My Conure makes this sound
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This seems like a baby begging for food , as are the wing twitches. As 8 weeks is just an average on weaning and some take longer or relapse when taken to a new home, yiu need to ensure he us eating enough. Are the poops having a good amount if fecal matter? Does he poop several times a day?
Yiu need to get a digital kitchen gram scale and weigh every day for a while . First thing in morning after the big morning poop us best fir true weight. You may need to get baby bird hand feeding formula and offer.
Just because he us playing with food and eating he still may not be eating enough.
Or this us just because he is still do young. But carefully monitor, check weights and poop, keep an eye on him this us still a bsby burd.
Yiu need to get a digital kitchen gram scale and weigh every day for a while . First thing in morning after the big morning poop us best fir true weight. You may need to get baby bird hand feeding formula and offer.
Just because he us playing with food and eating he still may not be eating enough.
Or this us just because he is still do young. But carefully monitor, check weights and poop, keep an eye on him this us still a bsby burd.
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I am not an expert but am wondering if it could be a complaining sounds about something that's bothering her?
just make sure enough food. Usually this is asking for a feeding. Babies this young also need more contact time, more attention, as tgey would be getting from parents and siblings. It promote confidence, well being, better eating ect. This pre and post weaning is so important to the rest of the birds life. Its ability to cope with stress, snd challenges, confidence, intelligence, all come from being g weaned by abundance, and being guided abd support and extra hands on time.
Parents never want baby birds to be begging and drawing attention in the wild. So when you see your baby bird wing twitching and vocalization fir food or attention, then its already gone to long without.
Meeting these needs helps prevent later behavior issues like plucking, " gkighty/fearful " and more.
I will look for some of my links.
Parents never want baby birds to be begging and drawing attention in the wild. So when you see your baby bird wing twitching and vocalization fir food or attention, then its already gone to long without.
Meeting these needs helps prevent later behavior issues like plucking, " gkighty/fearful " and more.
I will look for some of my links.
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Here, I will link the article it is from. Pamela Clark is well respected with decades of experience with behavior and health of parrots.
"Hunger = Anxiety = Stress
One of the most powerful tools for reducing stress in a young parrot is to feed him warm, soft, nutritious food from a spoon at least once every day. Most hand-reared parrots were never spoon fed when young, since the practice of using a syringe is so popular, but they can learn to enjoy this if the owner is willing to be persistent about offering it on a nightly basis.
The majority of parrots reared for sale by breeders or pet stores are weaned too early, in addition to being deprived of the fledging experience. Early weaning helps to insure an early sale, which maximizes profits. In order to accomplish this, the hand-feeder eliminates feedings according to an arbitrary schedule that will insure that the young parrot is weaned as early as possible. The huge problem with this practice is that hunger and anxiety become closely linked in the minds of baby parrots.
In the wild, no adult parrot wants a chick to be calling for food because this elicits the attention of predators. Babies are fed constantly, rarely ever wanting for food for long. Further, as more breeders allow their pairs to raise their young through weaning and fledging, observations accumulate that prove what we long suspected … that adult parrots will continue to feed their chicks even after they are weaned, apparently to provide reassurance or nurturing if the chick encounters a frightening experience as it becomes more independent. The chick not only does not experience hunger, but it receives feedings even when it only needs to be nurtured or reassured.
Contrast this reality with the common rearing practice of eliminating feedings according to a schedule, which can leave a parrot chick hungry for hours at a time, as he learns to manipulate food in order to feed himself. Further, to compound the anxiety caused by the hunger that he instinctively understands to be unnatural, he also receives no feedings simply for the purpose of reassurance as he meets the challenges of life in a pet store or new home. Thus, hunger and anxiety become inextricably and forever linked in the mind of the parrot.
I believe this is why so many adult parrots do not eat well when feeling anxious. In more consulting cases than I care to count, close questioning reveals a pattern of eating that results in a hungry bird. An anxious young parrot will eat enough to keep himself alive and maintain his weight, but will not eat enough to reach satiety, the point that usually brings a greater sense of relaxation. In many cases, a young bird weaned through deprivation weaning techniques will become food independent, but will have a permanent behavioral disability as a result.
