Birthday parrot FAILURE!

[StormyPica]

Lets agree to agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! Agree to agree!!!

 

[HeatherG]

I am looking for a handfed and tame scarlet macaw. I do not support extracting animals from the wild and forcing them into cages. That is cruelty. A domesticated parrot is what I am seeking.

It is completely illegal to capture birds from the wild and has been so since at least 1993 if not earlier. A bird you find in the US of common pet species should be much cheaper to obtain as a captive bred bird than smuggled, anyhow. I.e. the common species you are looking for are ALL domestic.

A new home is super scary for a smart and social animal like a conure or macaw. You need lots and lots of patience with any new bird in your home. I am sorry you did not have the support and preparation you needed to keep your little birthday conure. How sad for both of you.

Do you still have your conure? I would give him or her time and many treats and love to fit into your household.

 

[egg_’n_oliver]

Wait am I the only one eating popcorn, is very angry and is in deep disbelief that someone would do this to their GCC, just giving it up for a Scarlet Macaw? Nah? Just me? K..Well @swong66666, I need to tell you a little story about me and my bird.
When I first got Egg, she was SOO shy and rude, and wouldn’t even let me change her water. But instead of giving up and asking for a bigger bird that will be more cranky, will hurt more, and will be way harder to take care of, I persevered and gave her some time. After 3 weeks, she was already letting us give her scritches. One year after that, in the present, she laid an egg. P.S, I’m never ever EVER taking Egg back to her breeder. Also, I can not expect this behavior from an 18 year old.. I hope that everyone knows I’m not trying to be rude or anything in that ballpark, because I have no intentions to. All I hope is for the person who is reading this to take no offense, just some sense. Thank you for reading.

 

[StormyPica]

Wait am I the only one eating popcorn, is very angry and is in deep disbelief that someone would do this to their GCC? Nah? Just me? K

Nope, me too.

 

[egg_’n_oliver]

Nope, me too.

Honestly, my only question is just why. Why would they do this to their poor GCC? Based on the text, they haven’t even named it yet..Smh..

 

[HeatherG]

I have gotten some real handfuls when I’ve brought a bird into my home, but that’s to be expected. If you adopted a little kid they would be scared at first. Only a puppy will love you right away.

Willow has been here for a year and a half and all is not perfect but we are both learning how to get along and be pals. Today he is restless; I had a cold yesterday and he didn’t get bird time. But he’s now settled down, preening and fluffing away and hopefully will preen me soon to show he’s happy.

 

[Kentuckienne]

There are lots of ways to define words. For example, most people think of tomatoes as vegetables, even though they are fruits by definition. Domestication is more than being adapted to human life. Domestic horses that have lived for generations in the open are still considered “feral”, not ”wild” and not “undomesticated”, even though they don‘t do work for humans. There are true wild asses that CANNOT be tamed, even if they have been raised by humans from birth. Conversely, parrots bred in captivity are not domesticated, even though they may be very tame and cooperate with humans at times.

For that, you would have to take a brood of captive born parrots, raise them to maturity, then select the tamest and most agreeable ones for breeding. Then raise their chicks to maturity, select the tamest, and breed just those birds. In several generations you might have begun to have a strain of parrots with a different genetic makeup than their ancestors. It depends partly on how varied the gene pool is to start. Are there genes present that affect how gentle the particular bird is for that species? Or do you have to wait for a mutation? We don’t know.

In practice, this isn’t what happens. Sadly, the breeder birds might be LESS gentle and sociable than most. Maybe they were particularly rowdy and wild, and the humans weren’t able to tame them enough to be the companions they wanted. Maybe the birds were always attacking, biting, screaming … a bird like that will probably lose its home and not be adoptable, so it will wind up with a breeder.

And parrot breeders aren’t keeping the best, most docile birds for selective breeding. They usually sell every bird from a clutch as soon as it’s weaned, if not before. Parrots are expensive to care for. There‘s no big database of bird genetics, so no way to make sure siblings don’t breed or to ensure birds that produce offspring with genetic health conditions or personality problems don’t breed. No, it’s mostly all about looks.

This is completely different from the way, say, dogs were domesticated. Dogs were wolves. Humans killed them if they could, and wolves weren’t as able to return the favor once humans were living in stable societies. But there was always trash, garbage, uneaten food scraps around humans. And the wolves born with a tiny bit less fear of humans risked getting close enough to eat it. Maybe a human caught a wolf pup and raised it. The story is old. But eventually the human-wolf interface gave rise to dogs, who are ever so slightly different genetically. Enough that they make good companions, as a rule. There are always dogs too wild, vicious, stupid, or untrainable to be companion animals, but in the whole they are domesticated in a way parrots are not.

 

[clark_conure]

I disagree... based on the conversations with my attorney friend I say nothing other than that. I add no other details then previously offered. Other than parrots can be domesticated. i think that is allowed.

 

[HeatherG]

I disagree, based on my zoology and animal behavior coursework I would not describe parrots as domesticated. Several generations of captive breeding aren’t enough for domestication. Parrots still maintain their wild type characteristics. Parrots released into environments similar to their original habitats revert quite well to living without human involvement. Think of all the wild parrot flocks in the US, in cities across Europe, etc.

