HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

[noodles123]

It took about an hour or so...but, I think this is decent information (I wish I could have gotten more):

Based on our conversation (the information specialist and myself):
Your potential Microwave is probably safe (no disclaimers on birds in "use and care guide") but both ovens have a disclaimer about bird death in the "use and care guides"----

FYI- All Kitchen-Aid "counter-top ovens" DO contain PFOA and there is a warning about it relating to birds and fluoropolymers in their internal database (not publicly searchable).
She is emailing me the guides---except the internal disclaimers on the counter-top oven -because those are internal (but she did read me the whole thing about fluoropolymers and the risk to birds--any Kitchen-Aide "counter-top ovens"=definite no no's).

To find the use and care guide information on the 2 ovens (with the bird warnings), go to the website and click the manuals section. Enter the model numbers and then the bird information is on page 14 (according to her). She said on larger appliances, the company didn't give them specifics, but the fact that there is a disclaimer on the ovens, but NOT on the microwave, means that there is a concern.
The counter-top oven thing was just something she volunteered from memory (and she proceeded to read what their internal database says about birds and perfluorinated compounds).

HOPE THAT HELPS!!!!

FYI-
She also said that they have complete lists of chemical information for their small appliances, but not for the larger appliances like the ovens. She suggested possibly contacting a local service-provider in order to get more information (simply because they replace the parts etc) BUT, the warnings in the manuals suggest that they are not safe for birds.

PS-- She warned that, with or without PTFE/PFOA/PFC's/Teflon, all of their larger heating appliances will also produce a smoke when used for the first time and that the birds would need to be out of the house during that time (not even making this up!!! LOL---So, that tells that she was being honest).

Here (from Kitchen-Aid use-manual):
"Odors and smoke are normal when the oven is used the first few
times or when it is heavily soiled.
IMPORTANT: The health of some birds is extremely sensitive to
the fumes given off by the oven. Exposure to the fumes may result
in death to certain birds. "

 

[noodles123]

I didn't call Bosch, but their user manual refers specifically to birds as well, but it focuses more on the self-cleaning side of things:
" Birds have very sensitive respiratory systems. Keep
pet birds out of the kitchen or other rooms where
kitchen fumes could reach them. During self clean,
fumes are released that may be harmful to birds. "
https://media3.bosch-home.com/Documents/9000989870_A.pdf (ctrl + f "bird" will search you to the right page).

Between Bosch and Kitchen-Aid, I would definitely go with Bosch--- I didn't get to check the 3rd...Sorry!!! I only called Kitchen-Aid, but the wording is pretty clear...Bosch talks about the risk of self-cleaning, whereas Kitchen-aid talks about the oven's fumes in general (and the woman I spoke with said they often used PTFE in stuff- from memory, she mentioned their "counter-top ovens" and she voluntarily read off a whole internal warning about birds and fluoroplastics in relation to the counter-top ovens).

 

[LauraC]

Bumping my thread up. We are coming close to the end of our remodel project. Probably another 2 weeks. My appliances come at the end of this week. I wanted to do the “burn off” for any new smells. I forgot what everyone said about what temperature to set the oven on and for how long to burn off the “new oven smell and fumes”. Can you guys remind me?

 

[noodles123]

I have read mixed suggestions on times, but all call for high temperatures. With your birds out of the house for a few days, I would crank it up to 500-550, let it run for 1.5-2 hours (let it cool and then do it again at least once more) --until you can no longer detect any chemical smell. Allow plenty of time to air out the house and keep the windows open. My ex used to season cast iron at high temperatures and the smell lingered for more than a day.
After you burn it off, I would wipe down the inside (of the oven with warm water and possibly something like non-concentrated dawn-- you might want to run it one more time to make sure that the Dawn doesn't leave a residue that could also burn off).

**if your oven has a self-cleaning function, might also do the trick** You absolutely never ever should use this function if there are birds in your home.

 

[TiredOldMan]

I bought a new oven first of the year. The installation instructions gave time and temp to burn off the "new" odor.

I set up fans pulling clean air past the cages and blowing the foul air out open windows and doors.

Make sure the installers don't start that burn in until you are ready

 

[LauraC]

I bought a new oven first of the year. The installation instructions gave time and temp to burn off the "new" odor.

I set up fans pulling clean air past the cages and blowing the foul air out open windows and doors.

Make sure the installers don't start that burn in until you are ready

I have read the instructions and they did not mention anything about burning off the smell. I even contacted the manufacturer Bosch to ask but they did not give a temperature or time frame.

Just curious what did your installation instructions suggest for time and temperature to burn off the smell?

Thanks!

 

[TiredOldMan]

If I remember correctly it was 500F for 2 hours.