Worried I might NEVER be able to have both of them outside of the cage at same time..

[GaleriaGila]

Isn't it insane how different each of our fids are? Even when we stick with the same species and gender!

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No kidding! Like for example... Nicky's Patagonian Archie and my Patagonian Rickey. Archie had a hard life before getting rescued, and he is still sweet and cooperative. The Rickeybird has been pampered every day of his life, and is a complete brat.

Oh, wait... that is my fault...

Nevermind! Back to the cockatiels!

 

[gracebowen]

I dont remember how long it took Jet to learn to fly right but he typically only crashed onto the floor.

A baby clip might work. When I clipped my babies I took half of one flight feather. Then the other half. Then I did one feather at a time.

Each time I waited till they could fly and land where they intended for a few days. I only took four feathers each in the end.

They could still fly just not as far or as fast. Im not saying you should. Just how I did it.

 

[gracebowen]

Did that make sense?

 

[Tropical]

The problem is that Rascal has been clipped exactly in the way you guys are mentioning or I think it's the same clip?? I'm not sure. The problem is that doesn't slow down his flying at all. I usually have ALL of Rascal's long flight feathers cut super short as this makes putting the flightsuit MUCH easier and he could still fly like a maniac.

I also fear that doing this will make it worse and Coconut will be more prone to injuring himself.... I'm not sure

For example check out below pic of how short I usually have Rascal's wings clipped. Even then he can still fly normally and at VERY fast speeds. This is why I fear doing this clip to Coconut will not really help nor slow Coconut down???

Honestly... if worse comes to worst I am going to have to maybe clip Rascal so he can't fly and make Coconut crash into walls... this would only be temporary of course but then I fear Rascal is going to seriously injure himself since he has been fully flighted his entire life??

The way it is now is a major DISASTER waiting to happen if they happen to get out at same time. Does the below clip look like the clip you are referring to? As that clip doesn't slow Rascal down at all.

 

[Tropical]

Come to think of it... when Rascal got injured about 2 yrs ago because of that horrid babysitter who watched him (night fright accident)... ALL of Rascal's flight feathers got torn out.. every single one of them. He literally could NOT fly at all for at least entire month or longer and he was fine. His wings came back fast since the feathers were torn out by the roots... or simply fell out from inflammation.

I feel like I MIGHT have to clip Rascal's wings as a temporary measure otherwsie I really fear for Coconut. This would only be temporary... who here thinks this would be a good last resort?

I won't do it anytime soon but it's a thought. Man how I WISH Coconut could fly safely like Rascal can

 

[Tangie]

I had this problem with Kiko jut the other day! It was horrifying! I had him on my bed, an I crinkled a Bannanna Bread wrapper, and he panicked. He flew straight into our sloping wall with a smack! He wasn't dazed at all, though I was still petrified.

He isn't the best flyer, and my room is so tiny, and weirdly sloped, he can get confused. And I am SO dumb because I have never put a perch high up that he finds safe to land on.

Does he panic, fly around once or twice, and then collide with something?

YES! That’s exactly what happens… he flies around in a full on panic mode… usually does about two circles (this time he flew into one room and then flew into other bedroom where he slammed into the wall at full speed.. well not the wall this time but the window blinds) and boy can you can hear the force upon impact. It’s the scariest thing ever and 3 weeks ago he sustained serious head injury had to rush him to emergency clinic. I ended up installing a curtain rod in the kitchen (as shown in below pic) where the accident happened because I feel like the accident might not have happened if he had a place to land. Since then his flying has improved tremendously… but I don’t know what to do about this whole Rascal spooking he heck out of Coconut



The room todays incident just happened in has NO place for him to land... you think I should put curtain rod above that window too? It's a small spare bedroom.... he could have EASILY circled back out of that room but he flew right into the blinds instead...

YES! This is what Kiko does! And I think I have finally understood why he has done so. I think that by the time he has circled around, he is searching for a good place to land, which I had none! So perhaps you can add a few perches/things near the ceiling in various areas for him to be comfortable enough to land on? This is what I am going to do, and silly me for not having done so already!

