Male or female eclectus? Eclectus just in general?

[Sa_2503]

I don't plan on having an Eclectus right now, but I'm investigating more about them. So, Eclectus owners or people with experiences, are Eclectus hens aggressive? Are males as docile as they are portrayed? Or is this just a shot in the dark? Also, are they cuddly (I don't mean all the time, but do they like head scratches every now and then?), and easy to handle? How do they do with kids? To clarify, I don't have a kid and I'm not planning on having any for at least another 10-12 years, but I do have little cousins and nephews that come every now and then. I also want to know how do they do around a little bit of chaos since my Mexican family likes to do parties every now and then. Thank you all to you that are reading my post and taking some time of their life to answer it!

 

[itzjbean]

Eclectus can be magnificent birds....but also incredibly aggressive when they hit puberty.

I've heard of very docile males being sweet as can be as babies but turning into terrors as they mature! This is simply from the threads I have read here, I am not an ekkie owner. But I will say I absolutely LOVE the turquoise blue male mutation that I see some breeders sell. Little fingers in cages may possibly mean getting them bit when they mature, just a warning if you want to have your younger relatives over.

They have quote complex diets, different than other parrots, so also take this into consideration -- you'll be meal prepping and preparing specific fruits and veggies for 40 years for them. They do require a specialized diet so take that into consideration -- a seed and pellet diet simply won't do.


A lot of their characteristics will be determined by how the breeder has socialized them! A lot of larger parrots do not do well around small children or busy households -- the noise can scare them and stress them out a lot.

All the best of luck!

 

[chris-md]

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to research well in advance of purchase, this puts you well ahead of most people in terms of preparedness.

May I ask how old you are? You talk about your big family, it sounds like you are still at home with parents? You say you are a ways off from purchasing, assuming you still live with your parents, one of your goals to getting closer is to be settled into your own place. The challenge is if you're bringing a parrot into a home with other people, EVERYONE need to buy in. Every single person, 100% in. Because they will all be inconvenienced by the bird when it screams or gets aggressive.

Be cautious when you generalize to a species: each bird has its own personality, and many times doesn't always fit the mold of what the internet suggests they are.

That said, with ekkies you can sort of generalize a LITTLE, due to the dynamics in the wild. The females can be bossy, opinionated things. Doesn't mean aggressive, that means they are more expressive with their opinions - a personality trait. Where a male might just sit there staring at you, a female might come up and let you know they don't like that cup your drinking out of. There are plenty of calmer females out there who are less opinionated, so take the generalization with a grain of salt. Due to territoriality and hormones, they could be quicker to bite than the males, but its hardly a certainty.

The males are a bit calmer in general. I like to say they are the stoners of the bird world, utter dufus dunderheads at times. But there are some, like my boy, who can have a fiery temper out of the blue when he wants. So again, grain of salt.

Ekkies as a rule - and this is almost universal - don't really like to be touched. I can pet my boys back all I want and run a single finger down his chest, but the head is off limits, and he lets me know it. Every bird is different in what they will tolerate, but you will usually encounter some form of resistance if you try to touch them SOMEWHERE.

Ekkies really aren't great birds to start off with if you've never owned birds before. I don't really believe in the concept of starter birds, but there are birds that are absolutely HARDER than others that newbies should think twice about. this is due to two reasons:

1. Diet: as noted above the ekkie diet is strict. Most medium/large parrots in captivity, in peoples homes, are on primarily pelleted diet, with other stuff thrown in for variety (fruits/veggies/grains/seeds). Thats fine for those, but you cannot feed an eclectus like that. They have unique physiology that requires them to eat mostly fresh fruits/vegetables/grains/etc. They are adapted for a wild diet that is relatively nutrient poor - their bodies are great at extracting nutrients from where there are little. But that means its somewhat easy for them to overabsorb vitamins and minerals, which can lead to significant health risks. Most pellets have added viatmins and minerals, making them unsuitable for eclectus consumption. Throwing seeds or pellets is a surefire way of eventually killing your bird. If you're looking for a bird ou can scoop food out of a bag and feed it, ekkies are not the bird for you. I wouldn't necessarily say the diet is complex, its just veggies/grains/fruits for the most part. Its just not a diet for lazy people who want to just scoop and dump seeds and pellets.

