New sun conure owner! Looking for advice

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Hello! I recently got a sweet baby sun conure, but I have a few questions! Theres not much about pre-pubescent conures, which is where im struggling. My boy is 3 months old.

The biggest and most important problem I have is he just doesnt want to eat. Ive tried a few foods, he did have some fruit, but other than that has no interest in the food he has. In the morning its a mash, and then pellets in the afternoon. Should I just keep trying other foods or just hope he realizes he needs to eat?

Second thing, This is my first bird, he was hand raised and he is extremely sweet. he took to us immediately. However, it seems like he only wants to be on me. He will always go for my shoulder, he refuses to stay on any perches or surfaces even if hes right up against me. He would much rather be on my shoulder. Should I be allowing this? Im nervous he wont be easy to get off me when he needs to sleep etc. Dont get me wrong, I love it, Im just nervous this may cause issues later. he does scream when I put him back in his cage, but I dont entertain it. He doesnt scream for long, just a few minutes and then stops. (thankfully lol!)

Lastly, When i talk to him he squints. I dont know why..Also, he wont step up unless its to get to my mouth. whats the weird obsession with my mouth? he usually goes for it when I talk to him just to put his beak on it..I dont really understand why he does that. He also seems to get spooked/not want to be touched by my hands one second and then crawl into them to be pet the second. Is this normal?

Any help appreciated! Im always worried about messing up, I want to be sure I raise him in a way that causes little to no issue in the future. Plus, being a new bird parent I dont really know the "language" of birds just yet. And of course, any advice on raising a baby conure Is so appreciated! Thank you for your time, im happy to be here! :orange:
 
Is he definitely weaned?
You should try to weigh him daily as he is so young---get a gram scale with a perch on it and track his weight (maybe every other day).
Birds often do bond to one person but a baby is going to change A TON between now and puberty---they often actually do a little push-back against their childhood favorite.
He is probably associating your mouth with regurgitation which is how mother birds feed their babies-- don't encourage it, as it will become sexual once he is a teen. Also, human spit is hazardous to them, so he shouldn't be allowed to touch your lips etc (even though many people allow their birds to do this, it is dangerous for their health potentially).

The following thread contains a TON of information on new parront-hood--- scroll down on page 1 to my 2 long posts (they are huge and near the bottom). http://www.parrotforums.com/questions-answers/83478-my-new-king-parrot-scares-me.html
That is all the advice I would want any new bird-owner to have. It is so long that I didn't want to copy and paste, but follow the link and scroll down-- hope that helps a bit with things you may not already know.
 
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I was told he was, and I even waited a bit longer to go get him. Hes still doing the head bob and wing flapping (not sure when that stops) but he wont even take food from my hands regardless. He might taste it and then just drop it.

I will also grab a scale! What should I be looking for with weight?

Noted! Thank you so much. I just read that post! i truly appreciate it :)
 
He sounds like he isn't fully weaned (and sometimes they do regress following a large transition like a move to a new home).
I am not an expert on conures, let alone conure babies, but there are some threads on here that I will see if I can find.
In the meantime, hoping someone else chimes in!
Here is a start to "unweaned" babies--- Again, yours does NOT sound fully weaned, but I could be wrong. If he isn't eating and losing weight etc, then it is likely that he isn't (barring another medical issue)
I am not sure how much this helps (just skimmed it) but hoping it is a starting point for you.
http://www.parrotforums.com/breeding-raising-parrots/74363-so-you-bought-unweaned-baby.html
Again, I am hoping other member chime-in, as I am not a conure expert.
If you do start hand-feeding, you will need to make sure everything is sterile and exactly the right temperature-- you will also need parrot formula (not some weird cereal you buy at walmart, but legitimate parrot formula).
 
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Just read it, thank you so so much for your input on all this. that makes me super nervous. I certainly wasnt prepared for that! I dont know anything about hand feeding a baby, I will start looking into this.
 
Like I said, not an expert on baby conures, but the not-eating-thing, coupled with such a young age makes me think that you may be dealing with something like an un-weaned baby....or, not fully weaned baby (there is a difference).
What was he eating when he came to you? **sometimes, if you change what they are used to, they won't eat**
More than one source says it can take 14 weeks for conures to wean (in some cases-possibly longer). 12 is probably average, but again, your bird isn't eating and it is on that cusp...plus, the regression thing..I will try to keep bumping this thread.
 
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They said it was mazuri pellets, and a mash of carrots, broccoli, corn and assorted veggies. They gave me some to take home, so I have been giving him the same thing hes used to. They also did say he wasnt eating very well when he was with them. He came from a breeder, and I called them the other day since I was concerned about him not eating, but they said it was okay that he wasnt, but im getting anxious about it. He knows where the food and water is, I set it up exactly how they told me to so he would know where it is, and theres perches in front of all the bowls which he sits on, so I feel like he should know its there, but just doesnt want it.
 
