Misinformation about seeds

LoveMyFids

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I can 100% tell you. I had a budgie for 5-6 years named Petals and fed her seeds for 3 or 4 years yes it was stupid, yes, I screwed up blame it on tween stupidity. I can 100% guarantee that contributed to her early death. I'm not saying seeds are bad heck I use them as training treats, they work amazing BUT. In some birds' diets, they do need seeds in their diet not a bunch. But hey if you want comparisons how's this for you? It's the equivalent of a human eating potato chips for breakfast lunch and dinner is it healthy? Certainly not, but is it going to kill you super-fast? No ofc not, is it going to decrease your life span and make u feel super crappy sluggish, and fat? Yeah, probably personally I wouldn't want that happening to my babies they are everything to me it's just weighing the pros and cons, and honestly feeding all seeds has way more cons than pros. But hey I'm just a teenager what do I know right? I'm so sorry for getting so riled up but this is something I'm passionate about after what happened to my baby girl. So, from someone who learned the hard way you're better off doing it right the first time before you have to put yourself through stupid depressing grueling heartache all because you refused to feed your birds anything other than seeds. Because it was so-called "natural".
YES. Let's all be honest though-we have probably ALL done this, especially years ago when there wasn't info. going around about seed diets! We all assumed seed diets were fine, because look at all the seed mixes available that every pet store carries. We all assumed this was what we are supposed to be feeding our birds. I did the same as a teenager when I had a Nanday Conure. Sure, we gave it veggies daily (but not a huge variety honestly) & it's diet was a seed mix that included some pellets in it, but it was predominantly seeds. I knew no better. My parents knew no better. Nobody told me otherwise. Most of us were never informed & just did what we assumed was correct. All the seed mixes back then had sunflower seeds in them too. I don't think they even made a safflower one that I ever saw. So, to shame those that did this is kind of silly IMO. These days, the info. is out there & we know better (if we choose to get educated on it), so that's a good thing. A high carb/high fat diet (predominantly seeds) will raise cholesterol over the years just like in people & cause arterial & heart disease & high blood pressure. It usually doesn't present until they are well into adulthood, as you won't see symptoms. It's a silent killer, just as it is in humans. Once you begin to see symptoms (like being winded on flying/exercise), it is usually progressed. That's why it's so important to get a full blood panel & check up on your bird w/an avian vet. Yes, it is expensive, but if you have a bird that is several yrs. old & you never have-DO IT! Catching it early is key & you can actually lower their cholesterol with an adjusted diet & additional exercise. That worked for one of my birds. His cholesterol is still high, but it's getting closer to borderline high now & has improved quite a bit. His high cholesterol is a result of too many nuts & high carb foods like corn, pasta & potatoes in those heat up mash treats & perhaps a bit too much seed over many years. It didn't present until he was around 14. As birds get older, their metabolisms change just like in people. SOME species seem to not be able to burn off & process things efficiently like they did when they were younger. I am seeing this now with all of my older birds. I am adjusting their diets now & they are doing better & visually feeling better from what I can tell. They are doing better on less seed, less pellets & more veggies.
 

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YES. Let's all be honest though-we have probably ALL done this, especially years ago when there wasn't info. going around about seed diets! We all assumed seed diets were fine, because look at all the seed mixes available that every pet store carries. We all assumed this was what we are supposed to be feeding our birds. I did the same as a teenager when I had a Nanday Conure. Sure, we gave it veggies daily (but not a huge variety honestly) & it's diet was a seed mix that included some pellets in it, but it was predominantly seeds. I knew no better. My parents knew no better. Nobody told me otherwise. Most of us were never informed & just did what we assumed was correct. All the seed mixes back then had sunflower seeds in them too. I don't think they even made a safflower one that I ever saw. So, to shame those that did this is kind of silly IMO. These days, the info. is out there & we know better (if we choose to get educated on it), so that's a good thing. A high carb/high fat diet (predominantly seeds) will raise cholesterol over the years just like in people & cause arterial & heart disease & high blood pressure. It usually doesn't present until they are well into adulthood, as you won't see symptoms. It's a silent killer, just as it is in humans. Once you begin to see symptoms (like being winded on flying/exercise), it is usually progressed. That's why it's so important to get a full blood panel & check up on your bird w/an avian vet. Yes, it is expensive, but if you have a bird that is several yrs. old & you never have-DO IT! Catching it early is key & you can actually lower their cholesterol with an adjusted diet & additional exercise. That worked for one of my birds. His cholesterol is still high, but it's getting closer to borderline high now & has improved quite a bit. His high cholesterol is a result of too many nuts & high carb foods like corn, pasta & potatoes in those heat up mash treats & perhaps a bit too much seed over many years. It didn't present until he was around 14. As birds get older, their metabolisms change just like in people. SOME species seem to not be able to burn off & process things efficiently like they did when they were younger. I am seeing this now with all of my older birds. I am adjusting their diets now & they are doing better & visually feeling better from what I can tell. They are doing better on less seed, less pellets & more veggies.
You couldent have said it any better 👍
 