2. Hormones - most birds have breeding seasons, in the spring and partly in the fall. during these times they may get unruly/aggressive/amorous, some may become a challenge to handle for a few weeks. These are governed by environmental cues like daylength and temperature fluctuations. Ekkies are not subject to breeding seasons and in fact are able to breed year round. This means their breeding triggers aren't necessarily seasonal and you have to always be on the lookout. They can be induced to hormonal behavior by things like inappropriate touching/petting (anything but the head), lots of sugar in the diet (fruits are a big source of this), putting toys in the cage that you have seen cause the bird to, to name a few. Hormonal control can get complicated, its a very high learning curve to identify what's hormonal behavior and what isn't, whats causing it, and how to mitigate it. Its easier in seasonal birds, its not something you are doing wrong, its here and its gone, all mostly out of your control. With ekkies, if your bird is hormonal 24/7/365, its definitely YOU doing something wrong in the husbandry.

Speaking to how they do with large familys and kids, that will very from one bird to another, will depend on how respectful the kids are, how on point your training is, how well you learn your birds body languge and respect it when it says NO. There is a trope out there that ekkies are extremely sensitive and need a quiet home in order to really thrive, but I've not personally observed that in my bird or anyone elses for that matter. They are less likely to become one-person birds, so you have that going for you.

Hope this helps! ITs a lot to take in, but ekkies ARE a lot of bird to handle. If you do fine with a steep learning curve, you could in theory do well with them.

 

[wrench13]

So on point Chris!

 

[Sa_2503]

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to research well in advance of purchase, this puts you well ahead of most people in terms of preparedness.

May I ask how old you are? You talk about your big family, it sounds like you are still at home with parents? You say you are a ways off from purchasing, assuming you still live with your parents, one of your goals to getting closer is to be settled into your own place. The challenge is if you're bringing a parrot into a home with other people, EVERYONE need to buy in. Every single person, 100% in. Because they will all be inconvenienced by the bird when it screams or gets aggressive.

Be cautious when you generalize to a species: each bird has its own personality, and many times doesn't always fit the mold of what the internet suggests they are.

That said, with ekkies you can sort of generalize a LITTLE, due to the dynamics in the wild. The females can be bossy, opinionated things. Doesn't mean aggressive, that means they are more expressive with their opinions - a personality trait. Where a male might just sit there staring at you, a female might come up and let you know they don't like that cup your drinking out of. There are plenty of calmer females out there who are less opinionated, so take the generalization with a grain of salt. Due to territoriality and hormones, they could be quicker to bite than the males, but its hardly a certainty.

The males are a bit calmer in general. I like to say they are the stoners of the bird world, utter dufus dunderheads at times. But there are some, like my boy, who can have a fiery temper out of the blue when he wants. So again, grain of salt.

Ekkies as a rule - and this is almost universal - don't really like to be touched. I can pet my boys back all I want and run a single finger down his chest, but the head is off limits, and he lets me know it. Every bird is different in what they will tolerate, but you will usually encounter some form of resistance if you try to touch them SOMEWHERE.