 

[Tangie]

For most cases, I think there is no reason for wings to be clipped, however, it really depends in each individual case.

However, wing clipping is temporary, and it may really help you. But nonetheless, Rascal, even with a clip, should be able to lift off at LEAST several inches, and if it spooks Coconut anyway, then it may not help.

As long as Rascal can drift gently to the floor, he shouldn't get injured. In the clip you mentioned, were ALL his primaries clipped close to the Primary coverts?

gracebowen suggested a baby clip in which you clip four primaries on each wing. You can clip up to his secondaries, which is quite a few more than 4 on each wing.

 

[Tropical]

For most cases, I think there is no reason for wings to be clipped, however, it really depends in each individual case.

However, wing clipping is temporary, and it may really help you. But nonetheless, Rascal, even with a clip, should be able to lift off at LEAST several inches, and if it spooks Coconut anyway, then it may not help.

As long as Rascal can drift gently to the floor, he shouldn't get injured. In the clip you mentioned, were ALL his primaries clipped close to the Primary coverts?

gracebowen suggested a baby clip in which you clip four primaries on each wing. You can clip up to his secondaries, which is quite a few more than 4 on each wing.

It was only the long flight feathers that were cut short on Rascal... the primary feathers... nothing was was trimmed on him... just the super looong flight feathers because otherwise his wings are so super long it makes it very difficult for me to put his flightsuit on him (tough to pull long wings through tiny holes of the suit) which he wears almost every single day since I take him everywhere. Hope that helps better explain it. I would clip Rascal in a heart beat if I knew for sure it would help... but I do have a feeling he would still spook the heck out of Coconut and then I will have clipped Rascal for nothing

 

[Tropical]

I had this problem with Kiko jut the other day! It was horrifying! I had him on my bed, an I crinkled a Bannanna Bread wrapper, and he panicked. He flew straight into our sloping wall with a smack! He wasn't dazed at all, though I was still petrified.

He isn't the best flyer, and my room is so tiny, and weirdly sloped, he can get confused. And I am SO dumb because I have never put a perch high up that he finds safe to land on.

Does he panic, fly around once or twice, and then collide with something?

YES! That’s exactly what happens… he flies around in a full on panic mode… usually does about two circles (this time he flew into one room and then flew into other bedroom where he slammed into the wall at full speed.. well not the wall this time but the window blinds) and boy can you can hear the force upon impact. It’s the scariest thing ever and 3 weeks ago he sustained serious head injury had to rush him to emergency clinic. I ended up installing a curtain rod in the kitchen (as shown in below pic) where the accident happened because I feel like the accident might not have happened if he had a place to land. Since then his flying has improved tremendously… but I don’t know what to do about this whole Rascal spooking he heck out of Coconut



The room todays incident just happened in has NO place for him to land... you think I should put curtain rod above that window too? It's a small spare bedroom.... he could have EASILY circled back out of that room but he flew right into the blinds instead...

YES! This is what Kiko does! And I think I have finally understood why he has done so. I think that by the time he has circled around, he is searching for a good place to land, which I had none! So perhaps you can add a few perches/things near the ceiling in various areas for him to be comfortable enough to land on? This is what I am going to do, and silly me for not having done so already!

I too am going to try this.... I'll have to install landing spots in several more places and HOPING that will help. Thanks for the idea

 

[Tangie]

Your welcome! ^^
In the end, it may not work out, so I would just wait on the clipping, an just do the best you can ^^

Also, you can clip more than just the two longest feathers on each wing, up until the secondaries, which are about 8-9-10 feathers in. I forgot how many primaries there are lol.

 

[SilverSage]

I'm doubting that Rascal will stop this behavior due to clipping though...


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[Tropical]

I'm doubting that Rascal will stop this behavior due to clipping though...


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I know the clipping would definitely NOT stop Rascal's spooking behaviour that's for sure but what really freaks Coconut out is Rascal flying around full speed after he makes the danger alarm screams... so I was thinking if I can stop him from being able to spook fly like that it would not send Coconut into as deep of a panic.

