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Old 03-18-2013, 12:00 AM
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Valentino pics and weight concerns

Lupe took some cute pics of Valentino with her phone earlier today while he was in his cage chatting to himself. Very cute how he cuddles his bonding blanket while he chats to himself. Valentino is now saying words in English and I caught a few Spanish ones too. It seems he is learning new words and phrases every day.



It looks like she opened the cage to take the pictures. If I did that he would of crawled to the perch by the door and jumped out on me. LOL. She got some cute pic of him today.

I have some concerns about his weight of late. I would love to have some input from other RFM owners that have had their birds since weaning. Valentino came to me at 402 grams about a week shy of 4 months old. The first few days I felt he was not eating well on his own so I picked up his hand feeding from just at night before bed to three times a day. This helped him feel more secure and keep him from losing any more weight. I was able to cut down his hand feedings quickly within I'd say three weeks to only the before bed night feeding. He would take 30 cc's average at each feeding. The night feeding he will take at the most 30 cc's.

It took about a month but I was finally able to stabilize his weight to about 430 grams and he fluctuated his weight between 430 to 435 grams for about two months. Valentino started moulting about three weeks ago starting with a very soft moult. Feather dropping from the sides of his face and top of head. Then he started dropping feathers from his body and that picked up to where he was looking kind of rough with the feather loss. I also noticed he was not satisfied with the amount of food I feed him. Normally the fresh mix is only fed once a day given to him at noon and pulled around 4pm. Lately for the past two weeks the food would be gone early afternoon and I would have to give him a second feeding (not as much fresh food) around our dinner time. He would eat with us his fresh mix then I would have him out with me until 9pm which I would put him back in cage until 10:30 when I put him to bed and give him his night feeding. Pellets are available in a different dish and I noticed the bowl is empty in the evening.

His weight has been creeping up. At first it was 440 grams then it was 450 grams. Last night he weighed in at 458 grams and tonight he was 464 grams. Some changes I have made are he does not get as many nuts as he did when he first came home. At the most he only gets two. I have picked up his exercise and fly him two to three times a day. I no longer get up to "go get him" but make him fly to me if he wants to be with me. Even if he looks at me and lifts his talon I raise my arm and command him to fly to me.

I am concerned with his weight gain being too much too fast. Valentino is the largest bird I ever had so I hope I worry for nothing. I also understand RFM can grow for three years. I examine his body mass and I can still feel his keel bone, he does not have the "cleavage" bird people talk about and his breast and muscle that connects the wing to the breast (don't know what that is called) is very well defined and developed. I just want to make sure Valentino's weight gain is normal and alright.

Here is a picture of Valentino's brothers Sid and Silas who were hatched a year before Valentino.



I appreciate any input from experienced RFM people...Thanks!!!
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

If the keel is still felt without you you know fat birdie cleavage then I believe he is fine. He is a growing boy and he should be gaining weight and size. I think you are doing everything just fine and are a great parent to that little boy.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:42 PM
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

I agree, as long as his breast feels fine I wouldn't be worried
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:40 PM
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

Thank you both for your input. I don't really know why but Valentino seems so hungry all the time and gaining weight quickly. I don't know if it is a growth spurt or caused by the moulting. He is more crabby of late and less tolerant of waiting and is more demanding. He is also talking a LOT and learning new words so quickly now. We have to be careful what we say in front of him or even with in ear shot. He told me today I was weird. HE is the one that is weird!

Anyone macaw people out there that know the weight, age and sex of their RFM I would love to hear from you. If you had your RFM since baby did your parrot gain weight as quickly as Valentino when young??
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

In the Harrisons Neonate Parrots www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/avmed/ampa/30.pdf, on page 14, the average weight listed for RFM at 49 days is 465-580 grams with an average adult weight at 490. On most species listed, the 49 day / 7 week weight is the heaviest weight for pre-fledging parrots. In other words, this is generally when babies weigh the most. Then they begin losing weight in preparation for flight.

There may be a chart that covers the age span after the first 7 weeks, but I don't know where it is.

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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

Sorry that I don't have any advice about the weight, but that pic is adorable! It's cool that he's learning English and Spanish. What a smart cookie, he is.
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

No idea about RFM standards, never owned one. I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed the pic Lupe took. They are so adorable! Valentino is a real cutie!!
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

Got this from avalon aviary website...

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Red Fronts are generally around 24 inches in length and weigh between 450 and 550 grams. Their wingspans are generally 32 to 34 inches
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Length: 50cm/20 inches
Weight: 450-650 grams
Also found this weight pdf, http://www.scottemcdonald.com/pdfs/A...%20Weights.pdf

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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

Everyone thanks for your replies. You have been very helpful. I am stunned with how quickly Valentino gained weight. I am going to email the breeder and ask her how much the parents weighs so I can have a range of what would be normal for Valentino. I have never had a parrot gain weight as quickly as Valentino and my fright of heart disease does not help.
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Re: Valentino pics and weight concerns

He is growing noble he is going to gain weight. As long is looking healthy and you can feel that keel your fine. You fly the bird everyday so you barely have a reason to worry about heart disease. you are a very caring parent and Valentino is great, so no worries.
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