Savage Biter- would love some advice

AGirlNamedMichael

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I am having a problem with my GCC, Jewel. She savagely and relentlessly bites anyone who comes within range, but mostly me because everyone else is too afraid to go near her. I have tried to ignore the biting as I have read about, but she has left scars on more than one of my fingers and given me bone deep hematomas. The bites are very difficult to not react to because she tries to take chunks out of me. I really want to bond with her, but I cannot tolerate the biting- it is savage!. She seems to love it when I talk to her, but when I try and offer her my finger she automatically goes for the bite. She was supposed to be a companion for my son, but she bit him so hard he's afraid of her now, so I am working on building a bond with her myself. She is approximately 7 months old. I know she is still a baby, but there seems to be no reason for the behavior except that she doesn't want to be touched or handled. She'll even "step up" onto my finger occasionally, but when she does, she bites. I'm not sure what else to do and would appreciate any advice! Thanks!

Michael:confused:
 

MikeyTN

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Have you watch some videos about clicker training off Youtube? If not, you should!!!! I have watched numerous videos of them and heard great success from numerous posters. I haven't tried it myself as I train differently, but I've had birds for a long time. Perhaps if I ever come to own a very very wild bird that could not be tamed, I may give that a try. I've gotten some pretty nasty ones that tamed down over the years. It takes time and patience, that's the key!

You need to get some treats, but it depends on what your feeding your conure? IF your feeding seeds, it would be hard to get him to try other treats. IF on seeds, you should try to change over to pellets with fruits and veggies. Once converted, then you can offer them as treats for training. But they also sell training treats as well....Then watch the clicker training videos and learn! I do have a clicker on hand if I ever wanted to start myself....
 

MonicaMc

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What is Jewel's favorite treat? You might be able to use treats to train her to be handlable without biting. Now, the best way to teach a bird not to bite is to not get bitten in the first place. Easier said than done, I realize... but in short, do not put Jewel in a position where she will bite. Try and read her body language and learn when she is about to bite.


I've interacted with a green cheek conure that was supposedly a biter that no one could handle except the daughter... handled her back in August. Here's the "little" snippet about the experience.

I know that with clicker training (and no, a clicker is *NOT* required! It just helps to bridge the gap between a *good* behavior and the *reward* from the human), it's possible to teach a bird not to bite, not to scream and to become more socialized. Clicker training is based on the foundations of Positive Reinforcement Training.

A month or so ago, a customer where I work asked me if I wanted another bird. She knew someone who had a green cheek parrot of some sort that she was needing to rehome. I would love another bird, but at the same time, I do not feel financially ready for one, but I gave the customer my information to pass it along.

Last Thursday, said owner of the bird called me and asked me if I wanted the bird. Her and I discussed a few different options and I told her I'd come over when she has an available time.

Last night (Tuesday), I went over to see this green cheek conure of hers. Now, here's Winston's story. Winston is about 3 years old, and she was shipped to a local pet-store, sick. The owners daughter worked there and spent 3 or more months getting Winston back into good health. Then, mothers day came around, and the daughter bought Winston for her mother. Typical story, bird loves daughter, hates mother. Daughter goes off to college, mom is stuck with a bird she cannot handle!

When trying to handle Winston, she gets bit! Take her out of the cage, bite before coming out, and if she manages to come out, bite on the way out. Bite when up on the shoulder, random bites when handling her. The last straw came when Winston bit her owner's lip, and ever since then, she has had *NO* trust in Winston.


So okay, I go over, I listen to her, put my hand up against the cage and ya, Winston is interested! Nibbling hard, but not quite biting with force. I watch as the owner tries to get Winston out of her cage. Winston wont come out, but she'll do anything for a sunflower seed! So... I start feeding Winston sunflower seeds and she takes them from me - with some hesitation. Then got her used to taking the sunflower seeds off the back of my hand (skin semi-tight). Eventually, I had my left hand in a "half" fist (fingers curled at the first digit away from the knuckles) and I was placing the sunflower seed near my wrist. Placed in such a manner, she'd have to put at least one foot onto my hand in order to reach the seed. Place a little further back, there's two feet on my hand and she's out of the cage!


I sat there with Winston, feeding her seeds, occasionally getting her to switch hands and she was not biting! Not evening nibbling! Every once in a while she made to fly off, but being unable to fly, didn't actually try. She just leaned and opened her wings a little. As I was talking to the owner, I was telling her how simple it would be to train her, and kind of demonstrated by using a sunflower seed to turn Winston around in a circle - and treat! Did this a few times to show them her willingness.


Winston's owner also told me how difficult it is to remove Winston from her shoulder. When she's up there and they want her down, she avoids them, bites them and they have to chase her around. I willingly, to an unknown and strange bird, allowed her, Winston, to climb up to my shoulder. I then used the sunflower seeds to get her to step up *WILLINGLY* back to my hand. The bird only listened to the daughter - no one else could handle her.