They said it was mazuri pellets, and a mash of carrots, broccoli, corn and assorted veggies. They also did say he wasnt eating very well when he was with them. He came from a breeder, and I called them the other day since I was concerned about him not eating, but they said it was okay that he wasnt, but im getting anxious about it. He knows where the food and water is, I set it up exactly how they told me to so he would know where it is, and theres perches in front of all the bowls which he sits on, so I feel like he should know its there, but just doesnt want it.


Has he been to the vet? An avian certified vet (if at ALL possible--not just a dvm who sees exotics)...It is very concerning to me that he isn't eating and as a baby, that is not normal...The fact that they said he wasn't doing it there makes me more concerned. Not trying to scare you, but babies need to eat (as you know). Now-- an un-weaned baby, often won't eat solid foods, which is why I am also wondering about that issue...BUT AGAIN, never had a baby conure.
 
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Im not sure actually, I only just got him the other day and didnt ask them if he had seen a vet prior. But I have the contacts of 3 vets that I found from the association of avian vets website, but not sure how to know if they are certified avian vets.

No worry- id rather be scared now than if it was too late. Im glad I posted.
 
Here is something Laurasea posted on another thread where someone got an unweaned baby by mistake:


2. Introducing Adult Food to the Baby
Many of the items you supply for the baby to play with during the weaning process should be food. These items should include not only the food you expect to be feeding after weaning, but also foods with all types of colors, shapes, textures and flavors. These items should include fruits, vegetables, and any healthy foods you may be eating. More types of food items will offer more chances he will like one right away.

Initially, the food should be in pieces no larger than a pea.. This size easily fits into the baby's mouth

Babies will readily eat off the ground before they will eat out of a dish. Try scattering the food on a sheet of paper in the bottom of his cage. Many hand feeders begin to withhold feedings with the belief that the hungry baby will eat on his own if the formula is withheld. This is a dangerous misconception and may cause long-term physical and mental disabilities. Babies well-nourished with formula are more curious and will look forward to trying almost all new food.
You will find that when babies start learning to eat solid food they will often go to the bowl and start eating right after you feed the formula Keeping the baby well fed will promote independence and shorten his weaning process.

3. Drinking: Don't Forget the Water
Mostly the baby will play with the water and wet his tongue but his body will not be telling him to drink because he is thirsty.
If you are not sure or if you think there is a problem, you can dribble a few drops of water into the mouth from the ends of your fingers. Do this while holding the bowl in front of your bird's mouth and he will quickly learn to drink.

4. Weaning Dynamics - Schedule

. Every baby parrot is as different. During this intensive growth period, a seemingly meaningless stimulus to us, can cause a "life alternating experience", resulting in a change in frequency of the baby's need to be fed and/or nurtured.

If of hunger and could slowly loose weight and become sick before he starts eating enough on his own.

Babies will often cry for food when hungry. As discussed earlier, they also need nurturing support that can come in the form of periodic feeding of a small amount of formula. In addition to supplemental handfeeding, you will also need to give the baby personal time and attention. Talking to, playing with, carrying around and other social activities are also needed to supply the trust necessary to develop high self-esteem. By only using formula to stop all the babies cry for attention, you can do long-term damage to the development of the adult bird. Lack of tactile and verbal pampering can produce a screaming adult that is uncertain how to gain attention without acting out.

5. General Concept of a Weaning Schedule
This is only a generalization to show what is possible, not what will actually happen. Remember all babies are different and none will actually follow this schedule. This is a dynamic process so there really is no such thing as day one, day two, etcetera. The process will start, stop and change over a several week period.

Phase 1. Skip the morning or mid-day feeding. Generally, the first feeding a baby will begin ignoring is the morning. He is so excited to get out of the cage and conquer the world, that he will show no interest in formula or solid food

Never skip the last feeding of the day. Healthy active babies will expend a lot of energy and be exhausted and very hungry in the evening. Night is also a period when the baby cannot eat on his own so we want him to have a full crop of formula.

Phase 2. Try to feed all three feedings so the baby will regain any strength lost from missing a feeding the day before.

Phase 3. Repeat phase one and two for a while. At this point you will be watching the feces for any changes in color and texture. Feces from the formula will be very consistent while solid food will cause variance in color and texture. You can sometimes detect food in the crop by feeling for food particles.

