What are your thoughts of this video?

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My conure Kiwi has been sick. She is doing so/so. This is a video of something I’ve been trying to describe to her vets. I don’t know what it is, or how to describe it, or If it even means anything significant. To me it doesn’t seem right. She was doing this on her perch too, and she looks unsteady (it looks worse in the incubator). I’d feel terrible if she’s just doing this in her incubator as her tail is hitting the bottom of the fish tank, and maybe she doesn’t like it. This is waking her out of a dead sleep. I have a camera to watch her throughout the night so I don’t disrupt her by walking up.

I just wanted to gather other parrot owners thoughts on what this looks like. Kiwi is in her cage during the day, and the incubator at night to keep her warm. I also am afraid she might fall off her perch. I might be being over protective. She’s my first parrot as an adult, and she’s the entire reason I’ve rescued parrots. She’s my inspiration.
 

This is another video. She’s like this all night long on and off.
 
I can see it. šŸ˜• It's not normal. Kiwi suddenly lifts her head and her tail while resting. It seems something is affecting her nervous system. When she does that movements, is she conscious or in a trance? And, when was the first time you noticed this behavior?
Does she have a diagnosis by the vet?
 
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It does look like her tail touching the floor is disturbing her.
Does she poop regular throughout the night.
Maybe she is just lifting her tail for a dump, it hard to tell from the video.
 
Possible breathing difficulties?
Hard to see.
Recently Chester the M2 had a short episode that looked like breathing difficulty. Nothing going on in the house to explain it. About 15 minutes later he seemed fine. Can't explain it.
 
If Kiwi does have avian bornavirus, it can present with nervous system issues, as well as gastrointestinal, etc. I can’t quite tell from the video what is happening, but it’s possible she could be having some balance problems.

Does she have a low perch in the incubator?
 
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Her vets do think she has bornavirus, and she is on the medication celecoxib. I just started hand feeding her Harrison’s recovery formula. She is still eating on her own too. Her poop on and off does have little pieces of seed still. During the day she looks good. At night when she is sleeping is when she gets these symptoms I have no experience with.

Unfortunately, from a vet standpoint euthanasia would be the next step. From my understanding there isn’t anything else to offer. I’m sort of on my own with this. So if anyone may understand anything about this please do help.
 
Her vets do think she has bornavirus, and she is on the medication celecoxib. I just started hand feeding her Harrison’s recovery formula. She is still eating on her own too. Her poop on and off does have little pieces of seed still. During the day she looks good. At night when she is sleeping is when she gets these symptoms I have no experience with.

Unfortunately, from a vet standpoint euthanasia would be the next step. From my understanding there isn’t anything else to offer. I’m sort of on my own with this. So if anyone may understand anything about this please do help.
How has the formula been going?
 
How has the formula been going?
She’s puking it up, and that’s when the seeds in her poop started over again. My husband thinks her diet is responsible for this. We are going to try another formula.
 
She’s puking it up, and that’s when the seeds in her poop started over again. My husband thinks her diet is responsible for this. We are going to try another formula.
Dang. I’m so sorry. I hope you have some luck with another formula. ā¤ļø
 
Her vets do think she has bornavirus, and she is on the medication celecoxib. I just started hand feeding her Harrison’s recovery formula. She is still eating on her own too. Her poop on and off does have little pieces of seed still. During the day she looks good. At night when she is sleeping is when she gets these symptoms I have no experience with.

Unfortunately, from a vet standpoint euthanasia would be the next step. From my understanding there isn’t anything else to offer. I’m sort of on my own with this. So if anyone may understand anything about this please do help.

If Kiwi's behavior occurs constantly during the day, or during certain times, it might be some kind of seizure.
Have they checked her for other infections? (Salmonella, E. Coli, or parasites). I ask you this because sometimes these types of bacterial or parasitic infections can complicate the viral clinical picture. Then, treating those might be important for her recovery .

It's necessary you observe when does she have these 'seizures'. When she's resting, when she tries to walk/fly, while eating or drinking water. Does it increase its frequency before or after the medication? Does it increase after eating? After other visual, auditory or temperature triggers?
Too much heat can be threatening for birds, even though they are sick.

- I don't know where you are living, letting Kiwi staying indoors with a soft bed (a cut blanket for dogs or cats) instead of a perch could be a good option. If it's too cold, a cloth curtain on her cage or placing her cage away from drafts might be helpful. Observe her and make the changes that will make her feel more comfortable.

