charmedbyekkie
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I'm always on the look out for new things to teach Cairo. He's a very fast learner - it's just a matter of whether or not his teacher (yours truly) is any good at teaching As a result, I like exploring new approaches to training. You can get a bird to wave, but there are many ways to teach it. I know Salty learned a very different way than Cairo did, but hey, it works for both of them
So I stumbled across this: https://myreadingpets.com/
Now, I'm not going to expect Cairo to learn to read. I'm just hoping to give him an easier way to communicate his wants and needs.
He already says "fly-fly" to go flying outdoors, and that's easy enough. But that's all he really cares to say. He's selective with his words and loves to practice words that he finds fun or seem important to him.
He flies to the kitchen faucet or the bathroom sink when he's thirsty. But my partner doesn't realise it for the cue that it is. I have to run over and turn on the water for him. And yes, it means he wants water because, as they say, you can bring a horse to water....
I just want Cairo to be able to have another alternative to communicate his needs. He already brings my partner his pens for treats ('give pen' results in a treat reward). Every time I turn on the tap for Cairo to drink from, I tell him "water", but he doesn't always like to talk. But I know Cairo can easily bring me and my partner either cards or other tokens without hesitation.
So this video makes sense: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJ-x1CX5Qw"]Moonlight Learning Colors - YouTube[/ame]
We're in the middle of teaching him colours now, and it's just been a matter of whether both of his trainers are consistent (my partner and I do have very different thoughts when it comes to methodology - I feel like he skips important baby steps).
Then I saw this video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=464112840639715
So the video by itself just is basic colour training, not impressive. However, the comments are what I'm interested in.
From the trainer:
From a viewer:
Now, I agree with the viewer, so I'm curious to know your thoughts on how to improve the process. What can I do to make things clearer for Cairo? How should I train differently than what they show in the video?
So I stumbled across this: https://myreadingpets.com/
Now, I'm not going to expect Cairo to learn to read. I'm just hoping to give him an easier way to communicate his wants and needs.
He already says "fly-fly" to go flying outdoors, and that's easy enough. But that's all he really cares to say. He's selective with his words and loves to practice words that he finds fun or seem important to him.
He flies to the kitchen faucet or the bathroom sink when he's thirsty. But my partner doesn't realise it for the cue that it is. I have to run over and turn on the water for him. And yes, it means he wants water because, as they say, you can bring a horse to water....
I just want Cairo to be able to have another alternative to communicate his needs. He already brings my partner his pens for treats ('give pen' results in a treat reward). Every time I turn on the tap for Cairo to drink from, I tell him "water", but he doesn't always like to talk. But I know Cairo can easily bring me and my partner either cards or other tokens without hesitation.
So this video makes sense: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJ-x1CX5Qw"]Moonlight Learning Colors - YouTube[/ame]
We're in the middle of teaching him colours now, and it's just been a matter of whether both of his trainers are consistent (my partner and I do have very different thoughts when it comes to methodology - I feel like he skips important baby steps).
Then I saw this video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=464112840639715
So the video by itself just is basic colour training, not impressive. However, the comments are what I'm interested in.
From the trainer:
Initially they don't - you have to 'pair' the concepts - the vocabulary word with the behavior. So I start out by having her touch a treat, and I say, "Treat." So she learns that there are words for objects - a treat is called "treat". Then I have her touch the green card - and say yes. So she learns the 'name' of the green card is yes. Same with red card (which means no).
Then I ask her if she wants the treat, and I hold up the cards - she has no idea what to do - but since they're in front of her, she'll probably touch yes or no
If yes - she gets the treat, hooray! And we repeat it over and over again until she understands that "Yes" means she's given something. If she picks "No" she doesn't get the treat, but she has the opportunity to try again - and when she picks yes, she does get it.
You teach vocabulary - it's really easy! You saw the pairing? Where you hold up the green card and say, "Touch yes!" - that's pairing the card with the word "yes". You do the same thing to all kinds of things. You can hold up their favorite foods and teach them the labels - "Touch apple! Touch apple!" and have them touch the apple repeatedly, while you say the word. Once they learn the word, you say, "Do you want an apple?" and hold up the yes/no cards.
My guys like reading books, dancing, taking showers, learning vocabulary and math, etc., and all of those things have labels now. I'll attach a video that shows how to build more vocabulary - in that instance, they were learning colors.
Once you KNOW your bird has learned yes and no, and they are communicating it regularly and with consistent accuracy, you can ask them more complicated ones - like showering. (I think it's important to train them to like showers if they are afraid/resistant to it. I try to be force-free as much as possible.)
If they have a squirt bottle, you hold it close and say, "Touch squirt! Touch squirt!" until they've touched it a bunch and they know the vocabulary word, and then you say, "Do you want a squirt?" (hold up the yes/no cards). Isabelle sometimes says yes, and sometimes says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yscyOWPrFyI
I taught two vocab words as well, treat and water. Then I said, so you want treat? If they picked yes, they got it, if no, they didn't and I'd try again. So they learned yes gave them something and no didn't.
From a viewer:
It's not easy, though.
There is no compelling evidence in these videos for that pairing occuring. Very often even when teaching simpler behaviors we think we are pairing two things but are in fact pairing other things. This is no exception, rather the likelihood of that happening is very much increased!
The point is, from these videos, we do -not- know that they have learned the concept of yes and no, nor the labels of the objects/events that they refer to.
For example, in one video where you ask Ellie if she wants a cuddle and says yes, she displays very clear body language of not feeling comfortable with the cuddles, indicating that a) She didn't know that she agreed to something, or b) She thought she agreed to/wanted something else.
Like I've mentioned previously, I love concept training and I'm very convinced parrots have many unexplored capabilities, so what I'm doubting is not their ability to understand concepts. But this approach shows a very confusing setup and a lot of bias in how their responses are interpreted. As I've stated previously, I'm also all for people doing more with their birds, but we should be extremely careful with things like this as it can potentially do a lot of damage when we interpret too much in to answers that may not be there.
In the last video where Ellie is supposedly choosing to read a book for example, I don't see how we would rule out that she is simply choosing randomly until something happens. All I see is a bird that is obviously very interested in something, displaying mildly aroused body language and displacement behavior. She is pacing mildly, staring intensely at what is in your hands as if anticipating something, fluffing up from time to time, and she's also biting the perch (or feaking), without any obvious function, something that they will often do as displacement. This is body language we would otherwise see in a parrot that is mildly frustrated due to uncertain criteria, or one that is hungry, during a training session.
What is it that tells us she is choosing here and not just randomly targeting?
Now, I agree with the viewer, so I'm curious to know your thoughts on how to improve the process. What can I do to make things clearer for Cairo? How should I train differently than what they show in the video?