Baby Coconut might have a crop infection!!!!!!??????

[Tropical]

Sorry to post again... but the Nystatin drug says: "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] If the sample tests positive and clinical signs are positive, the bird should be placed in quarantine and treatment should begin immediately." Source: http://www.avianbiotech.com/diseases/Candida.htm

... but the vet said what coconut has CANNOT be transferred to Rascal...arrghhh! I feel like I need second opinion!

She said since Coconut is a baby his immune system is weaker which is why this happened. I would have preferred to have also gotten a culture done.. .but this vet does not do cultures.
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[Scott]

I just got back from the vet. Coconut it totally exhausted from the trip... he's not used to being out and about with me every day like Rascal is. Rascal came with me and sat on my shoulder the entire time... he was wearing his flightsuit

Vet did a gram stain on Coconut and said he has yeast overgrowth... she prescribed Nystatin (2 drops daily for one week). I see Nystatin is [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]commonly prescribed anti-fungal agent.... but I am still confused what if he has an INFECTION??? I forgot to ask... lady at front desk told me Nystatin would get rid of infection if he also might have infection.....??

The vet said she doesn't do cultures because they are not accurate and a waste of money.... that was her opinion on cultures so the only thing Coconut had done is a gram stain. HOPE that is enough! She said the yeast can indeed cause that horrid pungent fishy smell.

She also said what the guy in the video in my prior post above is doing is extremely dangerous because of the bird's asparagus... anytime anything is forced insde a bird's throat is very foolish dangerous thing to do.

.... so that's why happened on my vet visit.... oh... she also said to NOT put ACV (apple cider vinegar with the mother) into the water.... and that ACV is only necessary if something is awry in the gram stain and to NOT give it to any bird taking Nystatin medication.

... I am NEVER satisfied until I have second opinion on things but I think Coconut has had enough stress and I guess another gram stain will be done in about two weeks... will see how that gram stain is then
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Vet visits are stressful for parrot and owner. It is helpful - unless it is a grab and go emergency appointment - to write a list of questions before arrival. More questions naturally arise during and after the visit, and a conscientious vet will be glad to answer follow ups.

You seem unsure whether Coconut has an infection. Sometimes the printed receipt has documentation of not only the charges but also the findings. Often a vet will strongly presume an infection without testing and give a dose of meds to be sure.

 

[Tropical]

I just got back from the vet. Coconut it totally exhausted from the trip... he's not used to being out and about with me every day like Rascal is. Rascal came with me and sat on my shoulder the entire time... he was wearing his flightsuit

Vet did a gram stain on Coconut and said he has yeast overgrowth... she prescribed Nystatin (2 drops daily for one week). I see Nystatin is [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]commonly prescribed anti-fungal agent.... but I am still confused what if he has an INFECTION??? I forgot to ask... lady at front desk told me Nystatin would get rid of infection if he also might have infection.....??

The vet said she doesn't do cultures because they are not accurate and a waste of money.... that was her opinion on cultures so the only thing Coconut had done is a gram stain. HOPE that is enough! She said the yeast can indeed cause that horrid pungent fishy smell.

She also said what the guy in the video in my prior post above is doing is extremely dangerous because of the bird's asparagus... anytime anything is forced insde a bird's throat is very foolish dangerous thing to do.

.... so that's why happened on my vet visit.... oh... she also said to NOT put ACV (apple cider vinegar with the mother) into the water.... and that ACV is only necessary if something is awry in the gram stain and to NOT give it to any bird taking Nystatin medication.

... I am NEVER satisfied until I have second opinion on things but I think Coconut has had enough stress and I guess another gram stain will be done in about two weeks... will see how that gram stain is then
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Vet visits are stressful for parrot and owner. It is helpful - unless it is a grab and go emergency appointment - to write a list of questions before arrival. More questions naturally arise during and after the visit, and a conscientious vet will be glad to answer follow ups.

You seem unsure whether Coconut has an infection. Sometimes the printed receipt has documentation of not only the charges but also the findings. Often a vet will strongly presume an infection without testing and give a dose of meds to be sure.

I did have to call them on the way home to ask 2 questions I forgot to ask while I was there, my bad.

The only thing the paper I got back says he had a gram stain done and a physical exam... just very basic stuff. Wow, I just noticed gram stain was only $23... the other 2 vets charged twice that amount. The Nystation drug was only 10 bucks.

 

[Tropical]

EDIT: My bad... I just edited this post 5 thousand times. Rascal just happened to adjust his crop and it smelled like NOTHING. This gave me reassurance that Coconut does indeed have a problem because Coconut's smelled like very pungent nasty dead rotting fish when he adjusted his crop.... even though his breath smells like nothing otherwise... this is what is throwing me off.