Ekkies really aren't great birds to start off with if you've never owned birds before. I don't really believe in the concept of starter birds, but there are birds that are absolutely HARDER than others that newbies should think twice about. this is due to two reasons:

1. Diet: as noted above the ekkie diet is strict. Most medium/large parrots in captivity, in peoples homes, are on primarily pelleted diet, with other stuff thrown in for variety (fruits/veggies/grains/seeds). Thats fine for those, but you cannot feed an eclectus like that. They have unique physiology that requires them to eat mostly fresh fruits/vegetables/grains/etc. They are adapted for a wild diet that is relatively nutrient poor - their bodies are great at extracting nutrients from where there are little. But that means its somewhat easy for them to overabsorb vitamins and minerals, which can lead to significant health risks. Most pellets have added viatmins and minerals, making them unsuitable for eclectus consumption. Throwing seeds or pellets is a surefire way of eventually killing your bird. If you're looking for a bird ou can scoop food out of a bag and feed it, ekkies are not the bird for you. I wouldn't necessarily say the diet is complex, its just veggies/grains/fruits for the most part. Its just not a diet for lazy people who want to just scoop and dump seeds and pellets.

2. Hormones - most birds have breeding seasons, in the spring and partly in the fall. during these times they may get unruly/aggressive/amorous, some may become a challenge to handle for a few weeks. These are governed by environmental cues like daylength and temperature fluctuations. Ekkies are not subject to breeding seasons and in fact are able to breed year round. This means their breeding triggers aren't necessarily seasonal and you have to always be on the lookout. They can be induced to hormonal behavior by things like inappropriate touching/petting (anything but the head), lots of sugar in the diet (fruits are a big source of this), putting toys in the cage that you have seen cause the bird to, to name a few. Hormonal control can get complicated, its a very high learning curve to identify what's hormonal behavior and what isn't, whats causing it, and how to mitigate it. Its easier in seasonal birds, its not something you are doing wrong, its here and its gone, all mostly out of your control. With ekkies, if your bird is hormonal 24/7/365, its definitely YOU doing something wrong in the husbandry.

Speaking to how they do with large familys and kids, that will very from one bird to another, will depend on how respectful the kids are, how on point your training is, how well you learn your birds body languge and respect it when it says NO. There is a trope out there that ekkies are extremely sensitive and need a quiet home in order to really thrive, but I've not personally observed that in my bird or anyone elses for that matter. They are less likely to become one-person birds, so you have that going for you.

Hope this helps! ITs a lot to take in, but ekkies ARE a lot of bird to handle. If you do fine with a steep learning curve, you could in theory do well with them.

Hi! Thank you for such an extensive response! I guess I am considered quite young in the parrot owning community (I am 17 years old). I already have my college set and I live in Mexico (No residential college), my family is super on board with a parrot. I don't really have a lot of experience owning parrots, but my parents do! My mom had multiple Orange-fronted parakeets while she was growing up (they were my grandma's) and my dad used to have a red-fronted amazon that he loved to death (unfortunately they stole him because my grandma left it outside in its cage). They are also okay to help me take care of him if I can't take him with me immediately after I start living on my own. I was thinking about an Eclectus because they don't tend to be a 1 person bird. Also, their diet is one of the reasons I choose to investigate more about them. I love cooking! And I have a really veggie-based diet (I am "ironically" really picky with meat) so I think I would mind chopping a couple more veggies than mines (I meal prep my own food). Also, I hear that they tend to have a vitamin A deficiency? (That would mean more orange veggies for them, wouldn't it?). They don't really like to be touched? So sad! I guess that if I end up deciding to get and Eclectus I will just have to respect that. Kids that come to my house tend to be at least respectful of animals (they don't mess with my dogs), but I am kinda worried that while I am away talking to my older cousins they will try to touch them (let's be real, they are stunning). I am guessing that adults will do this too (uncles), but I do not care about them, they were warned, and they are not little kids. By the way, we tend to have family barbeques almost every weekend, but it mostly consists of my mom's sisters (so parrot experience there) and my older cousins (21 years old minimum and me). Also, I have a "little brother", he is 11 but quite respectful of animals in the household (he also tends to prefer slower animals? He likes tortoises and has his own). The house I am living on is big and has no connected neighbors, my dogs are also outdoor dogs.

