Perjo getting too comfortble

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I hate to say it but my little angel is in a phase. 14 mos old today, and I had to take some of her freedom away. I put a perch above the outside of her door months ago, it was a 1/2" rope perch that eventually slipped out of the pastic end b/c of her weight. So I put up a larger rope perch and used a traditional straight perch under it to support it. It was her favorite spot outside the cage, she would go back n forth from the perch to the top of the open cage door for an hour.

It sat as high as 6'5", so she had high ground to sing, observe etc. But she has become reluctant to step up for me when I want her to come down. She would move quickly (and damn she is quickly) to get toward the top of the care (where she is smart enough to know I cannot easily reach her). She become wise to my tactics to coax her to come to my shoulder or step up. treats don't work as well and often I have to grab her with both hands which she doesn't like. She hunkers down and just sits there, debating whether to take a poke at me with her beak. Sometimes she does sometimes not, she is taking that poke more often now.

So I felt it was time for a change. I took both perches off the outside of the cage. I'll let this go for a day or two, then maybe add a straight perch to the outside but much lower, about chest high for me.

I personally think she was using the high ground advantage to take as much liberty and control and she could. She actually broke my skin for the first time ever last week trying to keep me from getting to her to take her down. She's been such a well behaved little baby that it bums me out she's resorted to this. I'm confident it is a phase and a little adjustment will help restore her typical and natural demeanor.

She's really taken some nice steps forward this past month in her ability to recognize my vocal commands and we've expanded our whistle language to each other. She seems to enjoy me whistling to her and attaching an English word to it.

I view this as the 1 step back amid the 2 steps forward progress.
 

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Welcome to toddler age lol. I think your approach is spot on. I experienced a similar situation with my Ekkie Venus and it took some time but she got the message. For me I wouldn't make the perch so high for a while because like you said she's using this to exert her control. Once she improves then allow the high perch and see how she does.

You are an excellent parrot!


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I'm a believer in the whole height dominance thing. Maybe its only with youngsters testing the limits, but when Saltys daytime Boing was up higher then my head, he would nip and occasionally bite when it was time to come off. Its been lowered for almost a year, and he knows that the Up Up command means you are stepping up, regardless of where you are or how you are feeling. it is very rare for him to even protest at all.
 

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Good for you folks who have averted this problem in one way or another.
 

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You're handling it exactly right. Switching things up will allow for teaching opportunities and a bit of course correction.

One of the main things you want to do going forward is to emphasize for her that stepping up for you does not necessarily mean that she is being taken away from her favored place for a prolonged period of time... or that she's going back into her cage. Sometimes they begin to resist stepping up from a favored place simply because they come to understand that stepping up invariably means the end of their fun time.

You can combat this by, first of all, going back to basics with step-up training. So respond enthusiastically when she steps up for you, and reward with a treat if she is food-motivated. Then, after rewarding her for stepping up, put her back onto her favored spot. If you do this consistently enough that she realizes the majority of the time she gets a treat and then gets to go back to her favored spot anyway, her attitude about stepping up will eventually change for the better.
 
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Great point about putting her back in her spot more often. And I have not reinforced her good obedience enough with a reward when she stepped up. I kind of become entitled and assumed b/c they are so smart that she will just continue to do these things and progress on her own all the time.

Today is already better. I uncovered the cage, gave her two fresh bowls, and after her inital go at it with breakfast pellets and bananas I opend the cage and she was perchin on the inside of the door and climbed to the top immediately, but allowed my to approach her to step up, and she did with no problem. Since then she has been on her own and free and has alternated between the top of the cage and the top of the door. So the whole higher ground thing is still apparent, which is OK, but there needs to be some balance.
 
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It's only been a day since I changed things up on her, but she doesn't seem to want to be touched at all since this morning. Any approach from either hand she is spinning herslef around to face the hand and stepping back an inch or two. She's been vocal today but not quite as vocal. She's done her usual calls when I leave the room, but seems moody when I'm in the room.
 

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Don't give up. Patience is key on our part as humans. Patience patience patience!!!!!


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She's been better past few days.
 

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I noticed with Timneh that she almost was using my own tactics back on me. After a Timeout when I would go to get her off her perch she would say no. So I would walk away and give her another minute or two and come back and she would step up. I wonder if Perjo isn't doing something similar to you. using our own timeout techniques on us. LOL
 
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Well I know one thing, she is on to my techniques to coax her off her cage. Saying
'wanna a treat" is bush league for her now. She looks at me like "if you're offering treat you know where my bowl is, put it in there and don't insult my intelligence".
 

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