Malcom is Fatty McFat!

Brittney

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Went to the vet today to get Mal's beak and nails trimmed (what a difference!) and the vet says he need to lose 1.3 kg to be healthy. He is so fat that it is making him wheez when he gets excited! Anyways...I thought of a question I forgot to ask the vet, but I think you all can answer it. If a bird had his wing clipped do they grow back to the point he can fly? Malcolm today flew off his cage into the wall trying to escape going into his travel cage. He is suppose to be clipped and I read that they can still fly short distance even if they have been.
Also as a side note Mal had his first shower today and he loved it! He looks a lot better being clean;)
 
Something doesn't sound right, 1.3kg =1300 grams ? i think that's right. I've never heard of a amazon that weighted more than 1000 grams and my YNAs weigh 500-725 grams. (depends on subspecies). Your bird is serious over weight if that's true. Couldn't fly if fully feathered. Do you have a set of scales to weigh him on? Yes they "grow" back flight feathers. If i wanted a bird to lose weight i wouldn't clip him unless i had to, flying is the best exercise.
 
hmm now I don't know! I just know that they say his being fat is making it hard for him to breath and 3 girls said they never seen a bird as big as him? How do I encourage him to fly? He does not seem to good at it keeps flying into the walls. They gave him a shot of vit A since he has been on just a seed diet for a long time. I have been slowly changing his diet to having more fresh fruit and will start adding the pellet now that it has been a week and he is beginning to adjust to our home. Would you take his seeds out at night and just give them back at breakfast time?
 
Dude get some sweet potatoes up in there. My bird loves them and they are a Vitamin A bonanza. As for flying, my bird is clipped too. I hold her over my bed and say "go fly!" and kind of toss her? If she's in the mood she flies down a few times and gets some exercise. I never force her though! It's only if she seems like she wants to. If she's not in the mood she just grips onto my finger and doesn't fly. Try to read his body language--when Ivy wants to fly, she hunches over and holds her wings up and makes a noise at me.
 
He needs to lose 1.3kg! Gosh... How much does he weigh?
 
OMG that is a lot of weight for a bird to loose

Please share a picture of your bird with us

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Crashing into walls will happen till he learns to fly, keep practicing. Read through some of the older post about weaning your bird from seeds to pellets, Your still going to need a set of digital kitchen scales to help with the weight loss and general health. Sweet potatoes are a great source of vit A, most birds love them,along with carrots.(thanks ivysarus).Your Nape is in for serious health problems,glad you joined so you can learn to help him live a long and happy life.See you around on the forum.
 
Right after Kazi came to live here, because of his plucking issue the vet said he needed to molt and told me to up his fat intake for a while and encourage a molt. So I did (while feeding him tons of Vit A rich foods) and it worked. But he also put on a bit too much weight.

Flying is the best exercise, but it's not the only exercise. Kazi can't fly. He's damaged his primaries so badly they're not growing back in save the end two or three on each wing. So he climbs. He climbs everywhere, he climbs everything. If he wants to get to somewhere, I make him climb, I don't offer to help him get there.

But mostly we just cut out a lot of the fat from his diet after he molted. Kazi dropped some weight and is back down to a normal sized bird again.

Mal's seed diet is probably his issue. I bet once you get him on good food he'll drop a lot of that weight. We just recently got an amazon at the rescue, a red lored, who is just the fattest little bird I've ever seen. Amazons LOVE to eat and they love to eat even more when it's bad for them! Kazi seems to love anything orange, so sweet potatoes, butternut squash, carrots, etc. Dark, leafy greens are also a good source of vitamin A and calcium, but Kazi doesn't care for them completely raw, so I have to nuke them for a few seconds first. Of course, that holds true for almost all his fresh food. He's picky.

And yes, clipped birds, even freshly clipped birds, can fly if startled enough. And the feathers do grow back, so keep an eye on that. Lots of birds are lost because the owners thought they were still clipped and step outside with their bird on their shoulder. Actually, last few times I was at the Petco in Ranson (where Kazi goes in with me on my shoulder!) there was a flier up for a CAG that had gotten away from its owner. I keep my eyes peeled for that little guy all the time.
 
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Malcolm is not interested in the pellet food, but we will continue to keep it in his cage maybe he will take to it.He won't eat anything orange! So I am going to have to find a way to trick him into eating more healthy things. Malcolm is also getting a little more exercise in by my putting him on the ground and making him walk to me before I will pick him up he has been flying a little bit more still does not get that he can not go through the walls.
 
Hahaha, parrots can be ridiculously picky and stubborn. When Kazi first came here I wasted half a huge butternut squash before I figured out how he liked it (cooked, slightly warm and lightly mashed).

Keep trying and keep offering all new foods in lots of different ways. Try eating some in front of him and exaggerating how awesome it is. Flutter your eyes, talk about how good it is, off him a bite, rinse, repeat until he gets the idea.