If you have any recommendations on other parrots that may fit my lifestyle better please tell me! I am willing to research more of any species. Also, what are parrots that are cuddly (enjoy head scratches every now and then)

 

[Ekkietiel]

Speaking as someone who bought a bird at 18 while in college, and is now 34, I will caution you with purchasing a bird before being settled in post-college life. Every roommate you have in college will have different feelings about the bird. Your neighbors as well... My cockatiel is now almost 16 years old. I wouldn’t have changed my decisions but I can look back and see just HOW different my 20s could have been if not for her. Not coming home from the bar, or a friends house because you’re too tired isn’t an option when you’ve got a bird expecting you home. You may find it more difficult to move into your own place due to pet restrictions/noise ordinances.

Chris has been insanely helpful with our male eclectus. I’ve listened to his, and others’ advice from these forums the last few months and have seen great change in my guy. My wife and I love him dearly. The hormonal years have been hard, no question. And we both have worries about starting a family and how he’ll react to that change.

I’ll reiterate, we love our birds. They are a lot of work and certainly keep us from extended trips or weekend getaways (due to boarding cost). The rewards are worth it, but there is sacrifice. These are things that you may not even be thinking about yet but your future bird will be around for decades. Good luck!


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[Scott]

Welcome, deep respect for researching and having a clear mindset of desired attributes! I've had one each male and female Ekkie, completely agree with chris-md's assessment. I bonded closely with my female "Angel" and was able to touch her without restriction. However, the male "Sasquatch" was strictly business and merely tolerated gentle neck stroking. Specialized diet would dovetail with your affinity for veggies! Both of mine were extraordinarily good talkers, emphasis on stunningly clear voices - not the "gravelly" tone most common.

Cockatoos are worth a look if you prize cuddling and extroverted personalities. They come with a special set of cautions and needs. Various conure species are widely prized for socialization and ease of bonding. The "Sun" variety are striking beauties!

Students can accommodate life with a parrot if willing to sacrifice at times and are mindful of their extensive needs. I offer this beautifully written thread with much wisdom: http://www.parrotforums.com/new-mem...-students-should-ask-before-getting-bird.html

Good luck with your quest, we're here for advice and support!!

 

[Sa_2503]

Welcome, deep respect for researching and having a clear mindset of desired attributes! I've had one each male and female Ekkie, completely agree with chris-md's assessment. I bonded closely with my female "Angel" and was able to touch her without restriction. However, the male "Sasquatch" was strictly business and merely tolerated gentle neck stroking. Specialized diet would dovetail with your affinity for veggies! Both of mine were extraordinarily good talkers, emphasis on stunningly clear voices - not the "gravelly" tone most common.

Cockatoos are worth a look if you prize cuddling and extroverted personalities. They come with a special set of cautions and needs. Various conure species are widely prized for socialization and ease of bonding. The "Sun" variety are striking beauties!

Students can accommodate life with a parrot if willing to sacrifice at times and are mindful of their extensive needs. I offer this beautifully written thread with much wisdom: http://www.parrotforums.com/new-mem...-students-should-ask-before-getting-bird.html

Good luck with your quest, we're here for advice and support!!

Thank you for the useful link! I will definitely look more into the smaller cockatoos (or maybe the bigger ones too) and I will keep researching! Also, I am more than willing to sacrifice time with friends for my future parrot!

 

[chris-md]

So on point Chris!

Thank you sir!

Chris has been insanely helpful with our male eclectus. I’ve listened to his, and others’ advice from these forums the last few months and have seen great change in my guy.

Thats incredibly kind of you to say, I'm humbled. We don't often hear quite that feedback showing great strides like this. Glad to have had the opportunity to contribute in some way.

Cockatoos are worth a look if you prize cuddling and extroverted personalities. They come with a special set of cautions and needs.

