To keep Flighted or not?

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Casper is nearly fully flighted (to my understanding of what 'Flighted' means). It appears most of his feathers are fully grown, and he is only missing one on each side. He can fly and stay up in the air, and go higher and lower.

Now is the question of should I keep him like this?

I hate the idea of clipping a birds feathers, but I'm not sure if it would be better for us or not. I believe he has started to trust me more and more but I have still only rescued him about 2 months ago, and he is still biting every so often. He is also not allowed on my shoulder as he bites my ears and neck pretty hard.

I think if I clip him once it may give us time for him to trust me completely, but I don't wanna lose the ground we've made so far by clipping him. Anyone have any insight into this?
 
We keep our birds clipped enough to avoid losing them to someone leaving a door open. Also to keep them less "sassy" if that makes sense. Our conures in particular are more prone to attitude if they are more flighted.
 
All of my birds are flighted we tried clipping them but my grey was so nasty and holds grudges for months after getting clipped so we decided not to do it anymore. We also stopped clipping the conure and I don't believe we will have the Macaw clipped either but I haven't decided yet on her. Im not against it I think that sometimes its best depending on the situation.

Its really a personal decision. I have a very open house with a loft upstairs and we only use the garage door so they have no opportunities to get out.
 
I keep my Galah flighted, it is so much healthier for her and the pros out way the cons to me. You can train a flighted bird to fly back to you. A clipped bird, if carried away by the wind, will be a sitting duck outside and completely vulnerable to predators.

Plus you can take photos like this with a flighted bird :D

 
It's really based on your circumstances.

If doors and windows are likely to be left open (there are kids around), then clipping is a damn good idea; if you are militant about knowing where the bird is and what doors are open, it's not required. I keep mine flighted, but if I had kids, I'm not sure.

If you're worried about the clipping causing animosity, could you get a vet, or someone with experience to clip him for you? You'd then be the shoulder to cry on, rather than the 'evil one'.
 
He's in my room. The problem arising is he's no longer on his cage at all, and I'm confined to my room because I can't have him flying all around my room or following me at all times throughout the house. This is the issue at hand :/
 
If you are worried about him holding a grudge with you if you clip his wings, have the vet do it. Our birds don't mind at all and actually they seem much calmer when they are clipped. I worry about them getting accidentally let out by someone. It is a personal decision, but remember that you can always clip and then let them grow out if you find that you change your mind.
 
I forgot to mention that my daughter's English Budgie seems much calmer after his wings have been clipped and he happily rides around on her shoulder chirping and eating millet--never even attempts to fly away. When his wings grow out he starts to get fidgety and seems more nervous to be with her. This pattern has repeated several times and I can safely say that he is happier with his wings clipped.
 
Now there goes a can of worms....to fly or to clip.....:eek:

Everyone tends to be quite opinionated when it comes to this subject, and sadly many try and push their views. ;)

This is MY opinion on the matter:
Do what you feel is RIGHT for YOUR circumstances. End of story. :D
 
Conures are more of a Velcro bird. My crimson Belly will go after every other bird in the room. I don't completely clip him, just enough so he has to think about whether he can make it to his target spot or not. I think that to say that a bird is unclipped versus clipped can have many connotations. In reality, unclipped cannot have the same meaning as a bird flying in the skies unfettered. It just becomes a matter of what people are comfortable with. Most of mine get trimmed at some point if they become unruly. I have read that people will let their birds outside on playstands and in trees without harnesses because they think clipped birds can't fly. It will be too late when they find out they are quite capable of flying up, not down, even when clipped. You need to be the judge of what works for you.
 
Do what feels right ,but keep in mind that clipping might cause a sense of false security, a lot of clipped parrots still manage to escape.

When I got my male red-bellied parrot, he was clipped. As his flights grew in, so did his confidence and he was less neurotic. I do believe he benefited from it.
 
You should consider touch training with a clicker. Once he understands what a clicker means you can also teach him to fly to a specific spot as asked. Rosie loves her perch and cage, and is very unsure of actually taking off but once she is flying she knows where to go. I can be at the bottom of the stairs and say "wanna go to your cage?" And from my hand she will fly up the stairs, around a corner, and land on her cage.
 
To clip or not to clip, the age old question that's been asked thousands of times. It is really up to you to decide!

The word "Rescue" was being used, may I ask how was the bird's situation when you "rescued" the bird. Or was he adopted or bought?
 
In the bird community the scales are shifting from clipping every bird to only clip when needed or not at all... A lot of companion birds these days are left fully flighted...

All my birds are flighted... That's the thing I enjoy most about birds - watching them fly...

My birds normally follow me around, when they're out, but if I need to open the door for whatever reason, I hold up my hand "stop!", and that works for me... Of course the door doesn't stay open, and I'm careful closing and opening it...

If I had kids in and out of the house all day, I wouldn't have as many birds as I do :D and they would be clipped.

One poster said his/her birds were happier being clipped... Maybe they never knew anything else? Possibly the freedom of movement could be very scary for someone, who was never allowed it...?
 
It depends on you. Some houses are not suitable for parrot that can fly.

