keeping the room about 80° to help out. Gerry is extremely against the idea of even me going into the room to do anything so my hands, face, and neck have been under attack as I've gone in to do minimal things like delivering water, food, and snacks.* I don't want her to be stressed about the time away she spends anymore than she doesn't feel like she can keep them warm enough. I don't know if the few clothes she's gathered--not ripped up--is okay for all 5 of them without stressing her out even more. I do not know if my package with the nesting materials I ordered when she heard peeping got mixed up with some other stuff (I don't want to get into that) or it was stolen before my helper could bring it in.

Gerry came out for about a half hour last night to get a bath and scream at me (haha), and Papa Thommy is being very protective of her. Gerry came out a couple times for about 15 minutes each but she doesn't want me to touch her and she wouldn't eat anything just put out for her. Thommy is having no trouble eating. Gerry has no problem milking Thommy and Thommy is doing a great job trying to help feed the babies and can power feed Gerry for a solid 5 minutes (thus why I'm trying to keep quick but nutritional snacks in there for him to eat and digest in his crop for when Gerry needs a top-up. But I am worried that Gerry isn't eating much. I know she's getting food from Thommy but her crop doesn't look as full as I'm used to when she comes out. She won't take food from me and she's only eating a very little pellets and fruit when she's trying to keep me away from the dresser. I've put out all of her favorites except potato chips and it's been a no go.

My last concern deals with one of the babies (see pictures). Because either one of them is getting overfed and their crop may not be emptying, or the other one isn't getting fed. I *believe* the bigger one is older because I found one of the eggshells buried under some torn up seaweed mat strands with the fake egg I put in the drawer before I left. But they might be the same age and IDK if that means one is getting fed more than the other or something is wrong. I have an appointment but the vet does not do house calls. This means if something is wrong with either Gerry or the chick(s) I have to take *everyone* and this is probably going to give Gerry an absolute stroke. The vet tech is supposed to be checking to see if the vet will try to do it via video call but that, obviously, will not allow her to do a physical exam. If I'm going to risk the lives of both of the chicks, the three eggs, and the parronts, I need to be very sure that I need to take them on. Until I got sick, I was doing what I needed to to keep them from mating but when I got sick they were very quick and once I was out the house they immediately started laying eggs.

I wasn't prepared for this because I was very much trying to keep this from happening and didn't properly communicate to my helper more clear instructions about chanjng around the environment and keeping the macros/temperature low--and I take responsibility for that--but I need help because I don't want them to suffer my mistakes (which is why I'm paying for the vet instead of rent this week while I look for a new job [thank you Dollar Tree for firing me on Friday because I was hospitalized too long and couldn't get back to work in 3 days]). Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

The parronts otherwise seem to be doing well and good. They're both flying great still. They're both still very strong and their vocals are undiminished--especially when they're biting me and saying "Don't bite me" and "thank you." The babies are chirping every 30 minutes or less to get fed. Their parronts don't seem to spend much time preening them--just keeping them warm and feeding them.

*Without getting too far into my still undiagnosed condition, I'm doing things as my body will allow. I know I'm disturbing them more than they would like but I'm unfortunately unable to do all of the cleaning and prep for them at the same time. I'm only cleaning anything that is a biohazard or might attract pests at this time and leaving everything else so they don't have me in there all day and they can get some rest. My helper can still only come after work so I'm doing what I can as I can.
 

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I have absolutely no experience or expertise here, but... will this help?
Also, if you need a second pinion here is vet info.
Good luck.
I have no expertise but I wonder if this thread may help...
Also, here's a list of vets that might help.

Most of us swear by our avian vets in the event of health concerns.
Certified Avian Vets
If none are near you...
Avian Veterinarians
In my opinion, any of the vets listed here should be better than a regular vet.
International contacts, too.
 
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I have absolutely no experience or expertise here, but... will this help?
Also, if you need a second pinion here is vet info.
Good luck.
I have no expertise but I wonder if this thread may help...
Also, here's a list of vets that might help.

Most of us swear by our avian vets in the event of health concerns.
Certified Avian Vets
If none are near you...
Avian Veterinarians
In my opinion, any of the vets listed here should be better than a regular vet.
International contacts, too.
I have an appointment with a vet. Was just hoping someone could tell me in advance if what I was saying is worth picking then all up and risking the eggs and babies--especially since it looks like I might have another baby before next Friday.

(Our avian vet no longer does walk-ins or emergency visits because of the number of people who do them were clogging up the lobby and they couldn't seat paying customers...allegedly. We only have 1 in our State and then there are exotic vets otherwise but they also have no appointments. And I'm so leery of doing a walk-in with 2-3 babies and 2-3 eggs and 2 aggressive parronts to only chance being seen, if that makes sense.)

Thank you for the link
 
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I wanted to provide a better angle of the pot-bellied hatchling with the large crop and the smaller hatchling. Other than delivering food and changing out the camera, I'm trying to just leave them alone. I was able to snap a quick video of the one I'm concerned about but I can't upload the videos here--they're too large no matter what we do. There seems to be something white inside that is either broken or...fusing...or floating? Both pieces are mobile but IDK what they are. And I'm not sure if this is normal.

