COVID-19 Virus

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Aww
I spent the day in my yard, filled with flowers, trees blooming, yellow butterflies fluting around. Thank you, I do enjoy and celebrate the little things every day!
 
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NBA apparently has suspended the rest of the season after a player has tested positive. As have Tom Hanks and his wife. Trump calling for the suspension of all travel from Europe for 30 days.
 
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Governor of Washington has banned public events where more than 250 would gather in 3 counties for at least the rest of the month. Tons of schools are shutting down. This virus won’t just kill people-I’m not sure how some businesses will survive.


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Tbh, I find this situation a bit frustrating. Singapore got ahead and has been managing the situation quite well.

- There is transparency between the government and the people - we get daily (if not twice daily) updates on the latest situation via the most common form of communication (WhatsApp).
- Entire hospitalisation for COVID-19 is covered by the government; if you have COVID-19 symptoms, you can visit a clinic for only 10 SGD (~7 USD).
- We blocked travellers from China (excepting our residents, who were quarantined) immediately, and then subsequently other countries.
- We have aggressive contact tracing, and many are on stay-at-home orders. If that is broken, the government did rescind someone's permanent residency and banned him from ever returning to Singapore.
- If you are on stay-at-home or are quarantined in a facility, you are compensated 100 SGD per day.

Now because other countries didn't get their act together, majority of our new causes are imported from those other countries. We're having cases pop up from European countries, and no doubt, I expect the US to export a few to us as well.

The government warned us to expect a rise in cases and said that soon there will be no point to banning specific countries because most countries will have it. And being who we are, so integrated and dependent on the global economy, we cannot ban the entire world from entering Singapore.

It's infuriating that we had a handle on the situation, but other countries can't get their act together and cause trouble for the rest of us. It's like a group project gone wrong - one group member did the work, and the other group members just blew it.


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We're about*half the size of Los Angeles*(city, not county), with a population density of*8,136.78/sqkm.

In contrast,*LA is the most densely populated city in the US at only 2,910/sqkm*- nowhere near the density of Singapore.

We cannot afford our 'group members' (other countries) to jeopardise us.
 
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Seriously, why are Western countries acting as if they don't have the technology to manage this?

More than 7,000 Stay-Home Notices issued for COVID-19; checks done through GPS, photos: ICA

The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) has issued more than 7,000 Stay-Home Notices (SHN) as of 8am on Monday (Mar 9), with individuals required to prove their whereabouts through photos or via their phone GPS location function.

"Text messages are sent at various times a day to persons issued with the SHN," the authority told CNA on Wednesday evening.

"They are then required to update ICA of their location within an hour, through their phone’s GPS location service via a unique web link provided in the text message."

Officers will also make random phone calls and house visits, including to those who do not respond to the text messages or phone calls, ICA said.

Those who get the phone call must take photos of their surroundings to verify their whereabouts, it added.

It didn't take the government long at all to come with an app for this.
 
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To be fair, Singapore was always going to be the “gold standard” in its response to something like this, given the strong social cohesion instilled into its citizens by 30 years of stewardship by Lee Kuan Yew. The response from the USA, given its current administration, was always going to be somewhat messy. Even messier is Italy, how many presidents have they had in the last 10-15 years or so? No wonder they’ve had to lock the whole country down!

I think it was a WHO spokesman who said coronavirus is in the “sweet spot” for viruses in that it’s deadlier than SARS but not as scary as Ebola. Good for the virus, not so good for us! Certainly if it was as scary as Ebola we’d all be in pretty big trouble. There is currently a lot of concern in Australia for our remote indigenous communities because unfortunately many residents out there suffer from some quite serious pre-existing medical conditions already. There has been some speculation that entire communities may need to be evacuated for the duration if the disease made its way out there. I’m crossing my fingers, eyes and toes hoping that it doesn’t!

Meanwhile Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, as far as I know, are ensconced at the Gold Coast University hospital. The first coronavirus cases in Queensland were all successfully treated there and have made a full recovery so I think they’re in pretty good hands.