My dear friend, why...on gods green earth...would you intentionally subject this poor kid to something as neurotic as a COCKATOO :headwall: :18:

 

[Ekkietiel]

If you’re dead set on getting a bird, and one that will cuddle with you, I’d look at cockatiels (Not cockatoos lol, they’re cute but crazy). They are very cuddly and love being pet. They adjust well to schedule changes. Males can learn to whistle and even say a few words (though less common). I have a male and a female cockatiel and love them both.

If you really are set on a parrot maybe look into a quaker. I’ve never owned one but know people who have. From my experiences they’re very friendly with their owners, smart and (let’s not forget) not nearly the hormone or dietary issues of an eclectus.


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[Sa_2503]

If you’re dead set on getting a bird, and one that will cuddle with you, I’d look at cockatiels (Not cockatoos lol, they’re cute but crazy). They are very cuddly and love being pet. They adjust well to schedule changes. Males can learn to whistle and even say a few words (though less common). I have a male and a female cockatiel and love them both.

If you really are set on a parrot maybe look into a quaker. I’ve never owned one but know people who have. From my experiences they’re very friendly with their owners, smart and (let’s not forget) not nearly the hormone or dietary issues of an eclectus.


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Yeah, did a quick search on cockatoos and I remembered why they went to the bottom of my list (I have been researching parrots for at least 3 years in order to find a good fit). I don't think I could handle a big cockatoo. I think an Eclectus will be a good fit for the moment (I will continue my research until I am really sure), and I don't mind if he doesn't let me touch him/her as much. I am actually looking for a bird that will most likely just enjoy spending time with us (being in the same place, perched on our arms, etc), and that will be receptive to trick training (clickers!). They are also known to be talkers, aren't they?

 

[chris-md]

I am actually looking for a bird that will most likely just enjoy spending time with us (being in the same place, perched on our arms, etc), and that will be receptive to trick training (clickers!). They are also known to be talkers, aren't they?

Yes, ekkies are great talkers, especially the males. But that is a species trait, so be careful about generalizations. There are plenty of ekkies who refuse to say a word. Most are closet talkers, who only talk when nobody is in their line of sight. its an attention getting device desiged to get to you come running to them.

You've really just described about every parrot out there. Macaws, cockatoos, budgies, ekkies...they all are completely amenable to clicker training, and thoroughly enjoy spending time with their human flock.

Heres the thing with one-person birds: Yes, they are a thing. But a good part of the cause of this problem, which is largely biologically drive at its core, is actually TRAINING!

One person birds aren't all aggressive to "others". OPB manifest in on a spectrum that ranges from happy to see everyone, to "ok, I'll come sit with you, but i"m watching my favorite person the whole time", to " *Fly away* leave me alone" to "I want to rip your face off".

All you hear is aggression, and thats because its a PROBLEM people seek help for. They don't seek help for a bird who will sit with them, even reluctantly. So aggression is not always the case. My ekkie manifests it in the form of always trying to escape from me and get to my partner whenever possible, his favorite hands down who can do no wrong, or at least ignore mean and coo at him. I get bit several times a year during hormones, my partner has never been bitten, not once.

Any bird showing aggression as a OPB can be trained to more readily accept handling from various people Its all about socialization from a young age. Get them handled by lots of people as young chicks/birds before maturity, and they'll more likely accept a wide range of people easily.

So with this in mind, I think you can broaden your options significantliy, depending on what is available to you in Mexico. You might check out Red Fronted Macaws, which are the largest of the MINI macaws ("mini" is relative, these are just a touch bigger than ekkies). These are known to have one of the best personalities of the macaw species. And they have the ability to hover in flight, something not a lot of other birds can do.

Or one of the smaller amazons, like the lilac crowned amazon. These can be really sweet.

 

[Sa_2503]

I am actually looking for a bird that will most likely just enjoy spending time with us (being in the same place, perched on our arms, etc), and that will be receptive to trick training (clickers!). They are also known to be talkers, aren't they?

