introducing mischief the galah—new health updates and concerns

Francie Mae

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Hey everyone,

For the sake of ensuring the important part of this message gets across, I’ll write the main point here: What is a possible cause for watery stool and sneezing? What’s the process of weaning a bird? At the end of the post I’ll attach pictures.

Okay, context, because it was really not my intention to bring home an unweaned bird, since everyone here advised me not to and I really wanted to do the right thing, even if it meant not bringing her home. I thought she was of the proper age and that we were fine to bring her home. It wasn’t until my dad went to pick up the bird that he was informed she was not weaned. Also, she was not from a breeder—she was being rehomed by a woman who decided she couldn’t take care of her, since she had upcoming travel. Kind of crazy to me because the bird is so young—she was only hatched 2/3 months ago, how could a person not be aware of imminent travel plans within that time frame? Why bring home a baby cockatoo at all?

Anyway. My dad brought her home. He has the formula and her feeding schedule; he’s been throwing himself into learning about weaning birds through videos, articles, and the likes. But that’s different from actual experience. He knows that weaning is not an easy task, but he said he just had such a bad feeling about the seller that made him not want to leave without Mischief (our baby’s name is Mischief, Missy for short). Besides, I don’t think the seller knew what she was doing, either, if it’s true what she said and a friend gave her the bird. For all I know she could’ve been lying, though. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, because it very well could’ve been the slight language barrier that made our exchange choppy (my mom’s parents don’t speak the best English either, so I’m partial towards that explanation in most cases) but I also want to take proper precautions in the case that there was some intentional misinformation going on. Plus, my dad has a lot of experience with animal handlers, so I also have respect for his intuition.

Missy is home, now. She chirps when we talk to her, and she reached her head forward towards my hand and cooed. Sometimes, though, she sort of whines—a drawn out whining chirp. I don’t know exactly what that means. I want to avoid making her nervous and possibly sick from anxiety; I can’t tell if she wants my company because she’s a baby without her flock, or if she’s overstimulated and needs to be alone. Her stools are very loose, sometimes literally just water. She’s also been sneezing. We had a vet appointment for Thursday at 4pm, but my dad found another one for tomorrow morning. She seems otherwise okay. There isn’t discharge around her nostrils or eyes, and she doesn’t appear lethargic. Hard to say for sure, though, because she’s in a new environment. I hear her chirping in the other room. Also, she doesn’t want her formula; I’ve bottle fed sickly kittens before, who are usually very adamant that they do not want formula and get it all over their faces and all over me, but parrots are not kittens.

If anyone has any tips or suggestions, I’d love to hear. All of us are more than willing to put in the time, work, and money to ensure her health. My parrot experience is limited, but I’ve fostered many kittens with severe illnesses who needed around the clock care. And while chickens and parrots are definitely different, so I can’t say my chicken knowledge will exactly come in handy, it took a lot of time and dedication to keep our newly hatched silkie chicks alive. I skipped out on seeing friends and sometimes even class to make sure they didn’t freeze or overheat. And my dad works from home (don’t get me wrong, he took great care of the chicks) but I wanted to be there myself). We can apply that same dedication to Mischief.

(Side note: I honestly have no idea how newly hatched chickens ever survive in the wild, especially chickens like Silkies. Absolutely no survival skills or temperature tolerance, let me tell you).

I also wanted to say thank you for all of the lovely messages I’ve gotten. It’s really made the grieving process easier to bear, and it’s helped my dad. After reading him some of your guys’ comments I visibly saw him look a little better, and that’s an amazing gift that I can’t express my gratitude for enough. I’m getting myself grief counseling; hopefully he will, too. I’ll live with the weight of the life Grim should’ve lived for the rest of mine, but I have the good memories of him, too. Thinking about him hanging upside down and yelling at us so we’d look at him brings me to tears, even as I write this, in both anguise and joy. His picture is in a locket that also has a picture of my childhood dog, which I wore for months after she passed, and am wearing again, now. I hope they’re together, somewhere.

As for Mischief, I want to be the best for her that I can be. I’ll keep you guys updated on the vet appointment, but if you have any thoughts in the meantime, I’d love to hear. I’m very grateful for you all💕

(In the pics she’s in Grim’s cage—it’s hers now, but my dad cleaned it following proper protocol and using the right materials so we can ensure she doesn’t have any chemical exposure from cleaning agents nor exposure to any of Grim’s potential germs. My dad was very paranoid about the whole process. The door Mischief’s cage is next to is not the door Grim flew out of; it’s a door we don’t open because the path it leads to is virtually useless, but sunlight comes through the window, which we wanted for Grim and want for her. Not featured in the pictures is her stool that’s just water; it’s colorless, at least that’s how it looks on the newspaper).
 