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YES. Let's all be honest though-we have probably ALL done this, especially years ago when there wasn't info. going around about seed diets! We all assumed seed diets were fine, because look at all the seed mixes available that every pet store carries. We all assumed this was what we are supposed to be feeding our birds. I did the same as a teenager when I had a Nanday Conure. Sure, we gave it veggies daily (but not a huge variety honestly) & it's diet was a seed mix that included some pellets in it, but it was predominantly seeds. I knew no better. My parents knew no better. Nobody told me otherwise. Most of us were never informed & just did what we assumed was correct. All the seed mixes back then had sunflower seeds in them too. I don't think they even made a safflower one that I ever saw. So, to shame those that did this is kind of silly IMO. These days, the info. is out there & we know better (if we choose to get educated on it), so that's a good thing. A high carb/high fat diet (predominantly seeds) will raise cholesterol over the years just like in people & cause arterial & heart disease & high blood pressure. It usually doesn't present until they are well into adulthood, as you won't see symptoms. It's a silent killer, just as it is in humans. Once you begin to see symptoms (like being winded on flying/exercise), it is usually progressed. That's why it's so important to get a full blood panel & check up on your bird w/an avian vet. Yes, it is expensive, but if you have a bird that is several yrs. old & you never have-DO IT! Catching it early is key & you can actually lower their cholesterol with an adjusted diet & additional exercise. That worked for one of my birds. His cholesterol is still high, but it's getting closer to borderline high now & has improved quite a bit. His high cholesterol is a result of too many nuts & high carb foods like corn, pasta & potatoes in those heat up mash treats & perhaps a bit too much seed over many years. It didn't present until he was around 14. As birds get older, their metabolisms change just like in people. SOME species seem to not be able to burn off & process things efficiently like they did when they were younger. I am seeing this now with all of my older birds. I am adjusting their diets now & they are doing better & visually feeling better from what I can tell. They are doing better on less seed, less pellets & more veggies.
I've put my conure on a diet of unlimited veggies, 1 tsp pellets and 1 tsp of seeds a day, plus some of one of those veggie and rice mixes with egg and herbs and spices once a week and she's been thriving. Before this she was extremely hormonal for three years, and I tried everything but it didn't work. I had to completely cut all seeds from her diet and give her only pellets and chop to calm her down and now I've reintroduced some seeds and she's fine with them now, but I'll never give her more than what she's getting now.

I'd love to time travel ten years into the future to see what people are feeding their birds then. There's not nearly enough research in avian diets at the moment I don't think, especially when compared to the amount of research that cats and dogs have had. But even with all of their research you still get arguments in their diets so maybe more research won't help at all!
 
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I'd love to time travel ten years into the future to see what people are feeding their birds then
By then humans will be eating processed foods like pellets in the belief that it is better than organic food as well...
Who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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Greenhouseparrots

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Crimson bellied conure- Tequila
Greencheek conure- Sierra
Pearled cockatiel- Malibu
Cockatiel- Volkan
Yellow budgies- Pina Colada and Houdini
Blue budgie- Lightning
White and blue budgie- Ciroc
By then humans will be eating processed foods like pellets in the belief that it is better than organic food as well...
Who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️
I'm about to upset you because I actually drink those huel shakes about twice a day and have done for about five years now! I eat a main meal of organic meat and then as many vegetables as I can fit in along with a smoothie as well each day, and then something smaller with some fruit if I'm hungry. I just don't have the money and time to be able to cook all of my meals from scratch as I work a full time job, a part time job and then look after my birds on top of that, and I don't live with my boyfriend so I have to make time for him, and I'm close with my family so I have to make time to see them and do things with them too, and I have to make sure I eat well as I have celiac disease and even on a gluten free diet I have ongoing problems with anaemia and other vitamin deficiencies. Having the huel shakes means I don't have to take loads of extra supplements daily, or go crazy trying to cook three meals from scratch. I also have a slight eating disorder (because food made me sick for so long, literally everything I ate made my stomach and throat ache from the gluten), and sometimes I can't force myself to eat so those shakes are very handy.

Ideally I would love to eat a fully organic and made from scratch diet, and I have tried it many times over the years, but I just can't keep it up unfortunately, and even when I had the time it wasn't working that well and I still had to take loads of supplements to feel okay and be able to do things.
 

LoveMyFids

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I've put my conure on a diet of unlimited veggies, 1 tsp pellets and 1 tsp of seeds a day, plus some of one of those veggie and rice mixes with egg and herbs and spices once a week and she's been thriving. Before this she was extremely hormonal for three years, and I tried everything but it didn't work. I had to completely cut all seeds from her diet and give her only pellets and chop to calm her down and now I've reintroduced some seeds and she's fine with them now, but I'll never give her more than what she's getting now.

I'd love to time travel ten years into the future to see what people are feeding their birds then. There's not nearly enough research in avian diets at the moment I don't think, especially when compared to the amount of research that cats and dogs have had. But even with all of their research you still get arguments in their diets so maybe more research won't help at all!
Yes, now that my birds are older (18 & 15) I have done the same. Twice as much veggies & greens, & only 1 tsp. seed & a couple tsp. of pellets. I only give them the pellets in the evening, so by late morning they are gone. Then it's just veggies during the day, so they eat most of that. I have definitely seen improvement in them both when it comes to hormones & overall behavior.
 

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5) The vast majority of pellet diets consist largely of corn and soy and have sugar and artificial flavors and colors. These are not a natural part of the diet for most of our pet birds’ wild counterparts. Interestingly, the highest quality pellets like Tops and Harrison’s actually contain large amounts of ground seeds, including the often vilified millet and sunflower seeds.
Everything you wrote is spot on but I found #5 epic foods in a way because (as a new black-capped conner owner) I keep reading "do, don't" when it comes to foods. And millet and sunflower seeds are the most often (and soy) vilified, but like you said, the top pellet companies recommended everywhere literally have them as their first few ingredients.
 

LoveMyFids

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Everything you wrote is spot on but I found #5 epic foods in a way because (as a new black-capped conner owner) I keep reading "do, don't" when it comes to foods. And millet and sunflower seeds are the most often (and soy) vilified, but like you said, the top pellet companies recommended everywhere literally have them as their first few ingredients.
Yes, & I really wish more companies would create a better pellet! I assume this is because corn & soy are cheaper filler ingredients, but it's not something to feed a bird daily for the rest of their lives IMO, nor would it be for any animal or human.
 

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