Yes, ekkies are great talkers, especially the males. But that is a species trait, so be careful about generalizations. There are plenty of ekkies who refuse to say a word. Most are closet talkers, who only talk when nobody is in their line of sight. its an attention getting device desiged to get to you come running to them.

You've really just described about every parrot out there. Macaws, cockatoos, budgies, ekkies...they all are completely amenable to clicker training, and thoroughly enjoy spending time with their human flock.

Heres the thing with one-person birds: Yes, they are a thing. But a good part of the cause of this problem, which is largely biologically drive at its core, is actually TRAINING!

One person birds aren't all aggressive to "others". OPB manifest in on a spectrum that ranges from happy to see everyone, to "ok, I'll come sit with you, but i"m watching my favorite person the whole time", to " *Fly away* leave me alone" to "I want to rip your face off".

All you hear is aggression, and thats because its a PROBLEM people seek help for. They don't seek help for a bird who will sit with them, even reluctantly. So aggression is not always the case. My ekkie manifests it in the form of always trying to escape from me and get to my partner whenever possible, his favorite hands down who can do no wrong, or at least ignore mean and coo at him. I get bit several times a year during hormones, my partner has never been bitten, not once.

Any bird showing aggression as a OPB can be trained to more readily accept handling from various people Its all about socialization from a young age. Get them handled by lots of people as young chicks/birds before maturity, and they'll more likely accept a wide range of people easily.

So with this in mind, I think you can broaden your options significantliy, depending on what is available to you in Mexico. You might check out Red Fronted Macaws, which are the largest of the MINI macaws ("mini" is relative, these are just a touch bigger than ekkies). These are known to have one of the best personalities of the macaw species. And they have the ability to hover in flight, something not a lot of other birds can do.

Or one of the smaller amazons, like the lilac crowned amazon. These can be really sweet.

Thank you! I really like Amazons, and I look more into them (just afraid of buying a wild-caught one, but I guess that as long as they have all the permits and come from a respectable breeder this will not happen). I guess what I was really afraid of is that the bird will choose someone else as their favorite (that's why I was really going for ekkies, but apparently all parrots choose favorites), but since I will be the one doing most of the interaction with him (training, food making, cage cleaning) I can only hope that they will choose me, or at least tolerate me.

 

[chris-md]

Amazons are biters. There’s that generalization again. No, they aren’t biters. They get a bad rap particularly because puberty can potentially hit them hard (more aggressive, perhaps more more than other species would be during the same life phase). But that behavior during puberty is hardly unique to amazons.

One word about the eclectus diet: this is a situation where what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Ekkies can’t be on the diet of other parrots, but the eclectus diet being really just fresh food, ANY parrot can eat that. Almost Any species would do very well munching along with you on your veggie dinner. Many other non eclectus parrot owners feed their birds a fresh fruit and vegetable diet. So you aren’t very limited there.

 

[Sa_2503]

Amazons are biters. There’s that generalization again. No, they aren’t biters. They get a bad rap particularly because puberty can potentially hit them hard (more aggressive, perhaps more more than other species would be during the same life phase). But that behavior during puberty is hardly unique to amazons.

One word about the eclectus diet: this is a situation where what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Ekkies can’t be on the diet of other parrots, but the eclectus diet being really just fresh food, ANY parrot can eat that. Almost Any species would do very well munching along with you on your veggie dinner. Many other non eclectus parrot owners feed their birds a fresh fruit and vegetable diet. So you aren’t very limited there.

Thank you for the answers! You have been so helpful in opening new options for parrot choosing! I will look more into different species available here in Mexico. I think that I will really like to keep researching more options.

 

[Sa_2503]

Amazons are biters. There’s that generalization again. No, they aren’t biters. They get a bad rap particularly because puberty can potentially hit them hard (more aggressive, perhaps more more than other species would be during the same life phase). But that behavior during puberty is hardly unique to amazons.

