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Well, generally, when you say adopt, it means you paid a adoption fee which is supposed to be lower than what you would pay to a breeder or a store (notice the word 'supposed' because, sometimes, people ask for almost as much), this could be from a rescue, a shelter or an individual. When you say 'rehome' it means a private transaction from one home to another which is usually free or has a nominal fee (like the mere $100 for my beautiful YNA boy). And purchase is when there are no other conditions except the price so it's stores, breeders and, sometimes, individuals.
I don't believe in buying but I bought two U2s from a petstore. It was the triple D (dirty, dark, dingy) petstore from hell, the birds had been there on consignment (so they said but I never believed it) for over two years, they were either 19 and 23 or 23 and 27 (I was given two different ages in two different occasions), they had bonded while in there (but they were willing to sell them separately) and one of them plucked, mutilated and had a slight deformation in her beak. So, although I paid for them, I still consider them a rescue (they were both brought back to health, switched to a good diet, the mutilator stopped biting herself and became just a breeding season plucker and, when they were well, they were sent to a sanctuary to live in an outdoor aviary with 30 other U2s)
The reasoning behind adopting/rescuing/rehoming instead of purchasing is because buying a baby which will be replace by another baby as soon as you take yours home contributes to the overpopulation problem. It's the same with dogs and cats. I have nothing against good breeders but when you have a society that 'throws away' animals when it's no longer convenient for them to keep them or when the animal shows behavioral problems that, most likely, were caused by the owner, you need to educate and conscientize people but also not contribute to the problem and you can only do that by taking in adults instead of babies.
Years ago, over ten million dogs and cats were put to sleep every year but now we are down to 5-6 million and the number is steadily lower every year because people are more aware of the problem and are more willing to adopt than before.
The reasoning behind adopting/rescuing/rehoming instead of purchasing is because buying a baby which will be replace by another baby as soon as you take yours home contributes to the overpopulation problem. It's the same with dogs and cats. I have nothing against good breeders but when you have a society that 'throws away' animals when it's no longer convenient for them to keep them or when the animal shows behavioral problems that, most likely, were caused by the owner, you need to educate and conscientize people but also not contribute to the problem and you can only do that by taking in adults instead of babies.
The reasoning behind adopting/rescuing/rehoming instead of purchasing is because buying a baby which will be replace by another baby as soon as you take yours home contributes to the overpopulation problem. It's the same with dogs and cats. I have nothing against good breeders but when you have a society that 'throws away' animals when it's no longer convenient for them to keep them or when the animal shows behavioral problems that, most likely, were caused by the owner, you need to educate and conscientize people but also not contribute to the problem and you can only do that by taking in adults instead of babies.
The problem is NOT pet stores. It is with breeders, which was something I didn't want to get in to, because I know there are breeders on the forum and didn't want to step on any toes. If you are a breeder, I apologise if I cause any offence, please PM me if you'd like to talk about it! Most of this doesn't apply to the good breeders I know because they have contracts with the buyers of their babies that they come back to the breeder to find another suitable home if theirs doesn't work out.
BUT: Like you said, a baby being hatched, means an older bird loses out on a home. But that is not a pet stores 'fault'. You cannot blame them for supplying what the people want when they're running a business. You can, however, look at who's supplying the pet store. A pet store doesn't magic babies out of thin air, they look to breeders. If breeders stopped (not including breeds that are dying out, etc.) then we'd have a lot less birds in rescues. So yes, by emptying that cage at the pet store, I made space for another bird to fill it's spot. That bird still needed a home and he fit the bill for me - I can't understand the idea of leaving a pet behind just because he doesn't come from what is viewed as an "appropriate" background. So he's not beaten and plucked bald, he's not in his ideal home right now and so I'm going to fix that because I can. Petstore or not.
Breeding is the issue. Breeding more birds that do not need to be bred. for example, sun conures. There are hundreds and hundreds of sun conures in American rescues (I cite American, because here in the UK it's vastly different.) but there are still so many sunny breeders. Sunnys are generally put into rescues at around 1-2 years of age, when the 'screaming' becomes too much, when the hormones kick in, the nipping starts. etc. Will I blame pet stores for selling sun conures? No. I'll be annoyed that these animals are so readily available for pet stores to BUY from breeders to sell on to people who don't know how to properly raise their birds (a lack of education is a massive issue too, but that's for another day perhaps).
Instead of people taking birds from other homes, older birds, rescue, adoption, pet store bought (NOT BABIES), etc. they want a new baby, because it's a fresh slate, something they can mould and make into what they want. Which is why I don't like 'new to parrots' people getting a baby (especially buying a baby they haven't met), because there are SO many mistakes to be made and that baby ends up paying the price by ending up in a rescue. (Of course I'm not saying this about everyone.)