EDIT: Oh and for some insane reason the Formula 1 Grand Prix in Melbourne is going ahead this weekend! Three hundred thousand people all squished together and using portaloos - not this little brown duck. I guess money really does talk!!
 
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I think Western culture tends to be very centralized around the "individual" vs "the community or collective" (which tends to be a higher priority in places like China. In the US, many people are not good at changing their lives to protect others if it requires them to do something inconvenient (especially when it comes to something they cannot "see"). People just don't get that if they don't FEEL sick, they could still BE sick--- People are also used to coming to work sick and sending their kids when sick, saying, "it's just a cold" or "I can't afford to stay home" ---which is true in many cases, but seriously problematic. I believe that kids are helping to transmit this but schools and parents are trying to keep their kids calm and downplaying it (failing to mention that kids could kill "grandma" or "grandpa" with that very same "cold".
The fact that people could get this, be okay, but kill others is too "abstract" for many (it's strange, but many young people are like, meh...it's fine".

You look at places in Asia where they are spraying down the streets and telling people to stay in...You don't see that here. It is only VERY recently that the US started making changes with schools ect (thank God colleges are finally kind of reacting in areas with active cases). It doesn't help that this has been downplayed and compared repeatedly to the flu, in contrast to alarm sounded by the WHO....

Then there are all of the testing restrictions that have allowed it to spread (undetected). If you go to the doctor or even call ahead with respiratory symptoms, they will very likely NOT test you unless you traveled to Italy, China or Iran (or end up in the ICU)...

Many doctor's offices have signs up that say "IF YOU TRAVELED FROM CHINA, PUT ON A MASK AND ALERT STAFF" (but I don't understand why they haven't updated these). I went to the doctor the other day and complained of flu symptoms before I got there. I was told to wear a mask (as is anyone with flu symptoms) and that there would be some masks sitting in the entryway. Before I entered, I called to find out where they were said masks were located and they said they had to bring them into the office because people were stealing them. Here is my issue:

1). The sign on their door only said to specify if you had been to China and then it said "wear a mask" and inform the front desk. Similarly, it said that anyone with flu symptoms should wear a mask. This still means walking into an office with an ineffective mask and then exposing other people to a potential threat.
2) The masks were basic surgical masks with large gaps and they originally were sitting out where anyone could touch them or cough on them.
3). Since people were stealing them, in order to get one, I had to touch/walk through 4 sets of doors, stand in a waiting room (with others---unmasked) and wait for an unmasked secretary to open the glass and hand me a mask (sitting in an open box in a room of other unmasked secretaries).
4)My doctor was not wearing a mask, nor were any others within the office.

Despite statements that testing restrictions have been loosened, it is HIGHLY unlikely that family doctors etc are going to test people UNLESS they are in the midst of a very packed cluster/outbreak and the availability of tests/testing turnover----it takes days to get a positive or negative result.
It took hundreds of cases and the word "pandemic" before Americans started to to take this seriously, and now it is a race up-hill due to the slow start.

I believe that there are probably thousands of undiagnosed cases all over the country being brushed off as flu or colds. Again, unless you are old and have a travel history (or hospitalized) MANY doctors are saying they do not have permission to test (which contradicts statements that testing had been relaxed).

People are acting like it won't happen to them, even though it is happening all around us. I think yesterday was the first day when people ACTUALLY started to start closing campuses etc...It's crazy and maddening.
Add to that the fact that many doctor's offices are sending out letters to patients saying things like, "you should be comfortable seeking care for any respiratory issue at our office" CRAZY!


Reminds me of the Titanic when they first hit the iceberg in first class.
 
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To be fair, Singapore was always going to be the “gold standard” in its response to something like this, given the strong social cohesion instilled into its citizens by 30 years of stewardship by Lee Kuan Yew. The response from the USA, given its current administration, was always going to be somewhat messy. Even messier is Italy, how many presidents have they had in the last 10-15 years or so? No wonder they’ve had to lock the whole country down!