... I'll regroup on this in another month or so... HOPING this will no longer be a problem sometime in the future.. hoping

 

[wrench13]

Tropical , this is my opinion only. I have a parrot that I love. I am not taking risks that they will fly into a wall or window or just fly out, (because someone got careless or didn't know or was just plain stupid, as in my case.). I've seen a parrot with a broken neck, from flying into a wall and I've had a parrot fly away. Neither are something I never, ever want to experience again, with Salty or any other parrot I may get.
If they have to trade off flying for being secure and safe from any flying related accidents, letting animals meant to fly in the open to fly in anything less then a gymnasium, I think that's a pretty good trade.
Again my bird, my opinion. It just scares me every time I open a thread from you, my friend, letting birds fly in enclosed spaces.

 

[Tropical]

Tropical , this is my opinion only. I have a parrot that I love. I am not taking risks that they will fly into a wall or window or just fly out, (because someone got careless or didn't know or was just plain stupid, as in my case.). I've seen a parrot with a broken neck, from flying into a wall and I've had a parrot fly away. Neither are something I never, ever want to experience again, with Salty or any other parrot I may get.
If they have to trade off flying for being secure and safe from any flying related accidents, letting animals meant to fly in the open to fly in anything less then a gymnasium, I think that's a pretty good trade.
Again my bird, my opinion. It just scares me every time I open a thread from you, my friend, letting birds fly in enclosed spaces.

Coconut was getting seriously injured because he was clipped. The issue here is not that he's not clipped. Clipped birds are equally as prone to getting very seriously injured I've seen it many times. Rascal is EXTREMELY safe being fully flighted. I would NEVER leave him permanently clipped. It's so important for his health (getting much needed exercise etc).

The problem here is Coconut was never able to fledge due to irresponsible breeders who clip bird wings especially before they are even able to fledge and properly develop. I am strongly against clipping wings for a myriad of valid reasons.

I will give this 2 more months before I know what I'll be doing because I can't do the current arrangement I have now permanently. Coconut just MIGHT end up getting clipped even though I had him clipped earlier and he was still nearly killing himself! I've had many tiels throughout my life and have NEVER EVER had such a problem before... but again clipped birds are just as prone to serious injuries. I have experienced it myself even when they are not over clipped.

What I'm experiencing now with Coconut is a NIGHTMARE and very unusual I've never had ANY birds that will fly into walls like this before in my life ... and I used to have 4 tiels (multiple birds at once) when I was a teenager all fully flighted with NO such issues. Those tiels actually did not even have a cage they were in living room in a custom built open wooden container thing with real tree branches hard to explain. This is horrible though hoping it gets better.

 

[wrench13]

I just feel for you and little Coconut. Like I said, I am scared to open a thread you start, thru n fault of your own. Padding the walls in the flight room? Kidding, but maybe not....
Good luck with them both.

 

[Tropical]

I just feel for you and little Coconut. Like I said, I am scared to open a thread you start, thru n fault of your own. Padding the walls in the flight room? Kidding, but maybe not....
Good luck with them both.

I had to pad a spare bedroom because Coconut was nearly killing himself because the irresponsible breeder over clipped him... but to be honest even when he could glide to floor he was nearly killing himself when he was clipped... hence why I was soooo happy when he could finally fly.

Coconut is GREAT by himself just NOT if another bird is outside at same time that is what puts him in the real danger I can't emphasize it enough that I'm VERY confident and VERY comfortable in Coconut flying by himself (in the living room.... only in areas he is familiar with now) but NOT when there is another tiel with him that keeps spooking sending him into a full blown panic flight.... so the real culprit here is NOT that he's not clipped... it's that he cannot handle being with other birds that are spooking the heck out of him (he handles being spooked by himself just fine though). This is a problem.

 

[Tropical]

I am happy about one thing at least though... I thought if I kept one bird in cage while the other is out that the bird trapped in cage would be screaming its head off to come out... but THANKFULLY it's not been the case.