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Old 04-21-2011, 11:11 PM
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Although its beautiful, I wish they wouldn't do that....its a lot of inbreeding....it cause the birds to have genetic defects....
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Old 04-21-2011, 11:14 PM
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Ah, didn't even think that might have been the way they came up with the mutation. That is too bad.
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyTN View Post
Although its beautiful, I wish they wouldn't do that....its a lot of inbreeding....it cause the birds to have genetic defects....
Blue is a recessive mutation. In the case of the eclectus it has occured naturally & even if a son was bred with the mother & daughter to the father or brother & sister are bred so the color can be passed on in that family it is also easy to out cross into normal unrelated birds. Out come of matings. So i very much doubt that there is to much imbreeding with this color.

Blue x Normal = 100% Normal/Blue
Normal/Blue X Blue = 50% Normal/Blue
+ 50% Blue
Normal/Blue X Normal/Blue = 25% Normal
+ 50%Normal/Blue
+ 25% Blue
Blue X Blue = 100% Blue

I don't know how true it is but i did read that the blue eclectus was the result of brother & sister accidentally breeding together. Because only 2 chicks are the usual clutch it's taking some time to be readly available. I would also say that the breeders that are lucky to have this mutation in their breeding program would certainly be breeding good stock. The USA & Europe have the blue eclectus well under development. As far as i know there are also a few pairs in Australia.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:02 AM
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

It's still considered inbreeding between a brother and sister. Or with father with daughter, grandfather with grand daughter, etc. That's how they come up with the different mutations with all the other species. Don't get me wrong, I think they're beautiful, but I would never attempt such a process. For example, look at Lutino Cockatiels, genetic defect with the loss of head feathers, sometimes bad to the point it gets all the way to their back because they've been bred to other Lutinos over and over. I used to read a lot on genetics and how they come up with all these mutations back then when I used to breed.

Same thing with a lot of genetic defects with our dogs, same process applies....
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Hey Mike, I bought both My Green wing and Eclectus from Mountain Ridge. I saw the mutations and yes they are $30,000.00, The reason they are so high is due to being so raer and Jeanette having the Mutation Female and Mutation Male that are not related and the off spring are the ones she sells. They are amazing. Thanks for posting my Breeder's website. Joe
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Mikey I don't know how big the gene pool for your imported parrots namely the Australian parrots go but our gene pool on imports are very small & i would take a guess that almost all exotics in our country are related one way or another. Especially now we have a total ban on importing parrots.

Also in the wild i often wonder about how closely related a family flock would be. What is your view on that.

I know what happens with the imbreeding & cross breeding with dogs & cats go. We are not permitted to knowingly cross breed 2 different species of parrots & i do frown on that anyway. Although i know it does happen in Australia from time to time, mostly from inexperienced owners that just have a couple of birds & don't know the rules.

There has been sightings of mutation parrots in the wild but i don't think they survive very long as they become a target for predators.

I also bred Cockatiels & was very interested in the genetics of them. I also bred Lutino's but i had almost bred that trait out of them. The secret of quality stock was to always have a couple of the wild colored males to keep the birds strong. But nowdays it's very hard to get a normal colored tiel that isn't multisplit. I am afraid if this fetish with mutations gets to out of hand in the future we will not see a wild colored parrot they maybe lost forever.

The only mutation i have in my aviaries is a normal pair of GCC but the male is split cinnamon. Although i do really like the blue mutation. Don't care to much for any of the other colors. Except maybe the GCC pineapple mutation i find them very pretty.
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Now there are so many here in the states even some were related at one point, they're way down in generations now which wont be much threat.

I know what you mean about not seeing the wild coloring in the years to come.

As far as the mutations go out in the wild, most don't stand a chance. Even albino monkeys gets killed or left behind. With my white husky, he has stomach issue, he wont last out in the wild.
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Quote: Originally Posted by JJones1719 View Post
Hey Mike, I bought both My Green wing and Eclectus from Mountain Ridge. I saw the mutations and yes they are $30,000.00, The reason they are so high is due to being so raer and Jeanette having the Mutation Female and Mutation Male that are not related and the off spring are the ones she sells. They are amazing. Thanks for posting my Breeder's website. Joe
Joe, they're very interesting!!! Is that the only pair she has?
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Mike, No she has been breeding these mutations for years. God, she has so many birds in her Mountain top house, I would go crazy. All of her birds are very well cared for and she only sells the best of her stock. My two birds are amazing and their personalities are great. I have never seen the deep color of her birds on anyother birds. I am always asked where I purchased my boys from as bird fanciers who own the same spieces as mine just don't have that rich color.
I don't know what her secret is, I can only tell you that the quality of birds she has are truely amazing.
She is now breeding Hy Macaws and just got her first mating pair. I can't wait to see the babies, her bonded pair of HY are huge, deep blue and really bright yellow.
You really need to see her Mutation Eclectus as they really are special. I really like the males over the females. The blue color is much deeper then the females. Thanks Joe
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Re: Rare Eclectus Mutation!

Somehow I like the coloring on the female better...lol

My partner asked me this the other day, would you like to have a Hyacinth Macaw? I said I would LOVE to, but I am not willing to spend that type of money. With that type of money, I can build a gigantic outdoor aviary for my birds. So it would be the same that's being applied to a $30,000 bird....I enjoy my regular colored SI Eclectus pair and I wouldn't have them any other way....
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