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Hey all, Francie’s dad here. Genuine thanks for all the support and advice everyone has provided, this is a wonderful group of people.

Quick addition to Francie’s post, as the bird is still being hand fed formula, perhaps that would account for the light colored feces? They are significantly watery as well, but clear.

As Francie said, we are going to an Avian vet in the morning and will provide updates as they come.
 
Hey all, Francie’s dad here. Genuine thanks for all the support and advice everyone has provided, this is a wonderful group of people.

Quick addition to Francie’s post, as the bird is still being hand fed formula, perhaps that would account for the light colored feces? They are significantly watery as well, but clear.

As Francie said, we are going to an Avian vet in the morning and will provide updates as they come.

Welcome aboard, @Pete M aka Francie's dad, it's good to have you here! I am not a bird breeder nor have I ever hand-raised a bird, but I would suggest that formula would result in rather loose stoolage. Others who are much more experienced that me will no doubt weigh in, but in the meantime here's a thread for your reference which may help. It's a bit heavy-going at the start but those parts are not relevant in all cases, but there is some valuable information contained within it, the link is below ...

So you bought an unweaned baby...

Again, welcome aboard and I wish you and Francie every success with Missy!
 
Welcome aboard, @Pete M aka Francie's dad, it's good to have you here! I am not a bird breeder nor have I ever hand-raised a bird, but I would suggest that formula would result in rather loose stoolage. Others who are much more experienced that me will no doubt weigh in, but in the meantime here's a thread for your reference which may help. It's a bit heavy-going at the start but those parts are not relevant in all cases, but there is some valuable information contained within it, the link is below ...

So you bought an unweaned baby...

Again, welcome aboard and I wish you and Francie every success with Missy!
Thank you so much. I’ve read through the post. If circumstances were different, I would not have brought home an unweaned chick. It’s not ideal at all, but we’re going to do everything that we can.
 
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Hey all, Francie’s dad here. Genuine thanks for all the support and advice everyone has provided, this is a wonderful group of people.

Quick addition to Francie’s post, as the bird is still being hand fed formula, perhaps that would account for the light colored feces? They are significantly watery as well, but clear.

As Francie said, we are going to an Avian vet in the morning and will provide updates as they come.
Please use a spoon not a syringe!
 
Watery poops are normal as long as the solid part is former. Formula contains a lot of water.

Get a gram scale and wrigh her every morning before feeding. She should gain most days.

Mix the formula fresh for each feeding using bottled water. Heat the formula to 100 to 105 F. Mix it really really well if you heat in microwave and check it's temp several times before feeding.

At this age the formula should be thick like thick pudding. Too thin and the baby won't gain weight. You can mix tiny pellets into the formula since you're weaning to get her used to the pellets.

Feed as much as she will eat without forcing her. Feeding with a syringe is dangerous if yore not an expert at handfeeding baby parrots. You can easily push too much food into her mouth and she can aspirate and die within a day or two. A spoon is much safer. Baby parrots eat right off the spoon.

Enjoy your baby! I love hand feeding baby birds. It's one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had. Incredible bonding. Take your time. She won't be a baby for long and you'll miss her babyhood when it's over.
 
Hey everyone,

For the sake of ensuring the important part of this message gets across, I’ll write the main point here: What is a possible cause for watery stool and sneezing? What’s the process of weaning a bird? At the end of the post I’ll attach pictures.

Okay, context, because it was really not my intention to bring home an unweaned bird, since everyone here advised me not to and I really wanted to do the right thing, even if it meant not bringing her home. I thought she was of the proper age and that we were fine to bring her home. It wasn’t until my dad went to pick up the bird that he was informed she was not weaned. Also, she was not from a breeder—she was being rehomed by a woman who decided she couldn’t take care of her, since she had upcoming travel. Kind of crazy to me because the bird is so young—she was only hatched 2/3 months ago, how could a person not be aware of imminent travel plans within that time frame? Why bring home a baby cockatoo at all?

Anyway. My dad brought her home. He has the formula and her feeding schedule; he’s been throwing himself into learning about weaning birds through videos, articles, and the likes. But that’s different from actual experience. He knows that weaning is not an easy task, but he said he just had such a bad feeling about the seller that made him not want to leave without Mischief (our baby’s name is Mischief, Missy for short). Besides, I don’t think the seller knew what she was doing, either, if it’s true what she said and a friend gave her the bird. For all I know she could’ve been lying, though. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, because it very well could’ve been the slight language barrier that made our exchange choppy (my mom’s parents don’t speak the best English either, so I’m partial towards that explanation in most cases) but I also want to take proper precautions in the case that there was some intentional misinformation going on. Plus, my dad has a lot of experience with animal handlers, so I also have respect for his intuition.