 

[saxguy64]

Perhaps the distinction is in the phrasing. Domestic bred vs. domesticated. Very different things.

 

[clark_conure]

/end thread on this topic because we should make a different thread on this, tomorrow, or some weekend. I'm ready to debate this but, we are in the middle of someone else's thread. I'm ready....but not here.

 

[BirdyBee]

Is it just me, but this thread is giving me bad vibes. We've all said what we had to say. It's time we stop. Or this'll turn into a fight.

 

[wrench13]

Sadly, these jewels of advice will fall on deaf ears, the OP has long since stop reading I think, because the consensus is not agreeing with the preconceived desired responses. I feel sorrow for any animal this person gets.

 

[Kentuckienne]

I disagree... based on the conversations with my attorney friend I say nothing other than that. I add no other details then previously offered. Other than parrots can be domesticated. i think that is allowed.

Uh oh…if you are a client of Yellow Nape Law, I’m not crossing swords with you! Give my best to Julio and tell him I never forgot our days at the old school yard.

 

[SailBoat]

When I first saw this Thread, I elected to not join it!
Although Yellow-Nape Law had not been directly contacted, I have been told they agree with the position provided!

 

[mochi.the.ysgcc]

Okay people. I got a green cheek conure as my super 18th birthday party gift and it wont tame enough quickly. It avoids being touched and petted and I AM VERY UPSET!!!

And where can I get a scarlet macaw a.s.a.p?

Please consider a different pet. Birds take so much time and effort. They have beaks for a reason-ALL BIRDS BITE! You’re very young and imo aren’t ready for bird husbandry as it’s just like having a toddler but with a beak. They’re loud, you NEED to feed them a proper diet of vegetables and fruits, sprouted seeds, pellets and more. They need a huge cage and AVIAN vet care-it’s a lot!!! No bird can be tamed the way you want it to be. Because you’re young you won’t be able to have the life you should. No vacations etc. Did you know the majority of birds go through 3-6 different homes because they didn’t do the research. PLEASE return that poor conure to where’ve your mom got it. I have four GCC and it takes time for them to trust someone. You can show no fear or anger as it’ll just scare the poor thing even more. I’m not trying to be rude, it’s just so important to know the facts when it comes to owning birds. Anywhere from a parakeet to a macaw-you can’t just tame them and expect not to get bitten…badly. And they’re probably one of the most expensive pets to care for if done properly. Check out what he can and cannot eat-like no avocados, onions, chocolate and lots more. They need to bathe, never use Teflon (pans esp), scented plugins, candles , cleaning supplies or any other chemicals that are deadly to birds. You can only use vinegar and baking soda when cleaning as you can’t use bleach or those sprays. Just be smart and think of this birds life as they can live up to 25 YEARS OLD. Large birds live up to 80-100 YEARS OLD!! Yet another issue you’ll need to be prepared for. I hope he has a large enough cage with the proper perch and toy setup. No hidey huts too…Good luck to you both. I pray you’ll find this bird a good forever home

 

[StormyPica]

Please consider a different pet. Birds take so much time and effort. They have beaks for a reason-ALL BIRDS BITE! You’re very young and imo aren’t ready for bird husbandry as it’s just like having a toddler but with a beak. They’re loud, you NEED to feed them a proper diet of vegetables and fruits, sprouted seeds, pellets and more. They need a huge cage and AVIAN vet care-it’s a lot!!! No bird can be tamed the way you want it to be. Because you’re young you won’t be able to have the life you should. No vacations etc. Did you know the majority of birds go through 3-6 different homes because they didn’t do the research. PLEASE return that poor conure to where’ve your mom got it. I have four GCC and it takes time for them to trust someone. You can show no fear or anger as it’ll just scare the poor thing even more. I’m not trying to be rude, it’s just so important to know the facts when it comes to owning birds. Anywhere from a parakeet to a macaw-you can’t just tame them and expect not to get bitten…badly. And they’re probably one of the most expensive pets to care for if done properly. Check out what he can and cannot eat-like no avocados, onions, chocolate and lots more. They need to bathe, never use Teflon (pans esp), scented plugins, candles , cleaning supplies or any other chemicals that are deadly to birds. You can only use vinegar and baking soda when cleaning as you can’t use bleach or those sprays. Just be smart and think of this birds life as they can live up to 25 YEARS OLD. Large birds live up to 80-100 YEARS OLD!! Yet another issue you’ll need to be prepared for. I hope he has a large enough cage with the proper perch and toy setup. No hidey huts too…Good luck to you both. I pray you’ll find this bird a good forever home

I can assure you, they won't treat it well. They stopped watching this thread awhile ago.

 

[mochi.the.ysgcc]

I can assure you, they won't treat it well. They stopped watching this thread awhile ago.

This is giving me anxiety

 

[LaManuka]

Dear members, this thread is obviously and understandably stirring up a lot of strong emotion for many of us, and while the OP may or may not still be watching this particular thread, they are still active on the forum. May I please remind everyone to keep their responses civil in accordance with our guidelines - the Mod team has already had to do some deleting in this thread and we do not want to have to do any more. Thank you all

 

[StormyPica]

This is giving me anxiety

Same