Whenever circumstances cause anxiety for such a bird, he eats less than normal. This results in an edge of hunger, which causes more anxiety, which results in poorer eating habits. This is one reason why anxiety can be so difficult to overcome in parrots, and the key can be to simply feed them a supplemental meal by spoon. Such feeding not only results in a full crop of warm food, which results in a decrease of anxiety and greater relaxation, but it appears to trigger on an instinctive level, a feeling of being nurtured and safe."
https://lafeber.com/pet-birds/stress-reduction-for-parrot-companions/
Also because fledging takes place now, and is huge in the physical development of the body, and mental development learning to fly is critical. As adults they dont have that drive to over come fear of falling, and they have already fallen so much and it hurts, so they have fear , fear to even jump between wide perches, snd difficulty learning to fly well...
https://www.windycityparrot.com/blog/2010/04/13/flight-important-parrots/#ixzz62HloSvKV
"Hunger = Anxiety = Stress
One of the most powerful tools for reducing stress in a young parrot is to feed him warm, soft, nutritious food from a spoon at least once every day. Most hand-reared parrots were never spoon fed when young, since the practice of using a syringe is so popular, but they can learn to enjoy this if the owner is willing to be persistent about offering it on a nightly basis.
The majority of parrots reared for sale by breeders or pet stores are weaned too early, in addition to being deprived of the fledging experience. Early weaning helps to insure an early sale, which maximizes profits. In order to accomplish this, the hand-feeder eliminates feedings according to an arbitrary schedule that will insure that the young parrot is weaned as early as possible. The huge problem with this practice is that hunger and anxiety become closely linked in the minds of baby parrots.
In the wild, no adult parrot wants a chick to be calling for food because this elicits the attention of predators. Babies are fed constantly, rarely ever wanting for food for long. Further, as more breeders allow their pairs to raise their young through weaning and fledging, observations accumulate that prove what we long suspected … that adult parrots will continue to feed their chicks even after they are weaned, apparently to provide reassurance or nurturing if the chick encounters a frightening experience as it becomes more independent. The chick not only does not experience hunger, but it receives feedings even when it only needs to be nurtured or reassured.
Contrast this reality with the common rearing practice of eliminating feedings according to a schedule, which can leave a parrot chick hungry for hours at a time, as he learns to manipulate food in order to feed himself. Further, to compound the anxiety caused by the hunger that he instinctively understands to be unnatural, he also receives no feedings simply for the purpose of reassurance as he meets the challenges of life in a pet store or new home. Thus, hunger and anxiety become inextricably and forever linked in the mind of the parrot.
I believe this is why so many adult parrots do not eat well when feeling anxious. In more consulting cases than I care to count, close questioning reveals a pattern of eating that results in a hungry bird. An anxious young parrot will eat enough to keep himself alive and maintain his weight, but will not eat enough to reach satiety, the point that usually brings a greater sense of relaxation. In many cases, a young bird weaned through deprivation weaning techniques will become food independent, but will have a permanent behavioral disability as a result.
Whenever circumstances cause anxiety for such a bird, he eats less than normal. This results in an edge of hunger, which causes more anxiety, which results in poorer eating habits. This is one reason why anxiety can be so difficult to overcome in parrots, and the key can be to simply feed them a supplemental meal by spoon. Such feeding not only results in a full crop of warm food, which results in a decrease of anxiety and greater relaxation, but it appears to trigger on an instinctive level, a feeling of being nurtured and safe."
https://lafeber.com/pet-birds/stress-reduction-for-parrot-companions/
Also because fledging takes place now, and is huge in the physical development of the body, and mental development learning to fly is critical. As adults they dont have that drive to over come fear of falling, and they have already fallen so much and it hurts, so they have fear , fear to even jump between wide perches, snd difficulty learning to fly well...
https://www.windycityparrot.com/blog/2010/04/13/flight-important-parrots/#ixzz62HloSvKV
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Developmental Factors
Many psittacine offspring have relatively long infancies. Weaning may require up to a year in some species, increasing the requirements for parental care (Doane and Qualkinbush, 1994). The detrimental effects of early maternal deprivation on neural development and adult functioning are well-documented in primate species (Ruppenthal et al., 1976; Suomi et al., 1976).
Captive psittacine breeding programs have historically involved removal of the newly hatched birds from their parents and hand weaning by humans, due to the notion that this practice produces better quality pet birds. However, the rearing of baby birds by human surrogates may not be sufficient for the development of healthy adult coping skills and stress responses. The justifications for the practice of hand weaning are beginning to be questioned and alternatives considered.