Although I believe it's best to keep parrot flighted, I still clip my birds. The reason for that is because my house have lots of windows and glass doors, and my kitchen is right beside my living room, where Ozzie's (my alexandrine parakeet) cage is. And I also have a cavalier King Charles spaniel, he won't hurt my parrots, but I feel better to clip my birds. And Kiwi and Tweety my cockatiels are outside, so I clip them in case they manages to open the cage door.
 
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Yes, I am one of those people who thinks you should never clip. At risk of alienating the entire board, I have to ask, if your home is not suited for a flighted animal, why get one? People don't try and keep horses in backyards or German shepherds in small apartments.

I see posts all the time about people modifying the animal before modifying the environment. Clip because the bird could fly into the oven? You could not have the bird out while you cook. Clip because there's windows? Get blinds, screen covers, teach your birds about windows, have UV glass, curtains...there's a lot of alternatives. Clipping because of ceiling fans? Don't turn on the ceiling fan, get a bladeless fan if you really have to have one on with a bird out.

I also get riled when I hear people clip for behavioral reasons. I don't kneecap a dog for running around, I train it. Clip a bird because the person doesn't want it flying to them? Really? They're blessed with a creature that wants to be with them so they cripple them because they find it annoying.

Which brings me to my second question - if people don't want an animal that can fly, why get a bird? We tell perspective owners that from time to time that birds will scream, they will bite, they will chew and destroy things, learn to be ok with it. But if they fly, hey that's ok, that can be solved with scissors?
 
Its really a personal decision - every situation is different. While I do think birds should be allowed to fly in a perfect world, it isn't always a safe option. Some houses are safer than others - our house certainly isn't safe for a flying bird (cats, dogs, ceiling fans, woodstove, etc) but Peeko is fully flighted, simply because he never leaves my bedroom. The door and windows in my room are always kept closed. But if Peeko were to have access to the rest of the house, being flighted would definitely not be safe, at all. We did speak to the breeder about our house's potential dangers beforehand, and our plans for Peeko, etc and she said that we were fully prepared and she wholeheartedly approves of our plans to care for him. She even said she was completely thrilled that we got Peeko "as opposed to a less responsible and loving family". So even if your house isn't parrot-safe, changes can still be made to make the environment work.
If you haven't already, I would walk around your house and examine every nook and cranny for something that could harm your bird, and make your decision from there.
 
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Yes, I am one of those people who thinks you should never clip. At risk of alienating the entire board, I have to ask, if your home is not suited for a flighted animal, why get one? People don't try and keep horses in backyards or German shepherds in small apartments.

I see posts all the time about people modifying the animal before modifying the environment. Clip because the bird could fly into the oven? You could not have the bird out while you cook. Clip because there's windows? Get blinds, screen covers, teach your birds about windows, have UV glass, curtains...there's a lot of alternatives. Clipping because of ceiling fans? Don't turn on the ceiling fan, get a bladeless fan if you really have to have one on with a bird out.

I also get riled when I hear people clip for behavioral reasons. I don't kneecap a dog for running around, I train it. Clip a bird because the person doesn't want it flying to them? Really? They're blessed with a creature that wants to be with them so they cripple them because they find it annoying.

Which brings me to my second question - if people don't want an animal that can fly, why get a bird? We tell perspective owners that from time to time that birds will scream, they will bite, they will chew and destroy things, learn to be ok with it. But if they fly, hey that's ok, that can be solved with scissors?

I'm curious about your point, because though I completely understand and respect it, I do find it a bit asymmetrical. My parrot was clipped when I brought her home, but she is currently growing her feathers out and will be fully flighted. I am a huge fan of leaving parrots flighted and wing clipping makes me cringe. However, I can also completely understand and visualize situations in which a bird must be clipped or risk losing its family and home. I have a Senegal who is not a huge fan of my fiance, we plan on having children one day. If she becomes protective of me and aggressive towards my children, in that situation I would have her wings clipped, if only until my kids were older and understood. She is going to be my life companion, and we can work anything out, but if comes down to a few years clipped or re homing her, I would clip her wings in a heartbeat...though it would make me very sad to do so.

I do understand your concept of "why have a flighted pet then?" however, I also see the flip side. Life can throw curve balls at you, and I may be selfish, but I am not going to deny myself such a unique and wonderful friend over a few feathers. I see another compromise there, she has a swanky house, with swanky toys, and swanky fresh made food. She has 24/7 staff on call, and honestly she seems pretty content to me. If she wants to go anywhere else in the house all she has to do is let us know (she has a signal that we know) and she can catch a ride or she climbs off her cage and walks her little birdy butt there. I see an animal who does not know she is missing anything, what-so-ever.

I believe in some situations clipping can be a beneficiary evil in order to keep the pets and friends we adore. Though I an not a fan, I do not believe that wing clipping is an ultimate and eternal evil. After all, if things work out, the feathers always grow back and in a few months a bird can return to being fully flighted.

It should be mentioned that when I was a kid I raised flocks of ducks and geese in my suburban back yard, kept my horse down the street in my neighbors yard, and that I also currently live in a small apartment with Plot-hound dog, a parrot, a pug, and a fiance. Therefore my opinion may reflect my redneck upbringing and lifestyle.
 
May I ask, what would you do if your dog became aggressive towards your future child?
 
May I ask, what would you do if your dog became aggressive towards your future child?

Of course you may, I will respond to this question via private message as to keep this thread on topic. So sorry OP for the diversion.
 

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