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Post "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborough)

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DIET ITEMS OF CONCERN FOR ECLECTUS PARROTS

In my personal experience, as well as the experience of many clients and non-clients regarding their eclectus parrots with mis-colored feathers or demonstrating muscle spasms, the following is my opinion.

Colored pellets. To my knowledge there have not been any research projects on the use of dyes in colored pellets for parrots. The dyes in colored pellets have at least two serious consequences in eclectus parrots; they may cause extreme irritation and they may prohibit the development of normal feather coloring.

In terms of irritation, from the reports of individual parrot owners, it seems colored pellets cause such severe irritation that the bird even chews on its flesh. Just one veterinary report. Some years ago a parrot breeder whom I personally know was recommended colored pellets for her birds by the local pet store. She gave colored pellets to her pet African grey, a perfectly healthy bird who loved the pellets and consumed a great deal of colored pellets on a daily basis. After a few weeks the owner noted that this grey was losing feathers in the crop area and a few days later the bird was discovered chewing on the skin of the crop! She took the bird to an avian veterinarian who was a professor at a local university who tested the bird and reviewed its history and determined that the dyes in the colored pellets were the problem. The bird owner discontinued those pellets and the bird eventually recovered. This is just one example. There are other cases which are similar.

In terms of causing mis-colored feathers in eclectus parrots, individuals have contacted me reporting their eclectus was molting and the new feathers coming in were yellow (instead of red in females and green in males). Yellow is the base color of eclectus parrot feathers. A yellow feather means the bird did not produce the appropriate color for that feather. This means that either the appropriate nutrient was not available to the bird or that the bird was not able to use the available nutrient. These parrot owners were feeding colored pellets. In these cases, it seems the dyes prevented the development of the appropriate color. When colored pellets were removed from the diet of these birds, they were subsequently able to produce normally colored feathers. It should be noted that pellets without dyes do not appear to cause irritation or mis-colored feathers. (There are also other reasons for the development of yellow feathers, such as damaged feather follicles.)


Muscle Spasms: Toe Tapping and Wing Flipping.

Back in the early nineties my avian veterinarian asked about toe tapping in eclectus. I promised him I would bring him an example. I took the recommended daily amount of powdered vitamins for parrots and sprinkled that on the soft foods of one eclectus each day for one week. At the end of the week the bird was toe tapping. I took that bird to my vet and sat it on a perch so he could see the muscle spasms in the toes, which were extending out from the perch and then returning to their normal position, gripping the perch. This muscle action was not the decision of the bird, but an involuntary muscle action. This involuntary muscle action can also affect the wings, where the wings are quickly extended and then returned to their normal position.

These muscle spasms, toe tapping and wing flipping, are said to be caused by the bird's inability to uptake calcium from the blood into the muscles, often as a result of consuming a significant amount of man made vitamin A, (which is not a naturally occurring vitamin). There are many commercial products made for parrots that contain man made vitamin A, from commercially produced pellets to commercially produced parrot treats. An avian nutrition researcher in Australia, Dr. Debra McDonald, has written about the effects on parrots that have consumed a significant amount of man made vitamin A in commercially produced bird food. She stated that birds cannot easily utilize this man made vitamin. They store it in the liver. When there is an excess of man made vitamin A, it can cause problems with the metabolism of calcium and may inhibit the transfer of calcium from the blood to the muscles. This lack of calcium in the muscles results in muscle spasms. (Reference: Pet & Aviary Birds, Issue 15, January/February, 2003, pp. 40-43)


We do not recommend the use of any COLORED pellets for eclectus parrots in order to prevent severe irritation and incorrectly colored feathers.

We do not recommend the use of ANY pellets for an individual eclectus parrot IF that bird begins to demonstrate toe tapping or wing flipping.

We do not recommend the use of any commercially produced parrot TREATS for eclectus parrots which contain man made vitamin A, in order to prevent muscle spasms.


(Note: There can be other causes of muscle spasms in eclectus parrots, but diet seems to be the most common cause.) Laurella Desborough January 2020
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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

Truly great writing. Have seen this information provided in bits and pieces, but this places the information in a single place.

I have never favored colored pellets with any Parrots as the dyes have always been an issue of concern!

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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

I’ll agree, great writing. But I’ve always found laurella problematic. I trust her with breeding information, but anything dietary related I take with a boulder of salt.

While this article is well written, I’ve gotten into it with her because she has called ALL vitamin a “artificial”.

And she advocates seed diet as their main diet staple - if what I’ve heard from her in the past is accurate and up to date, she primarily feeds volkmans.
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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

This is who wrote the article!

Laurella Desborough

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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

Yep, that’s her alright.
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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

Quote: Originally Posted by chris-md View Post
Iíll agree, great writing. But Iíve always found laurella problematic. I trust her with breeding information, but anything dietary related I take with a boulder of salt.

While this article is well written, Iíve gotten into it with her because she has called ALL vitamin a ďartificialĒ.

And she advocates seed diet as their main diet staple - if what Iíve heard from her in the past is accurate and up to date, she primarily feeds volkmans.
Had no clue she advocates a seed diet as main staple. Everywhere I've read, her Eclectus Ark seems to advocate a veggie/fruit base. I'll need to read a bit more..
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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

Maybe things have changed, or maybe I only got part of the story (it is the internet, after all). I dunno. But I’ve had enough interactions directly with her and seen her interactions with others to convince me that she’s a talented eclectus breeder, and that’s it. On occasion I’ve wanted to say “look, stick to breeding”.

Like I said, she once claimed all vitamin A is man made. I had to gently and politely explain to her why that is completely false.
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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

And, in your hands, my good friend, I'm certain that it was artfully handled! Artfully! Thanks for the heads up...

Hmmm, sooo, 100% of vitamin A is man made... More proof the World is a better place with mankind provided such wonders...

Thanks my friend!


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Maybe things have changed, or maybe I only got part of the story (it is the internet, after all). I dunno. But I’ve had enough interactions directly with her and seen her interactions with others to convince me that she’s a talented eclectus breeder, and that’s it. On occasion I’ve wanted to say “look, stick to breeding”.

Like I said, she once claimed all vitamin A is man made. I had to gently and politely explain to her why that is completely false.
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Re: "Diet Items of Concern for Eclectus Parrots" from Eclectus Ark (Laurella Desborou

LOL never trust me to artfully handle anything. But yes, while I had to type and delete several times because my instinct was to lash out at stupidity, I was polite and rather proud of my response. Iím not dumb, shes well respected for some good reasons.
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