-Sometimes, the bird is too sensitive to certain medications. Not all birds have the same response, or their bodies might be saturated after a long time treatment. So, if you notice she has more seizures after taking her medication, than when its effect seems to be wearing off... Or if the seizures began or worsen after the medication, it might not be suitable for her ( the medication or its dose). Of course, if you see her health improving after the medication, then there's nothing to worry about this issue.

- If she can't digest seeds or she has seizures while chewing them, don't offer seeds to her. Even though she wants to. Bird formula may be a better option, for sick birds or baby birds. Choose one with most vitamins and other nutrients. It needs to be easy to dissolve in water . Be careful with formulas with peanuts, almonds, or "organic" products (might be vectors of secondary infections). If Kiwi likes veggies or fruits, be careful and wash them well before offering them to her (to avoid secondary infections).

- Also, ask your vet to help you choose some probiotics (good bacteria to help digestion and her recovery). This is important. If the bird formula includes probiotics, that would be enough to cover Kiwi's nutritional needs.

- Clean her cage every day. At least once a day. Buy F10 SC disinfectant or another one your vet recommends. Every day clean her whole cage, her food bowl and spoon, her water bowl, also change her bed and wash her dirty blankets. A cut huge blanket for dogs could be many tiny blankets for Kiwi .

My best wishes for you and Kiwi, I hope she gets better soon. Don't lose hope. It is a tough situation for both of you. Some virus infections (like this, Marek, paramyxovirus,etc.) have bad prognosis because the affected birds need constant care 24/7, and most vets, vet assistants and owners have no time to take care of these birds. It's hard, you will feel tired, desperate, but believe me, it's worth it. Keep in mind Kiwi could be going to heaven, but she could recover and stay with you. Don't give up. And do you best effort, because Kiwi is doing hers to stay with you.
 
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She’s puking it up, and that’s when the seeds in her poop started over again. My husband thinks her diet is responsible for this. We are going to try another formula.
Try another. Don't be afraid of purchasing a commercial formula like Pretty Bird or other ones.
When my birds get sick, I have fed them Pretty Bird, Zupreem, Psittacus, Macao or TOP'S. The first two in this list have been helpful when they have gastrointestinal issues, also Oasis Alive and Well (when my budgie, who's also named Kiwi, only wanted to eat red milled seed and when Zafiro, my young ruddy ground dove, was recovering after a salmonella infection when she got arthritis and seizures).
 

This is Kiwi during the day. Shes chewing up perches, and appears okay. At night time is when she starts having issues. Sometimes during the day when she takes her parrot naps she will have these issues too. All of it has to do with sleeping, and it’s like she not sleeping at all.
 
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This is Kiwi during the day. Shes chewing up perches, and appears okay. At night time is when she starts having issues. Sometimes during the day when she takes her parrot naps she will have these issues too. All of it has to do with sleeping, and it’s like she not sleeping at all.

She's beautiful. Yes, she's trying to do her normal activities, but when she relaxes it's obvious she can't avoid to show some signs of neurological issues.

Watch this video:

This is about a Quacker that has recovered. If Yossie could, there might be chance for Kiwi.
 
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She's beautiful. Yes, she's trying to do her normal activities, but when she relaxes it's obvious she can't avoid to show some signs of neurological issues.

Watch this video:

This is about a Quacker that has recovered. If Yossie could, there might be chance for Kiwi.
I did watch a few of the YouTube videos by this lady. It sounds like a few of her beloved parrots were lost to the bornavirus. You can tell this lady is heartbroken. These are hard videos to watch.

Kiwi has not been tested for the bornavirus. I was informed there are false positives, and false negatives when parrots are tested.

I’ve dealt with my Ekkie’s feather plucking which could be severe at times. The worst I’ve ever seen him is when we moved. Nico did not deal with that well. I have never seen seeds in parrot poop before Kiwi getting sick. Nico is ABV positive with labs.

Kiwi was on gabapentin which I hope makes her unstable. I don’t want her to have neurological issues. It’s a bad sign. From my understanding it would imply a more advanced stage of bornavirus.

We did just transfer Kiwi to a new pellet within the last year I am just going to hope her diet is responsible. Maybe the pellets have too much protein.

Yes, I may be ignorant, and in denial but hope is all one can have in this situation, and I really hope Kiwi pulls through whatever she has going on.

Thank you everyone for the support, and help.
 

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