Missy is home, now. She chirps when we talk to her, and she reached her head forward towards my hand and cooed. Sometimes, though, she sort of whines—a drawn out whining chirp. I don’t know exactly what that means. I want to avoid making her nervous and possibly sick from anxiety; I can’t tell if she wants my company because she’s a baby without her flock, or if she’s overstimulated and needs to be alone. Her stools are very loose, sometimes literally just water. She’s also been sneezing. We had a vet appointment for Thursday at 4pm, but my dad found another one for tomorrow morning. She seems otherwise okay. There isn’t discharge around her nostrils or eyes, and she doesn’t appear lethargic. Hard to say for sure, though, because she’s in a new environment. I hear her chirping in the other room. Also, she doesn’t want her formula; I’ve bottle fed sickly kittens before, who are usually very adamant that they do not want formula and get it all over their faces and all over me, but parrots are not kittens.

If anyone has any tips or suggestions, I’d love to hear. All of us are more than willing to put in the time, work, and money to ensure her health. My parrot experience is limited, but I’ve fostered many kittens with severe illnesses who needed around the clock care. And while chickens and parrots are definitely different, so I can’t say my chicken knowledge will exactly come in handy, it took a lot of time and dedication to keep our newly hatched silkie chicks alive. I skipped out on seeing friends and sometimes even class to make sure they didn’t freeze or overheat. And my dad works from home (don’t get me wrong, he took great care of the chicks) but I wanted to be there myself). We can apply that same dedication to Mischief.

(Side note: I honestly have no idea how newly hatched chickens ever survive in the wild, especially chickens like Silkies. Absolutely no survival skills or temperature tolerance, let me tell you).

I also wanted to say thank you for all of the lovely messages I’ve gotten. It’s really made the grieving process easier to bear, and it’s helped my dad. After reading him some of your guys’ comments I visibly saw him look a little better, and that’s an amazing gift that I can’t express my gratitude for enough. I’m getting myself grief counseling; hopefully he will, too. I’ll live with the weight of the life Grim should’ve lived for the rest of mine, but I have the good memories of him, too. Thinking about him hanging upside down and yelling at us so we’d look at him brings me to tears, even as I write this, in both anguise and joy. His picture is in a locket that also has a picture of my childhood dog, which I wore for months after she passed, and am wearing again, now. I hope they’re together, somewhere.

As for Mischief, I want to be the best for her that I can be. I’ll keep you guys updated on the vet appointment, but if you have any thoughts in the meantime, I’d love to hear. I’m very grateful for you all💕

(In the pics she’s in Grim’s cage—it’s hers now, but my dad cleaned it following proper protocol and using the right materials so we can ensure she doesn’t have any chemical exposure from cleaning agents nor exposure to any of Grim’s potential germs. My dad was very paranoid about the whole process. The door Mischief’s cage is next to is not the door Grim flew out of; it’s a door we don’t open because the path it leads to is virtually useless, but sunlight comes through the window, which we wanted for Grim and want for her. Not featured in the pictures is her stool that’s just water; it’s colorless, at least that’s how it looks on the newspaper).
Hey, just wanted to share my opinion on the topic.

I used to have a cockatoo, and he was fed 'black' sunflower seeds by the breeeder when he sold it to us. And after the bird passed, the vet also told us that the bird had metal poisioning (we didn't allow any exposure towards toys with metal). But, when my mum and I didn't realise he was sick, he would come to us, make a similar drawn out whining noise and give us his head to pat. Note that we hadn't had any experience with him and he was usually extremely aggro towards us, before he randomly started doing this. Not to panic you or anything, but I would suggest a vet visit (especially due to the bird being unweaned and the poop being liquid). Also ask the breeder what they fed the bird prior to you bringing it home.

Cheers,
Vishnu
 
Hey all, Francie’s dad here. Genuine thanks for all the support and advice everyone has provided, this is a wonderful group of people.

Quick addition to Francie’s post, as the bird is still being hand fed formula, perhaps that would account for the light colored feces? They are significantly watery as well, but clear.

As Francie said, we are going to an Avian vet in the morning and will provide updates as they come.
Just noticed this reply, but the liquid poop could be due to the formula being fed. My ekkie's poop looks pretty similar (I'm currently hand raising him)
 
Baby bird poop looks so much like formula in a pool of liquid that I've wondered if they are digesting and getting any nutrients out of it but my babies grew very well. They were enthusiastic eaters but despite their poop looking like formula they never ate their poop.

I've noticed that when I'm feeding a baby formula, if some falls on the paper towel they're on while I'm feeding, they never try to eat what falls. They always want it from the spoon. Maybe that's why they don't eat their poop. I'll bet if I scooped the poop onto a spoon they'd eat it, but NO, I would try it. Weaning happens when a baby will eat without it being fed to him. You can't give an unweaned baby formula in a dish and expect him to eat it.
 

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