In Sally Blanchard's book about companion parrots she offers some recipes that are supposed to get birds to eat, even picky ones. I haven't had to resort to making baby food mashes yet or anything because if I'll try it, Kazi will try it and most of the time, unless it's truly disgusting (like carrot greens) he'll eat at least a little bit. If he's being a little obnoxious about trying something I'll dribble the tiniest bit of almond butter over it. That will usually entice him to at least eat the almond butter off and maybe he'll eat some of whatever it is he won't try too. That's how I got him to try, and realize he loves, romaine lettuce.
 
Here it comes from the cheap seats Put your bird on your hand hold his toes and run down the hall with him out in front he will flap and fly (sort of) but it will give him exercise unforturnately you have to get exercise too.
 
Here is a picture of him on my shoulder I don't know if you can tell how big he is...
 

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Here it comes from the cheap seats Put your bird on your hand hold his toes and run down the hall with him out in front he will flap and fly (sort of) but it will give him exercise unforturnately you have to get exercise too.
Haha I can see some serious injuries if I attempted to do that with malcolm!!! He would absolutely destroy me if I did that to him...we are still working on him trusting me.
 
1.3 kg Jesus as henpecked said thats like 1300 grams how big is the bird
I don't know how big a normal 'zon should be since I have never seen one except for Malcolm. I just know that everyone at the vet kept telling me he was a big boy.
 
I once read (American author) that Americans would have no concept of the metric system if it wasn't for cocaine so I am glad you guys are struggling.
I would say your vet is out by a factor of ten and that Malcolm needs to lose 150grams (there are 1000 grams to a kilogram just as there are 1000 metres to a kilometre).
Casper weighs 450 grams and the vet told us that the heaviest Amazon he has seen was 800.
We weigh Casper on a set of digital postal scales which cost us the equivalent of $20. Keeping track of weight is a good way of telling if your bird is sickening so I recommend you make a note of his weight at least once a month.
 
Agree! 1kg = 2.2 lbs! Surely he's not that big...but I don't doubt he's overweight. George was a McFatty, too, after years on a seed-based diet. Transitioning him to pellets is your best bet. That shaped him right up and he gets glowing weight reports now. I'm a fan of Harrison's Lifetime Course (or "fine" for my lovebird). Is that a favorite on this site? In a former life I was a vet tech at an exotics practice and that's what our vets swore by.

I transitioned George to pellets by putting them in his favorite food cup (and putting some seed in a NEW cup off to the side). He is rather intimidated by new things and chose what was in his familiar food cup over the new one. That won't work for every bird, but when I was mixing seed/pellets in the same cup, he just picked out the seeds. Offer lots of fruits and veggies - broccoli, carrots, apples, etc - less calorically dense and good for vitamin intake.

Forcing George to fly would wig him out. I think you are doing a great thing by making him walk to you for starters. That does not sound stressful and he gets the reward of a ride at the end.

Good luck!
 
Yup, he looks a little plump. lol

And my blue fronted zon is clipped and he can flutter to the ground when frightened. But he has also flown over 8 feet from the top of his cage to the couch when he wanted to be with his favorite person (my son). lol He also flew at me from his playstand when I was cleaning his cage (very cage territorial). That's when I learned that he must be in another room when I do that. ha ha
 
Went to the vet today to get Mal's beak and nails trimmed (what a difference!) and the vet says he need to lose 1.3 kg to be healthy. He is so fat that it is making him wheez when he gets excited! Anyways...I thought of a question I forgot to ask the vet, but I think you all can answer it. If a bird had his wing clipped do they grow back to the point he can fly? Malcolm today flew off his cage into the wall trying to escape going into his travel cage. He is suppose to be clipped and I read that they can still fly short distance even if they have been.
Also as a side note Mal had his first shower today and he loved it! He looks a lot better being clean;)

Hi Brittney

I have been speaking with a few Amazon owners and I can tell you that in most cases an Amazons problem is diet related. Our Orange Wing came to us after several failed homing attempts with real behavioural issues amongst other things. Since then we have encounterd a few people with similar problems and obese birds. Amazon's will eat rubbish all day long, so you need to be careful, because your bird will develop issues like Fatty Liver Disease or Vitamin A deficiencies. We feed our amazon, organic pellets plus once a day we will boil some vegetables carrots, peppers, broccoli etc. and melt a little cheese over it. The next feeding time we will give her a variety of fruit. This will ensure she gets a healthy balance of the right vitamins and calcium. The organic pellets are a good base but not enough on their own. Don't use coloured pellets. Just doing this has changed our parrot into a much healthier happier bird. Her plummage is also much more vibrant than when we got her a year ago.

Hope that is helpful.
 
sure it is mot 130g? Could we see som pic
 

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