I was hoping someone who does this professionally or has done it before could weigh-in. The Sanctuary hasn't found anyone who has time to come out yet but they said they're going to let me know as soon as they do. And they're going to help me find homes for all of the babies (I don't want to sell them--I would rather they go to homes that have been pre-screened--because it just feels slimy to me because of how this happened). And if my medical issues haven't resolved, they've also started looking for a home for the two of them to stay together--because as much as I'll miss them, this should always be about what's best for them so I've also started the grieving process for maybe having ti regime them, as well.

It's a little hot today so Mama has mostly focused on incubating the eggs but the area the hatchlings are at is sitting between 78° and 85°. Mama was also sitting by the window so I cracked that open a little so she can get some natural sunlight (because I'm sure she prefers that to the bulb--where, if she wants an almond, she is enticed to sit within maximum effective range). Daddy gas spent most of his day away from the nest hunting chicken and corn from plates until I made him a second plate like the one in the bird room.
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The egg food they like also came in so they're gorging themselves on that. They're mostly sticking to the fresh fruit, egg food, diluted pure, no sugar added cranberry juice (one of the YouTubes I watched said that could help if there are any slow or sour crops), and whatever protein I offer when I go in. (Right now I'm making them a bone broth, chicken, turmeric, vegetable slurry to put into ice cubes because turmeric is supposed to help with any kind of candida overgrowth if they or the hatchlings has one.) One of the YouTubes also said that probiotics might help clear up slow or sour crop so I gave them some low sugar Icelandic Skyr this morning (and took it away after 30 minutes in case it got warm) because it is also high in protein and they really seemed to enjoy that more than the unflavored kefir I also keep around. I don't want to give them too much sugar or protein but Gerry really isn't eating much and her crop doesn't even really fill up even when Thommy does the 5-minute power infusion. I'm hoping the slurry cubes will help with balancing all of that out because that is something they like (and they have historically liked turmeric and pepper), and I'm sure they'll appreciate since the warm weather is so early this year. I was just happy to see Gerry eating something in a non-performative manner.

Again, thanks in advance for any advice. I know it's hard to do this over the internet but I'm hoping someone might be more experienced than accidental grand parrontage and can tell me if I need go brace myself for a loss because I can't get to the vet before next Friday or if it is worth uprooting all the eggs and babies and parronts to go. I'm so worried about doing the wrong thing. I know they've been doing this since they stopped being dinosaurs but if there's something I could/should be doing other than feeding them and giving them their space or something I shouldn't be doing, I'd really like to know. I didn't buy a brooder because I didn't want to take away the eggs and Gerry keep laying them (since they weren't fooled by the fake eggs that had a high rating on Amazon). But IDK if I should get them one now? Maybe just for the ride to the vet so there's less danger for the temps or so that the eggs are safer while the rest of us are at the vet? Any thoughts???


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I wanted to add Neville Longbottom* was hatched sometime between yesterday and the day before. Sometime after posting last, I lost sight of the third egg.

Mama is acting strange. She literally sanded off the top of the drawer so she could get behind it. She went missing on the camera, too, so I went to find her because I coould hear a bunch of banging on the wood. Before I did that I went to look for the other egg and she had wrapped him up several times in a piece of clothing--it took 3 turns to unwrap him! He was underneath the other 2 eggs and was hatched and peeping for help. Mama wouldn't come out from behind the drawer and Daddy wouldn't come back in the room for him so I did my best to just put him with the other two to stay warm.

Warm weather has definitely set in here so I hope it's that they're trying to get cooler so I've been putting more frozen vegetables in their breakfast plate a few times a day to cool them down with. I haven't turned the A/C on on that side of the house because I'm worried about the drafts causing the hatchlings problems. But should I? Is there an ambient temperature that becomes dangerous to both the parronts and hatchlings? Mama is mostly sitting on the eggs and occasionally sleeping on the hatchlings--usually at night.

The one I was worried about may be getting over fed. I've watched more than once Mama and Daddy fighting over who gets to feed him and seen more than once where they're both trying to feed him at the same time.

All three hatchlings now have a visible crop, and Junior definitely still has the biggest crop and pot belly. The crops on Rivali and Neville are notably smaller than Junior's. I don't know if this is something I should be worried about.

Both parronts are eating plenty of fruit and vegetables throughout the day, they're also eating pellets and almonds when I'm in the room. They also have (diluted) vitamin water (so they don't go into hyper vitaminosis as I've seen others worry about).

Does anyone know if this is normal behavior? Any of this? I really don't want to pick everyone up and put them in danger because of how fragile the babies are and feral the parronts have become since they didn't really have any interaction for over a month while I was in the hospital. I don't want to put them in more danger than necessary. And the vet is going to review my pictures and videos to see of she's willing to keep the appointment because of the same concerns. I was just hoping someone who knows something about this could weigh-in about insisting on the appointment or not.

Daddy has become very skittish
and any kind of loud sound or unexpected visual has him SCREAMING for help and flying off and I don't know how to help him. I've emailed my vet and she said that's unusual behavior for both parents, especially with a hatchling bring wrapped up like that.

Thanks in advance for any help or advice!

* His original name was Harry Potter because he was born in a basement and no one wants to take care kd him but I remembered HP's parents actually did love him and Neville had a complicated relationship with his parents and had to be cared for by his grandmother. I am that grandmother 😭
 

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