 

[smbrds]

Did they say what caused the yeast? Odd, it seems that yeast is a common condition. It is good Coconut got checked out as soon as he did and he was given treatment.

 

[plumsmum2005]

I just got back from the vet. Coconut it totally exhausted from the trip... he's not used to being out and about with me every day like Rascal is. Rascal came with me and sat on my shoulder the entire time... he was wearing his flightsuit

Vet did a gram stain on Coconut and said he has yeast overgrowth... she prescribed Nystatin (2 drops daily for one week). I see Nystatin is [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]commonly prescribed anti-fungal agent.... but I am still confused what if he has an INFECTION??? I forgot to ask... lady at front desk told me Nystatin would get rid of infection if he also might have infection.....??

The vet said she doesn't do cultures because they are not accurate and a waste of money.... that was her opinion on cultures so the only thing Coconut had done is a gram stain. HOPE that is enough! She said the yeast can indeed cause that horrid pungent fishy smell.

She also said what the guy in the video in my prior post above is doing is extremely dangerous because of the bird's asparagus... anytime anything is forced insde a bird's throat is very foolish dangerous thing to do.

.... so that's why happened on my vet visit.... oh... she also said to NOT put ACV (apple cider vinegar with the mother) into the water.... and that ACV is only necessary if something is awry in the gram stain and to NOT give it to any bird taking Nystatin medication.

... I am NEVER satisfied until I have second opinion on things but I think Coconut has had enough stress and I guess another gram stain will be done in about two weeks... will see how that gram stain is then
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Pleased to see you got to see AV and yes it would be best not to interfere with the medication by doing ACV as well. Hope little 'nut takes to his meds Ok.

 

[Tropical]

Vet claims he got this yeast problem because he is a baby and his immune system is "weaker because of that"... but that doesn't sit right with me. Then again what do I know about this topic... I'm no expert on this that's for sure.

I am a MASSIVE clean freak though... you should see hot spotless their cage is at all times LOL Their water bowls are also always very clean... so it's not because of unsanitary conditions. I also don't leave veggies to sit out in their cage for more than an hour... except for kale... that stays in cage for about 2 hours and welts by time I get home from gym.

The very first time I gave Coconut the medication via syringe he very willingly took it like a champ but then very quickly realized it's not water in the syringe and now I have to pin him down with a towel or else forget about it lol

I am having the gram stain re-done this upcoming Monday... hoping everything will be OK by then. If not, I go to get second opinion.

 

[Scott]

No matter how clean, there is still a microscopic world of nasties that are hard to tame. Having a good immune system is IMHO for us and our pets a strong defense.

Something I forgot to mention.... I am always sniffing my birds mouths as an early warning system. Even those who are difficult to handle get sniff checked every day!

 

[Tropical]

No matter how clean, there is still a microscopic world of nasties that are hard to tame. Having a good immune system is IMHO for us and our pets a strong defense.

Something I forgot to mention.... I am always sniffing my birds mouths as an early warning system. Even those who are difficult to handle get sniff checked every day!

I know there is still microscopic nasties everywhere regardless of how much I keep things clean.... I just find it frustrating and strange why he got it... I guess perhaps his immune system is weaker than others which is not good

I really wanted to see the other avian vet who claims she prefers holistic treatments as I try to avoid toxic pharma drugs... I just hope this Nystatin doesn't have any permanent damaging side effects on him as I've been reading some rather nasty stuff on it.

The crazy part is, I know I've said this many times now sorry for repeating myself... my bad..., but if Coconut had not adjusted his crop that night I would have NEVER even known anything might be wrong since his breath otherwise smells perfectly normal. This is what really has me uneasy... why doesn't he have bad breath (all the time) if he indeed has an infection...

 

[BIRDIGIRL]

Another thread I am learning lots from...thanks for posting Tropical...hopefully Rascal will remain well and also many many Get Well wishes sent to the lovely Coconut...Well Done Tropical for being so observant and bringing Coconut to the AV so promptly.

 

[Tropical]

Does anyone here know if nystatin can make a tiel sleep more? As Coconut was not nearly as vocal today as he usually is and he slept more than usual. He put himself in his cage and is now sleeping for the night... that is NOT what he ever usually does... usually he'd be singing his brains out and being hyper active begging me to not put him to bed.