Pet stores cannot sell babies, if there are no babies to be sold. You cannot blame the middle man because it is 'supply and demand'... you blame the supplier, the original supplier, the BREEDER. The pet store will be losing out on money, as a breeder will just seek another store to make profit from their babies. So why should a pet store lose out on money?
I will not refuse an animal a home, just because his background is frowned upon. If he fits my family, if I think he deserves a loving home (which ALL of them do) then I don't see why I should decline taking him with me. I'm improving HIS life, which is what matters.
In an ideal world, I'd never have to buy a pet store bird again. Because the only birds left, would be those in rescues or needing a rehome, a 'second chance'; but that's not how it is. I'm not going to act as though what I do doesn't impact another's life; Charlie will be replaced in that store, which is sad, especially if replaced by babies. But Charlie is not currently being hen pecked in an aviary by an actual breeding bird, with an owner who might not even care about his wellbeing. He is instead in a loving home, with a fantastic avian vet on call, good diet, good cage... everything he needs as a companion bird (asides from real flight!). No matter what anyone says, noone will convince me that buying 'pet store' is a bad choice.
If I could stop all breeding for a number of years (to reduce the number of birds bought as babies and encourage rescues) then I certainly would. But all the animals out there need a good home, not just the ones already in a home, or in a sanctuary. They all deserve our love, so I'm not going to prejudice against one because of it's current situation.
Sorry if I've ended up repeating myself, it is 2am, cut me some slack
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Also, debates are healthy. If we all shutup and kept our opinions to ourselves, I imagine things might get very dull around here (asides from the cute pictures of our babies!). I think people need to see every angle of something to really understand the decision they make about whatever it is we're debating. I'd hate to think there is actually any hostility between members involved (I know I feel none towards anyone here, even if debates get heated at times.) but we're just here expressing our opinions and thoughts on topics. Matter of the fact is, we can't change what someone is going to do, only advise and flesh out on facts/information we know and help others make the right choice for themselves and their situation. (eg, with clipping/flighted!)
Thanks for the detailed explanation how things work. I found it interesting. I go to a pet store monthly to purchase a premium dog food and the large birds there have been on consignment. At least that is what I was told.
I have sold zons like that in the past and it's not a bad deal if you find the right petstore. (something i have trouble doing). A pet store is really a great place to socialize a young zon. i have taken young OWAs and rotated them thru the store for a week or so at a time. (OWAs don't sell that well and are cheap). It really lets customers interact with the birds and vice-versa. I have found good homes that way and the store can make their end on cages,food,etc. I had a store in NC that kept them on a perch next to the cash register, i could visit almost every day and rotate the babies, if someone was interested they'd give them my contact info and be involved in the selling/education, good deal for everyone involved.
Well, generally, when you say adopt, it means you paid a adoption fee which is supposed to be lower than what you would pay to a breeder or a store (notice the word 'supposed' because, sometimes, people ask for almost as much), this could be from a rescue, a shelter or an individual. When you say 'rehome' it means a private transaction from one home to another which is usually free or has a nominal fee (like the mere $100 for my beautiful YNA boy). And purchase is when there are no other conditions except the price so it's stores, breeders and, sometimes, individuals.
I don't believe in buying but I bought two U2s from a petstore. It was the triple D (dirty, dark, dingy) petstore from hell, the birds had been there on consignment (so they said but I never believed it) for over two years, they were either 19 and 23 or 23 and 27 (I was given two different ages in two different occasions), they had bonded while in there (but they were willing to sell them separately) and one of them plucked, mutilated and had a slight deformation in her beak. So, although I paid for them, I still consider them a rescue (they were both brought back to health, switched to a good diet, the mutilator stopped biting herself and became just a breeding season plucker and, when they were well, they were sent to a sanctuary to live in an outdoor aviary with 30 other U2s)
The reasoning behind adopting/rescuing/rehoming instead of purchasing is because buying a baby which will be replace by another baby as soon as you take yours home contributes to the overpopulation problem. It's the same with dogs and cats. I have nothing against good breeders but when you have a society that 'throws away' animals when it's no longer convenient for them to keep them or when the animal shows behavioral problems that, most likely, were caused by the owner, you need to educate and conscientize people but also not contribute to the problem and you can only do that by taking in adults instead of babies.
Years ago, over ten million dogs and cats were put to sleep every year but now we are down to 5-6 million and the number is steadily lower every year because people are more aware of the problem and are more willing to adopt than before.
To me, rehome, adopt or rescue means all the same because I removeda bird from it's previous existence and that is all that matters. Even with a "rescue" you pay a nominal "adoption" fee. It may be lower than the market price, but you are still paying. If you think about it, you are actually only fostering long term because the rescue can deem at any time that you are not caring for the bird properly and remove it from your possession. It's in the contract.
Adopting helps, but the real answer is sterilizing cats and dogs if they are not going to be bred to improve their breed. Numbers of animals being euthanized would drop considerably if vets would participate or offer low cost spaying/neutering programs to the public.