Aengus and Millam (1999) studied the effects of neonatal handling of parent-raised orange-winged Amazon parrots. One group was handled daily for 10 to 30 minutes from day 10 to fledging. The control group was handled only to obtain their weights. There were significant differences in tameness between these groups, documenting that tameness toward humans is possible for parent-raised birds that are exposed to human handling. Sensitive periods for socialization to humans need to be determined.
There may be effective interventions for individuals that were deprived of maternal care. Bredy et al. (2003) evaluated the effects of environmental enrichment in rats that were deprived of early maternal care and found that peripubertal enrichment did compensate for some of the effects of early maternal deprivation. Francis et al. (2002) also found that environmental enrichment helped to compensate for the negative effects of postnatal maternal separation
Many psittacine offspring have relatively long infancies. Weaning may require up to a year in some species, increasing the requirements for parental care (Doane and Qualkinbush, 1994). The detrimental effects of early maternal deprivation on neural development and adult functioning are well-documented in primate species (Ruppenthal et al., 1976; Suomi et al., 1976).
Captive psittacine breeding programs have historically involved removal of the newly hatched birds from their parents and hand weaning by humans, due to the notion that this practice produces better quality pet birds. However, the rearing of baby birds by human surrogates may not be sufficient for the development of healthy adult coping skills and stress responses. The justifications for the practice of hand weaning are beginning to be questioned and alternatives considered.
Aengus and Millam (1999) studied the effects of neonatal handling of parent-raised orange-winged Amazon parrots. One group was handled daily for 10 to 30 minutes from day 10 to fledging. The control group was handled only to obtain their weights. There were significant differences in tameness between these groups, documenting that tameness toward humans is possible for parent-raised birds that are exposed to human handling. Sensitive periods for socialization to humans need to be determined.
There may be effective interventions for individuals that were deprived of maternal care. Bredy et al. (2003) evaluated the effects of environmental enrichment in rats that were deprived of early maternal care and found that peripubertal enrichment did compensate for some of the effects of early maternal deprivation. Francis et al. (2002) also found that environmental enrichment helped to compensate for the negative effects of postnatal maternal separation
This is hard to say. Were you told this baby was weaned when you got it? Or that you would have to wean? Have you hand fed before? Have started weight checks? Is he loosing weight?
You are right at the cusp...
I would hand feed in the morning first thing , and an hour before bedtime. And any other time you see him beg. Follow the guidelines on the container. You can try getting a feeding spoon, if by syringe be careful. Temperature is important. Fir my adult birds im hand feeding from being sick, I keep my container of formula in a bigger bowl with hit water. To keep it from cooling down to fast.
Hopefully he will only want a little support feedings, abd then is soon fully weaned
Ok, I'd keep offering it till she refuses. They can backslid from fully weaned to needing support when going to a new home, especially at 8 weeks .
Hopefully a feeding first thing in the morning, and a comfort one before bed will be all she needs. But if you have calling and wing flips and head bobs offer a little then.
Maybe a few days or a week she will be past this.
How long have you had her?
Hopefully a feeding first thing in the morning, and a comfort one before bed will be all she needs. But if you have calling and wing flips and head bobs offer a little then.
Maybe a few days or a week she will be past this.
How long have you had her?
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It has been just 3 days since I got her.
Oh my! Ok hopefully a little support feedings till she gets adjusted and she might be good to go!
Congratulations on your new girl.
This is the best time to offer lots if different foods snd texture . Right after a morning support feeding she will be most willing to try new stuff. Seeds weird I know that when they have a full belly they will explore new foods but its well documented. At first all veggies should be cut up to pea size . Be sure and offer some cooked legume you make from dried beans never canned, a little boiled egg, some cooked quinoa, your pellets maybe softened with a little warm water, just lots if different foods. They are programed to explore foods at this age.
Good luck , lots if picture and updates! Keep an eye on poop and weight
Congratulations on your new girl.
This is the best time to offer lots if different foods snd texture . Right after a morning support feeding she will be most willing to try new stuff. Seeds weird I know that when they have a full belly they will explore new foods but its well documented. At first all veggies should be cut up to pea size . Be sure and offer some cooked legume you make from dried beans never canned, a little boiled egg, some cooked quinoa, your pellets maybe softened with a little warm water, just lots if different foods. They are programed to explore foods at this age.
Good luck , lots if picture and updates! Keep an eye on poop and weight
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Yes. after her morning hand feed. She is not begging for food any more. She had corn, peas and carrots.
Lisa999
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She is so adorable!