I'm very uncomfortable with him taking this toxic drug... I wish I had holistic solution and that the freakin vet should have at least done a culture test on him! As she doesn't even know what he has exactly. If I still see him like this tomorrow I am want second opinion from that other "holistic" vet but I don't want to stress him out more... the vet visit was very stressful for him he slept for HOURS afterwards. The way he has been acting is making me worried... not about whatever it is he has or might nt even have... but about what this toxic drug is doing to him.

 

[plumsmum2005]

Probably the combination of infection (if there) and the meds could well do this. Just keep an eye on little 'nut and things should improve in a day or two.

 

[Tropical]

Probably the combination of infection (if there) and the meds could well do this. Just keep an eye on little 'nut and things should improve in a day or two.

Coconut is acting perfectly normal this morning and has been singing for the past 30 min straight

One thing I forgot to mention about this vet that does not sit right with me is... when I showed her below video of a tiel adjusting/cleaning his crop she told me there is NO SUCH THING and that it is a "behavioral problem". I immediately replied that does not seem correct at all... she repetitively insisted that it is a "behavioral problem".

Who else here things that is ABSURD??? Obviously, that is NOT a behavioral problem!!!! This vet is also not the vet I corresponded with via email last year... I got this vet confused with another vet. This is same vet I took Rascal to last year and I posted about my experience on talk cockatiel. I would have never used this vet if I had known it was same vet... she moved to new clinic.

Vet claims the below tiel who is adjusting his crop... is a behavioral problem... ridiculous!!

[ame="https://youtu.be/56uW6X8IzeE"]Cockatiel cleaning his crop - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Tropical]

Coconut just cleaned/adjusted his crop again and there is no longer that horrid pungent fishy smell! So I guess that means the nystatin must be working

 

[smbrds]

If it's a behavioral problem, then consider mine and quite a few other or most 'tiels to have problems. Glad the meds are working.

 

[Tropical]

If it's a behavioral problem, then consider mine and quite a few other or most 'tiels to have problems. Glad the meds are working.

It's definitely 100% not a behavioral problem. This vet is rather ridiculous. I had a "comical" experience with this vet over a year ago when she tried to convince me to not bother feeding my tiel sprouts because "sprouts barely have any nutrients" and that "sprouts are not a natural food for tiels" as she kept putting it. This is not only NOT true but incredibly ignorant... and now this same vet is trying to convince me that crop cleaning is a behavioral problem. I am sorry but I have no tolerance for such ignorance coming from someone in the medical field... much of it due to greed and profits and influences by powerful industries and MDs require no nutritional education (it is criminal when you consider most modern chronic diseases are caused by consuming disease causing foods not meant for human consumption)... they just know how to push toxic drugs. It is criminal they actually serve heart disease patients hamburgers in the hospital with fast food restaurants inside the hospital... the very thing that got them into the hospital in the first place. It is a very screwed up world.

I will be shoving this article into the vet's face on monday: Cockatiels Behavior, Normal Cockatiel Behavior, Why Do Cockaties slam toys,grind beaks, wag tails,shake head,raise and lower their crests, hang upside down,sleep on one foot.Interpreting a Cockatiel's Behavior, Explaining a Cockatiel's Behavior.Why d

Quote below from that article... funny that none of the below possibilities mention "behavioral problem" nor do any other sources on this topic.... gee I wonder why.

Why is my cockatiel yawning and stretching his neck? Bird sometimes stretch their necks and esophagus to clear out their crops. The crop holds food until it moves further down into the digestive tract. Birds may also stretch their necks when you are petting them. This may mean that your bird is trying to regurgitate on you. That's how mates feed each other and it's the ultimate compliment a bird can give to you. Excessive yawning and neck stretching can also be symptoms of a respiratory disorder. Watch your bird carefully for other symptoms of illness such as a change in droppings or voice tone, loss of appetite, excessive sleeping, wheezing, a nasal or eye discharge, red/pink nares. If your bird has any of these symptoms, please take him/her to an avian vet immediately. Click Here to Find an Avian Vet. Sometimes symptoms of a respiratory infection can only be detected upon examination by an avian vet. Birds have a tiny ridge like slit, (choanal slit) inside the top of their mouth. If the ridges do not look like sharp little peaks and there is a discharge coming from the slit, a respiratory infection will be suspected.

 

[Tropical]

Coconut just had his gram stain redone today and it was normal... his breath also no longer smells like a rotting dead fish so all is good now

I also had Rascal's checked and he had slightly higher level of yeast... so I'm giving them both apple cider vinegar (with the mother) mixed with water only for a day or so... then only about once or twice month thereafter.

The vet visit did not wear out Coconut at all this time... he is his usual hyperactive self... was also relaxed in the car and preening himself as I drove... he already thinks he's a world traveler or something