My Heart is Breaking Again!

I have the same question as Christine...hopefully Sally will learn to adjust to the loss of the toe without much loss of perch agility ...Get Well soon Sally you are lucky you have such an attentive Daddy to take care of you :)
 
That poor,poor girl! :17: :17:. We all love you Sally and are sending our best wishes/prayers,to you and your Dad :o



Jim
 
Mark, I'm just seeing this thread, now. I am so sorry that Sally is going through this, but it's good that they were at least able to save her foot.

As I have been reading through this thread, I've been struck by the similarities to what my ekkie girl Maya has been going through. Here's a link to the thread: http://www.parrotforums.com/eclectus/61889-okay-let-s-talk-abv-pdd-toe-tapping.html.

Long story short, Maya presented with non-diet related toe-tap as well as a nerve sensation that was causing her to gnaw at her feet. We caught it before the gnawing got too bad, but they were really raw.

The vet explained that there was a relatively new theory that toe-tap wasn't always diet-related. That sometimes it was the neurological effect of an illness attacking the peripheral nervous system. This illness is related to PDD, but instead of attacking the proventriculus and other parts of the autonomic nervous system, it attacks the aforementioned peripheral nervous system.

I mention this because, while toe-tapping is specific to ekkies, this illness is not. And here's the kicker. This particular relative of PDD has flare-ups that are triggered by stressors such as infections or severe hormonal spikes. In Maya's case, it was infection. And when these flare-ups hit, they are treated with an antibiotic to take care of the underlying infection (or hormone therapy for hormonal stress), anti-inflammatory medication to take care of the inflammation in the legs, and a nerve medication to suppress the tingling in the feet.

Sounds enough like what you're going through with Sally to merit a talk with your vet, I'd think.

Since treating Maya, her symptoms have disappeared. But if ever she gets another infection, I know to be on the lookout for another flare-up.
 
Yeah. I read your post with interest.

And there are a actually several different types of infections that are particular to zons that can trigger a neurological effect, and that's why zons are the most prone to mutilating their own feet...

If you have a zon that OUT OF THE BLUE starts picking at his feet, and you've done the normal grooming (i.e. assumes that the toenails aren't so overgrown that they're causing problems...) then step one is to get a CBC panel done.

Unfortunately, I learned this lesson the hard way. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO SIGN OF INFECTION... NONE! Her appetite was normal. Her behavior was more or less normal, just hormonal... her weight was fine. NOTHING!

Until she started tearing up her own feet... all this happened within the space of ONE FRIGGIN' DAY... Like 12 to 18 hours... so yeah, sudden onset.
 
Can I ask if the vet was able to determine what type of infection it was or the root cause?


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Very sorry to hear Sally needs another surgery. I hope she maintains a high degree of mobility and steadiness, and is able to ward off future such infections.
 
I'm so sorry!!! First Maggie, now this. Lots for prayers for Maggie, Sally and you.

I guess when it rains it really does pour.
 
Sorry for my delayed response to this thread (family emergency the past week). I was sad to hear of your current troubles with Sally. I have learned a lot from reading this thread though, so thank you for sharing your information. I'm hoping you have good news to report in the coming weeks as she heals and gets back to normal. I've known lots of birds missing toes and they seem to do just fine. Glad you caught it quickly.
 
Can I ask if the vet was able to determine what type of infection it was or the root cause?


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No. We didn't do any additional testing. She was responding to the antibiotics... and she's already been through surgery, and follow up care. I don't want to stress her any more than is necessary right now.
 
It's good to hear that Sally is home and on the mend now. Scary how it happened out of the blue. I hope you (and she) never have to go through anything like this again. Is she able to get around as normal now without having to fashion any handicap perches for her?
 
Thanks for sharing , Mark. Sorry we all had to learn at Sally's expense and suffering. I'm sure you are taking good care of her, give a special treat to her from all of us.
 
Do you have time for an update, BirdMan, please?
 
She gets her toe amputated on Tuesday... IT'S BLACK!

She's very clingy. She's obviously in pain on that foot.

Nothing to update. I love her, and my heart is breaking that this has to happen.
 
I find myself thinking of you two very often.
I know without question that a lot of good thoughts, best wishes and prayers are going out to you from all of us.
xo
Gail and RB
 
I'm late to this thread but I'm so sorry that you and Sally are going through this. I'm glad to know she's improving and you found the cause. I hope she adjusts well after her surgery.
 
Aww Sally...my thoughts and prayers to you both.
 
You're in my thoughts Mark. You have had such a heartbreaking and emotionally traumatic time lately.
 
My vet's office just called me. They're canceling the surgery for tomorrow. She wants to talk to me about the test results first. So something might be up.
 
My vet's office just called me. They're canceling the surgery for tomorrow. She wants to talk to me about the test results first. So something might be up.


I hope she is going to talk to you today, even if it is late.


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Oh Mark, I'm really on pins and needles here for you reading this! I hope the news is nothing terrible. This sucks that you have to be at work too, I feel for you. Hang on.
 

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