Nystatin in parrots

[PacMan]

I made some posts these days talking about the sudden infestation of (possible) megabacteria in my flock, 2 of them died and one is sick with the same symptoms.

My vet was prescribing detox and antibiotics, but shes not an avian vet. I managed to get contact of a vet who has a yt channel of 100k+ subscribers about parrots, and he said i should give nystatin (0,3/0,4 in a 1cc syringe) even to my 2 Conures who dont have contact with the budgies and cockatiel. Im going to wake up as early as possible tomorrow to buy it, anyone has had experience with nystatin?

The one he recommended is for humans, even has cherry flavor

He also said to give biovicerin if someone appears to have diarrhea

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Nystatin is an antifungal. I looked up using Bacillus cereus probiotics in birds and it says it's helpful. I'm not qualified to say anything other than that and to recommend doing what an avian vet recommends. Does this vet know you've had 2 very recent deaths from him 6h

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Does this vet know you've had 2 very recent deaths from GI distress?

 

[PacMan]

Nystatin is an antifungal. I looked up using Bacillus cereus probiotics in birds and it says it's helpful. I'm not qualified to say anything other than that and to recommend doing what an avian vet recommends. Does this vet know you've had 2 very recent deaths from him 6h

Yes i told everything that happend, he said its all classic megabacteria symptoms

 

[DonnaBudgie]

That's great. Is the other female still sick?

 

[PacMan]

That's great. Is the other female still sick?

Yes, i will give the medicine to her as soon as possible

 

[PacMan]

That's great. Is the other female still sick?

Sadly she also died today before i could even give her the medicine, these past days doesnt even feel real, so depressing. I threw away the cage, perches, bowls and the blanket of her cage, hopefully no other bird will be infected

 

[nkrbkr]

Sadly she also died today before i could even give her the medicine, these past days doesnt even feel real, so depressing. I threw away the cage, perches, bowls and the blanket of her cage, hopefully no other bird will be infected

So sorry. I hope the new medication helps prevent issues with your other birds.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

How horrible! If my flock of budgies started dying like this I would be devastated! Your poor birds and poor you! Please take deep breaths. It helps when feeling overwhelmed with grief, trust me.
How many budgies do you have left? We're they caged with any of the ones that died? Are they getting medicine? What's your plan for now? Try to disinfect as much stuff as you can that your birds use or contact with. This is obviously an Infectious disease. A nightmare, indeed!

 

[PacMan]

How horrible! If my flock of budgies started dying like this I would be devastated! Your poor birds and poor you! Please take deep breaths. It helps when feeling overwhelmed with grief, trust me.
How many budgies do you have left? We're they caged with any of the ones that died? Are they getting medicine? What's your plan for now? Try to disinfect as much stuff as you can that your birds use or contact with. This is obviously an Infectious disease. A nightmare, indeed!

I have only 4 budgies now, all males, not too long ago i used to have 3 cages, one with 5 budgies, one with 4 budgies and a tiel (they are only inside the cage to sleep, in the rest of day they are out, in a room just for them) and the other one with my 2 conures (who also only are in the cage to sleep, rest of the day they are with me)

Now for the budgies/tiel i use just one cage, they did used to share cage with the budgies who died. I feel bad in particular for a male that lost 2 partners, and my tiel who lost her best and only friend, these 2 girls were best friends for almost 8 years.

I did started with the medicines, im just in doubt if i give it to my conures or not, now gotta wait for the exams to see if i keep with this medicine or change it to a more aggresive one, i should have sent the exams last week or a few days ago but it didnt worked out due to bad luck and by a mistake by my vet, hopefully this weekend we will already know the results, i already collected more poop today.

Also thanks for your comments and your help! I really appreciate it!

 

[DonnaBudgie]

I would give the medication to all your birds just in case. This illness seems pretty serious and contagious.

 

[rheashard2]

I'm leaning towards giving it to everyone too. Check to see what vector is; perch, cage, dishes, air, carpet etc. Then clean as well as possible to eliminate it. Sorry for your loss. Take care of yourself so you can take care of them!!

 

[PacMan]

I would give the medication to all your birds just in case. This illness seems pretty serious and contagious.

My birds' lab results just came back. It says the megabacteria detection is 'discreet' in the conures, 'moderate' in the cockatiel, and 'rare' in the budgerigars. I'm extremely worried, i wonder what each term means, im waiting an answer from the vet

 

[rheashard2]

I'd definitely ask vet to explain. Looking terms up online can be problematic. These terms can mean different depending upon lab. Some human labs use these terms to indicate storage.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

How are the rest of your birds doing? Have any more fallen ill?

 

[PacMan]

How are the rest of your birds doing? Have any more fallen ill?

So far everyone seems okay, im talking to my vet about amph b, it seems that it cant be bought normally and we have to ask for a laboratory to make it in a liquid form.

Im weighing all of my birds multiple times a day, im not sure if some are losing weight, or just its a normal variation of weight during the day. One of my budgies was 27g today (normally he's 30) and my older Conure was 62g this morning before eating (normally she's 65-67g) but later both were at their usual weight so im not sure if its a problem or im just getting paranoid, im literally researching and asking vets and experienced people on forums about this disease all day, has been very exhausting. I was also recommended to not to travel to the closest avian vet, because stress can trigger the symptoms and make the bird gets worse so im very lost right now

 

[Vampiric_Conure]

How frustrating! **Hugs** I'm so sorry for the loss you've been experiencing. Hopefully the vet can explain things further to you

 

[DonnaBudgie]

It sounds like you've got this under control at least for now. If they're eating normally and they're pooping normally and not vomiting or look in distess small fluctuations in weight are normal. A 3 gram variation in a 30 gram budgie is quite a bit so watch that guy! It also may just be limitations of your scale. How many decimal points does your scale measure to?

 

[PacMan]

It sounds like you've got this under control at least for now. If they're eating normally and they're pooping normally and not vomiting or look in distess small fluctuations in weight are normal. A 3 gram variation in a 30 gram budgie is quite a bit so watch that guy! It also may just be limitations of your scale. How many decimal points does your scale measure to?

My scale is exactly like this one, but good idea, i will try to find one with more precision, mine only shows whole numbers (i have 2, one for the conures and other for the budgied/cockatiel)

And im worried about this little Budgie guy as well because he's blind, im surprised he still can eat normally without trouble, i also wonder how he perceived the death of the female budgies, might be very confusing for him

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Since your scale doesn't show decimal places, the actual weight will be rounded to the closest whole number, so a budgie that actually weighs 27.4 grams will read as 27 and a 29.6 gram budgie will read as 30 grams. This takes a 2.2 gram difference in weight and makes it read as a 3 gram difference. Just something to keep in mind.

Just make sure the blind budgie always has plenty of food closeby.