After a bit, I even had Winston step up onto her owners hand and she hung out there for a few moments, but I didn't leave Winston there for long as I know the owner is still afraid of getting bitten, and we didn't want Winston traveling up to her shoulder.

Now, Winston did end up biting me, and biting me *REAL* good! But this was due to the fact that she has a leg band that is too big for her and she managed to get one toe stuck inside of it. I didn't hold her in a grip that would have prevented her from biting period, but then her bites really don't hurt compared to bites I've received from other parrots! Managed to move the band back up her leg and after that she wasn't too happy with me, but it was the first time she was allowed out of her cage in who knows how long!



Although I did not use a clicker, clicker training is essentially the same concept... and it can be used to teach parrots to play with toys, teach them that going to other people is a *good* thing, and it's also a great, and fun way for owner and bird to bond! The bird learns that good behaviors get rewarded and the owner learns how to better communicate with the bird, thus learning to avoid getting bitten in the first place!



When I left, Winston's owner was so appreciative of the fact that I had come over. She is not a person to give up on an animal, but she ended up with a bird she had no clue how to handle. (she's owned several cockatiels in the past!) She views pets as having them for life! So she felt pretty bad about the thought of having to give up Winston, even though she can't handle her... and today, she's excited to start training Winston!
 

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How 'bout using a stick instead of your hand/finger? There are some very good threads here about using a stick for step-up.

Also, there are special hand perches where there is like a little wall between the bird and your hand. You could try that, and it would let you bring the birdy to other places in the house and up in front of you for closer talking, etc.
 
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AGirlNamedMichael

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Thank you- I will try this! She seems to really like apples, but I will try sunflower seeds. I really want to try and work this out- I thought I wasn't a bird person until we got Jewel, and I refuse to give up!
 

MonicaMc

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A training treat is whatever the bird enjoys most. Winston loves sunflower seeds! But another green cheek may enjoy millet, nuts, fruits, etc. The bites should be small, though... such as buying organic sunflower seeds, already hulled, and cutting into 4-6 different pieces... or using small millet and one bite per reward.

The idea is to use small rewards to keep the bird interested in having more. If they fill up on one treat, they may not be interested in continuing to train.
 

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How long have you had her? I recently adopted a Red Throated Conure who has left me plenty of blood-drawing bites. We clicker train everyday and it's not been two weeks and we're nearly over it unless I startle him, or can tell when hes feeling aggressive.
 

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:) I took on Colada (GCC) for the same reason. Her breeder was scared of her... she would savagely bite, mostly hands but she would attack anything she could get to if she couldnt get hands. I came away from our first meeting covered in bleeding wounds and bruises. I thought I couldnt do it, I almost didnt take her.

Firstly, we taught her to step up onto a stick. This got her off her cage and onto us. Once on us, if she attempted to bite we would gently rotate our arm to destabilise her and when she stopped, we would stop. They are very intelligent creatures and this is all it took. Very rarely do birds like fingers coming at their face, so this is something we never do. We always offer an entire hand at foot level for step up. Once she had learned she can not bite, we had her stepping up onto our hands :)

So... this little bird who no one wanted only needed to learn she could have cuddles and love if she didnt bite.
 

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Have you had a chance to get her out and away from the cage, say, another room? Not sure if she has really 'let' you get that far. If the wings are clipped and you find a high value treat and can get the bird away from the cage to interact in short intervals, it may help you move in the direction of trust and bonding.
And maybe see how much of an attention hog the bird is??? I know my Georgie was a huge attention seeker and HATED being ignored. I could work her over to change behavior by ignoring her or enormously falling all over her with adoration, depending what i wanted from her.
 

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I found these videos- the one led me to watch the other. I hope it helps.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrfLx8QwYo]Thank you Birdtricks.com - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SjELtRoD5Y]Power Pause Parrot Training Technique - YouTube[/ame]
 
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AGirlNamedMichael

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We had a decent couple of hours yesterday. At first she didn't bite too hard, but she did eventually draw blood. She's odd- she doesn't want to be ignored, but she doesn't want to be picked up either. It appears to be more of a trust issue than anything else, so day by day I am working on that with treats. She just flat out doesn't want to be touched or sit on a human(yet). My finger is all the worse for wear, but I think we are beginning to bond, as she has started making some new calls to me. She really loves it when I talk to her, so I am trying to combine that with treats. Yesterday was pretty good, so I am very hopeful!
 
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AGirlNamedMichael

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Thanks for posting that video. I signed up to get those videos, but my internet wouldn't let me watch them via e-mail, but I could watch the one you posted. I'll try this technique- hopefully we'll have our own breakthrough!
 

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