One word about the eclectus diet: this is a situation where what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Ekkies can’t be on the diet of other parrots, but the eclectus diet being really just fresh food, ANY parrot can eat that. Almost Any species would do very well munching along with you on your veggie dinner. Many other non eclectus parrot owners feed their birds a fresh fruit and vegetable diet. So you aren’t very limited there.

Thank you for the answers! You have been so helpful in opening new options for parrot choosing! I will look more into different species available here in Mexico. I think that I will really like to keep researching more options.

Quick update! I have researched a lot and eliminated amazons, Scarlet macaws, military macaws, and quaker parrots from my list. Selling and buying these parrots is illegal here in Mexico. Quakers are invasive(damn people that release their pets) amazons and macaws are national parrots and get trafficked a lot. Other than that, I am still researching!

Edit: Blue and Gold macaws along with Greenwing macaws are still ok!
Edit 2: I could still buy a blue-crowned amazon, but I will keep away from it just in case (I want to keep stuff 100% legal)

 

[Scott]

Kudos for your continued enthusiasm and research!

Green Wings are standouts in the world of macaws. In my experience they have a more mellow disposition compared with Blue & Gold. Macaws tend to use the beak for bluffing, and thankfully are less likely to bite in extreme anger. All you ever wanted to know about those beaks! http://www.parrotforums.com/macaws/56384-big-beak-o-phobes-guide-understanding-macaw-beaks.html

 

[Sa_2503]

Kudos for your continued enthusiasm and research!

Green Wings are standouts in the world of macaws. In my experience they have a more mellow disposition compared with Blue & Gold. Macaws tend to use the beak for bluffing, and thankfully are less likely to bite in extreme anger. All you ever wanted to know about those beaks! http://www.parrotforums.com/macaws/56384-big-beak-o-phobes-guide-understanding-macaw-beaks.html

Thank you so much for the useful link! I am actually inclining myself more towards the blue and gold macaw (Love the green wing, but they are a tad too expensive). I also found a good breeder that sells them (B&G) for $1800, which is so much better than the $3250 of the green wing.

 

[Scott]

Kudos for your continued enthusiasm and research!

Green Wings are standouts in the world of macaws. In my experience they have a more mellow disposition compared with Blue & Gold. Macaws tend to use the beak for bluffing, and thankfully are less likely to bite in extreme anger. All you ever wanted to know about those beaks! http://www.parrotforums.com/macaws/56384-big-beak-o-phobes-guide-understanding-macaw-beaks.html

Thank you so much for the useful link! I am actually inclining myself more towards the blue and gold macaw (Love the green wing, but they are a tad too expensive). I also found a good breeder that sells them (B&G) for $1800, which is so much better than the $3250 of the green wing.

Initial cost is important consideration, considering the expense of quality cage, perches, toys, etc! Quite a price disparity between the two species!!

 

[Alembic772]

So I have both a make and female Ekkie. Basil just turned 23 years old last week, and Paprika is around 22 weeks old how.

Basil is very chill. He likes to be out and hang out, but doesn’t prefer to be held a lot. He’s never been into getting petted or scritches. He will let you hold him upside or like a football and is generally gentle minded. He just isn’t into hanging out in your shoulder or arm. He’d rather be on his perch next to you or on top of the cage while you are on the couch.

Paprika is still just a baby. But she is very different then Basil was. She likes her time to explore the house and loves to look out the front windows and scream any time a bird comes in view. She also loves to fly over and land on you if you are at the table or on the couch. She loves falling asleep on my shoulder and also loves to sit like a chicken on eggs on my chest and fall asleep. She loves the back of her head rubbed and also her beak rubbed. She will also go into assault mode sometimes where she lashes out at everything. She doesn’t bite hard but she definitely lets you know she’s in a certain mood.

This is just my experience. I have heard that females can get more aggressive as they hit puberty and you want to avoid allowing them into any dark spaces that they could see as a nest.


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