Colour genetics

[Norfolk Si]

I have a young Creamino Quaker.
The parents are:
Cock bird.... Turquoise split for opaline and albino
Hen bird.... Blue opaline
Because the father carries the albino gene, all offspring that are albinos, would be hens/female.
Because this is a creamino, am I correct in saying that this youngster is also female??
And thinking ahead, what would be a good colour to pair to her? (or him if I'm wrong)
She's currently moulting out and the new feathers are coming through the darker yellow.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Yes, it's a female.
What color babies are you looking to produce?

 

[Norfolk Si]

Yes, it's a female.
What color babies are you looking to produce?

Thank you for the reply.
Nothing specific, just wanting to look at different options and then their results from certain colour pairings.

 

[clark_conure]

I think the ideal is the white with a touch of blue.....but I'm biased. Since this is my sweetheart.

 

[Norfolk Si]

I think the ideal is the white with a touch of blue.....but I'm biased. Since this is my sweetheart.

What a beautiful Quaker
If I put a blue male with her, would they produce blues, as you have to have blue carried by both parents?

 

[clark_conure]

I HAVE NO IDEA. I bought her because was love at first sight.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Blue/white is recessive so both parents have to carry the blue gene to get any blue/white babies. That's for dark eyed white birds. A green male can carry blue hidden so some green blue mating produce both green and blue babies. If a green male is not carrying a blue gene all babies will be green regardless of what the mother looks like.

Albino/lutino ("ino") is sex-linked recessive, and the birds are either white or yellow depending on whether they are blue or green. Females that are albino or lutino can't carry the gene hidden- if they have one "ino" gene they will look "ino". Males have to have 2 "ino" genes to look "ino" but the can carry it. "Ino" males are pretty unusual, at least with budgies. They say that 'ino" males are not good for breeding and trying to develop a pure "ino" line of birds results in weak unhealthy offspring.

 

[nkrbkr]

Blue/white is recessive so both parents have to carry the blue gene to get any blue/white babies. That's for dark eyed white birds. A green male can carry blue hidden so some green blue mating produce both green and blue babies. If a green male is not carrying a blue gene all babies will be green regardless of what the mother looks like.

Albino/lutino ("ino") is sex-linked recessive, and the birds are either white or yellow depending on whether they are blue or green. Females that are albino or lutino can't carry the gene hidden- if they have one "ino" gene they will look "ino". Males have to have 2 "ino" genes to look "ino" but the can carry it. "Ino" males are pretty unusual, at least with budgies. They say that 'ino" males are not good for breeding and trying to develop a pure "ino" line of birds results in weak unhealthy offspring.

This is interesting. I really have a hard time wrapping my mind around all the mutations. Button is an ino.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

Genetics can be a lot of fun but some of the mutations and combinations of mutations can be very confusing, especially because female birds are XY and males are XX- opposite of humans and other mammals.

 

[Norfolk Si]

Blue/white is recessive so both parents have to carry the blue gene to get any blue/white babies. That's for dark eyed white birds. A green male can carry blue hidden so some green blue mating produce both green and blue babies. If a green male is not carrying a blue gene all babies will be green regardless of what the mother looks like.

Albino/lutino ("ino") is sex-linked recessive, and the birds are either white or yellow depending on whether they are blue or green. Females that are albino or lutino can't carry the gene hidden- if they have one "ino" gene they will look "ino". Males have to have 2 "ino" genes to look "ino" but the can carry it. "Ino" males are pretty unusual, at least with budgies. They say that 'ino" males are not good for breeding and trying to develop a pure "ino" line of birds results in weak unhealthy offspring.

So because my Creamino is female, we know that she can't be split for anything.
So if I was to pair her with a blue, she would produce?
What if I was to pair her with a lutino? Or is the lutino gene different, because she came via a pair of blues??
Can you just explain this bit:
I had to pair of blues who produced a yellow/creamino, but am I correct in saying that any yellow/creamino female offspring won't carry the blue gene???
The Creamino or Lutino gene is a new thing for me and I just need to get my head around it

 

[DonnaBudgie]

She can't be split for ino.
She also can't be split for cinnamon, also a sex linked recessive, because she IS cinnamon. She inherited cinnamon from her father.
Cinnamon causes the pigments to lighten.
Opaline is also sex linked so she's opaline too.
Shes split for blue. She's turquoise with a turquoise gene from dad and a blue gene from Mom.

Cinnamon and ino in a turquoise quaker would make a bird that looked like yours.
Shes actually a turquose bird with cinnamon, ino and opaline genes on her only X chromosome which is hiding The blue and turquoise genes. She doesn't carry any green genes.

If you paired her with a blue male the babies would be blue or turquoise. If the male carried ino , her babies would be turquoise or blue males, ino males, ino females and turqoiuse or blue females.

If you mated her with a lutino male her babies would depend on whether the male was split for anything. Lutinos can be split for blue or turquoise but they have at least one green gene.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

It's possible that creamino is really just a turquoise ino bird not cinnamon-ino-turquoise or blue. The genetics of creamino and turquoise are not well understood in quakers.
In budgies, creamino is a yellow faced or golden faced blue ino.
In ringnecks, creamino is a turquoise or pallid ino.
In cockatiels creamino is a creamface ino.

 

[Norfolk Si]

So a blue male/cock bird would be a good option and if he's split for opaline and or anything else, it would be a bonus.
The only other option would be to get a cock bird with a dominant gene and produce splits.

Thank you for your help. I've really struggled to get much information on Creamino's, as it's not really a recognised proven when bred from, colour.

 

[DonnaBudgie]

I think so, too. If you paired her with a lutino or a green bird you will kinda lose control over what's produced unless you know the exact parentage of the green male.
If you get a green male and he's not split to blue or ino you will end up with a lot of green babies.

 

[Norfolk Si]

I'm off to a aviary bird sale in 7 days time, so I will see what I can find

 

[DonnaBudgie]

I wouldn't breed her with a lutino male or an albino male. The pairing doesn't make strong healthy babies.