Phase 4. During this phase the baby will start to skip the mid-day feeding. You can also begin reducing the amount of formula for the morning and mid-day feedings. Alternate between skipping feedings and the amount fed at each feeding. As an observant parent, you will be watching to see if your baby has an off day that may require him to need more formula, feedings and/or nurturing.

Phase 5. Begin assessing the weight loss or gain and the stools to determine if he is beginning to consume more on his own

Extreme situations develop periodically that make it more difficult to determine if your baby is eating. A babyt may be able to get enough energy from one large feeding in the evening with just a small amount of solid food.

Important: A good rule of thumb is, if a baby looks healthy, is active, eats, and poops, then he is most likely doing just fine. .

Phase 6. The evening feeding is the last to go. Some very independent babies will wean very early while others can take months. I generally begin skipping the evening feeding on the days when I am not home or too tired. If you feel you have skipped the evening feeding and should not have, try offering formula early in the morning. If the baby is very hungry, he still needs the evening feeding.

As you begin skipping the evening feeding on a regular basis, use the morning feeding test to ensure he is eating enough. In the morning, do not feed right away, giving the baby time to eat on his own.

Phase 7. If your baby is not eating enough food on his own yet, you can repeat any of the phases as necessary. The baby will tell you if you are feeding too much by refusing the formula.

Important: For at least one month after weaning, inexperienced hand feeders should weigh the baby. Sometimes an active or sick baby will not eating enough and you will need to add a few night feedings. In this situation, you are not considering total weight loss or gain but looking for quick changes. This is a time of many new experiences in your baby's life. . An unexpected illness can cause the same problem and this will also show up as a more abrupt weight loss.

Important: Any time a young weaned parrot changes homes, it should be offered formula for a few days. Even a baby that is completely independent with high self-esteem will benefit from the nurturing component of handfeeding.

6. Weaning Tips
It is important to note that a bird that remains hungry for too many days will lose its appetite. You CAN NOT starve a bird into weaning, so do not try. Only a happy, healthy baby will wean on a reasonable schedule.
Play time and feeding time should not be associated with each other.
Every baby weans on his own schedule. Do not push - growth curves and schedules are only averages.
Babies that cannot fly because their flight feathers have been cut will lose 10 - 20% of their peak body weight. Properly developing babies that are learning to fly while weaning will lose 20 - 30% because of the greater amount of exercise. Babies with clipped wings will also take longer to become independent because they are not able to explore their environment and learn much slower than nature intended. Wing clipping is detrimental to creating an independent adult with high self-esteem because of the increased incidence of "bad stress experiences" due to lots of crash landings.

If you are not sure if the baby is getting enough nutrition, always error on the side of increasing the feeding frequency.
Don't forget the "nurturing" nature of the parent periodically offering food to the baby. As a treat, at any arbitrary time during and after weaning, the baby will usually accept a syringe of formula. All parrots should be periodically handfed throughout their life. This is an excellent treat for an adult and will aid in medicating if he should ever need to be medicated.
Watching the bird's stools is the best way to determine if he is eating. There will be different numbers, colors and consistency.
"Weaning Regression" is a prevalent problem in babies that were not properly nurtured from hatching to weaning. Birds that cannot fly are especially prone to be insecure and develop weaning regression.
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Thank you so much!!! Ill start this now, and hopefully he will eat something. Unfortunately he was also clipped by the breeder as well. So Im not sure how set up for success we are right now.
 
I don't know a ton about this--just that what you are describing concerns me. I hope you figure it out! A vet is going to be a very important element in all of this!
 
Thank you so much! I will update. Ill call the vet once they open, hopefully one will take me for tomorrow!
 
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UPDATE :

he's going to the vet late today, but I've given him a small amount of formula since he still hasn't eaten and its now 3 days. He absolutely inhaled it. But he's making quite a lot of noises and is very very active. I hope that's a good sign. I'll update again after the vet. Thank you all so much!
 
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He went to the vet, all is good! They said keep doing what I'm doing with feeding formula. They said he will be just fine!
 
I hope it isnt your last update! Lots if people are reading your thread , a d learning from you as you go along. Plus we like pictures and sharing your journey with you. And you never know what topics you will pick up good tips from, or share tips with others!
 
Oh I definitely plan to stay on the forum! Invaluable resource that's for sure.

So far he's like a totally new bird. 2 feedings in and he's a ball of energy. He took to my partner quickly too and is willing to step up now. He's acting like how birds act and not just constantly sleeping. He wants to explore and play. Pretty much an immediate improvement!! Very thankful for the vet who taught me how to feed him without making a total mess too.

Walgreens Also gives out free oral syringes. Just in case anyone needed one lol!
 
So good to hear he’s doing better! I have suns - but mine all came to me as adults, so I can’t help much with babies :).
 

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