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Old 10-28-2017, 08:57 AM
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Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

Sailboat: you mentioned in another thread today CITES regulations will apply to all amazons starting in January. Where does that leave us owners of older zons with no bands (Kiwi didn't have one when we got him)? Do I have to get Kiwi microchipped to prove he's mine now? Is DNA banking a recognized alternative? I'm not overwhelmingly overjoyed about the concept of having something implanted in my bird.

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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

I believe that any CITES requirements are for birds born after the regulation is established, could be wrong tho. Salty was banded but I had the vet take it off.
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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

Amy was born either December 1989 or January 1990...She has some sort of "band' on her leg. It's not the typical wide type,it's a silver "round" type.
The diameter of it is small,I don't know how any numbers/identification marks could be stamped into it.
I will look at it closer when I let her and Beebs out later.




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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
Sailboat: you mentioned in another thread today CITES regulations will apply to all amazons starting in January. Where does that leave us owners of older zons with no bands (Kiwi didn't have one when we got him)? Do I have to get Kiwi microchipped to prove he's mine now? Is DNA banking a recognized alternative? I'm not overwhelmingly overjoyed about the concept of having something implanted in my bird.
The up-coming change in the 'Status' of Amazons, i.e. those not currently classified as Endangered (I or II) is that 'All' Amazons will, as of 2 January 2018, be so classified.

Regarding having Hatch Documentation, that will only effect those newly born CITIES classified currently, as either I or II Amazons (as of 2, January 2017). And, as of 2, January 2018, all newly Hatched Amazons will require Hatch Documents.

Regarding all older Amazons, having medical and /or purchase documents indicating that your Amazon was alive prior to 1, January 2017 will be helpful in the future. As we both know, once an Amazon becomes more than a Young Adult, it becomes near impossible to determine their age.

- At this point, at least assure that your Avian Vet has some Indication of your Amazon's Age and that it is apart of his medical records.

- More and more Certified Avian Vet's (CAV) have been or will soon begin taking a photo of your Amazon and including it as part of your Amazon's (and all pets under their care) medical records.

I have not read or heard of any requirements of having one's Parrot Microchipped and /or DNA banking. I would be very surprised that such a requirement came about in the foreseeable future. So, deep breath and a feeling of comfort that Kiwi will not require such attention.

Hope this clears-up any confuse of my earlier Post.

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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

All you need is a vet record proving the bird was alive prior to the time the statute was enacted.

As a practical matter, it's not exactly something the Feds are going to be going house to house to enforce. The only time it might become an issue is traveling out of state with the bird, or going out of the Country and trying to come back in... (I WOULDN'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY WITH A BIRD ANYMORE. GETTING THEM BACK IN IS PROBLEMATIC ANYMORE EVEN WITH A VET CERTIFICATE.)
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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

I guess Salty's World Tour should be cancelled.
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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

Thanks! I am glad I don't have to have him microchipped since he's not banded and that a vet history will be enough proof of ownership. This stuff is so confusing for the "layperson" who just doesn't want the feds stealing (and more likely than not, then destroying) their bird over some kind of bureaucratic BS. We will most likely never move out of the US but it is entirely possible we might move to another state at some point in our lives.
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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
Thanks! I am glad I don't have to have him microchipped since he's not banded and that a vet history will be enough proof of ownership. This stuff is so confusing for the "layperson" who just doesn't want the feds stealing (and more likely than not, then destroying) their bird over some kind of bureaucratic BS. We will most likely never move out of the US but it is entirely possible we might move to another state at some point in our lives.
I took all of mine across country, and they didn't stop us at the state lines, even where they were running checkpoints...
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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

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Thanks! I am glad I don't have to have him microchipped since he's not banded and that a vet history will be enough proof of ownership. This stuff is so confusing for the "layperson" who just doesn't want the feds stealing (and more likely than not, then destroying) their bird over some kind of bureaucratic BS. We will most likely never move out of the US but it is entirely possible we might move to another state at some point in our lives.
I took all of mine across country, and they didn't stop us at the state lines, even where they were running checkpoints...
When we moved up here, we looked up the regulations for where we'd be driving and ended up getting a health certificate for him "just in case" because Nevada apparently requires them (even though we were just driving through). Didn't need it, but it would've been our luck had we not gotten it some stupid scenario would've arose! I remember as a kid once my mom had a couple apples and oranges from the supermarket she brought as snacks confiscated by the California border people (the California boarder with Arizona, not Mexico!). We avoided CA deliberately on that move because of their stupid checkpoints for people traveling within the US.

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Re: Sailboat: CITES and amazons?

really I think most state guards would look at a singular bird in the care and go "yeah that's a pet" and be less inclined to think anything funny is going on. It would be in/out the country where issues would be likely to arise. Saying that being a new update to a law they may get some fresh documentation so they may be a bit hotter on it but as long as you can prove they're born before the changes then it shouldn't be any real problem
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