Precisely! The U.S. typically prizes rugged individualism ahead of social cohesion. We have just begun to wrap our collective arms around the grisly reality of COVID-19 and are taking baby steps to ameliorate impending disaster. I am convinced the strategy has been to minimize testing in effort to contain hysteria and economic fallout. The sleeping giant has finally awoken, seems grassroots community efforts at local level will best manage whatever comes. We are well behind the power curve, best hope is to "flatten the curve" of serious cases to reduce healthcare system meltdown.

A nightmare scenario is a COVID-19 mutation that resumes with vengeance later this year. Precisely what happened with "Spanish Influenza."
 
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Tbh, I find this situation a bit frustrating. Singapore got ahead and has been managing the situation quite well.

- There is transparency between the government and the people - we get daily (if not twice daily) updates on the latest situation via the most common form of communication (WhatsApp).
- Entire hospitalisation for COVID-19 is covered by the government; if you have COVID-19 symptoms, you can visit a clinic for only 10 SGD (~7 USD).
- We blocked travellers from China (excepting our residents, who were quarantined) immediately, and then subsequently other countries.
- We have aggressive contact tracing, and many are on stay-at-home orders. If that is broken, the government did rescind someone's permanent residency and banned him from ever returning to Singapore.
- If you are on stay-at-home or are quarantined in a facility, you are compensated 100 SGD per day.

Now because other countries didn't get their act together, majority of our new causes are imported from those other countries. We're having cases pop up from European countries, and no doubt, I expect the US to export a few to us as well.

The government warned us to expect a rise in cases and said that soon there will be no point to banning specific countries because most countries will have it. And being who we are, so integrated and dependent on the global economy, we cannot ban the entire world from entering Singapore.

It's infuriating that we had a handle on the situation, but other countries can't get their act together and cause trouble for the rest of us. It's like a group project gone wrong - one group member did the work, and the other group members just blew it.


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We're about*half the size of Los Angeles*(city, not county), with a population density of*8,136.78/sqkm.

In contrast,*LA is the most densely populated city in the US at only 2,910/sqkm*- nowhere near the density of Singapore.

We cannot afford our 'group members' (other countries) to jeopardise us.

I give highest praise to Singapore, and have through out this thread! I want you guys as our group project leader!

Your guys honesty and contact tracing top notch!!
 
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Light traffic in LA.

I have a 75 mile commute one way. Down the 14 freeway to the 5 and then the 405.
My drive takes me through one of the busiest intersections (101/405).
I don't drive it at rush hour and that's about the only thing that makes it doable.
Monday-Wednesday the traffic has been unusually light, like it's a week with a holiday and a lot of people are taking the week off.

I think there are a fair number of people taking the threat seriously and working from home or just sitting it out.

At my place of work all non-essential meetings and travel are to be cancelled.
I keep checking the emergency hot line for my work in the hopes they will say we are not to come in. Until then I have to go in.
This is suppose to be my last week before retirement (if the paperwork is strait).
Not so great timing for my 401K:( :headwall:
 
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Scott "grisly reality of COVID-19 and are taking baby steps to ameliorate impending disaster. I am convinced the strategy has been to minimize testing in effort to contain hysteria and economic fallout."

So very true,!!!!! I cringed at all the half truths and slight of hands that were going on....we are thinking adults, give us the facts, and we can face the truth, and plan.

So many Americans have been left flat footed, trying to catch up mentally to the new reality.
 
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We in the UK have just had a sombre update. Our numbers are still pretty low in comparison to other countries but the recognised cases are doubling every couple of days. They said that every family would probably lose loved ones before their time.

By asking anyone who has any symptoms however mild to self isolate in their house for 7 days. No contact even with housemates. To sleep alone etc.
They expect our peak to be 14 weeks away at present rates although that might change. As that approaches they will want anyone over 60 and or with other health problems to self isolate for maybe 14 weeks in all. Ie 7 weeks either side of the peak.
The say isolation now will slow the peak so hospitals can cope. As I said it was pretty sombre.
 
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WE, The US have failed to prepare and failed to do the testing at first. But we are now slowly on playing the catching up game.

Everyone, please protect yourselves and please be safe.


WELL. We, Americans are stubborn and no one can control us. :rolleyes: :D

 
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IMHO, this Thread has devolved into a rehash of US National News Media's latest trash talk... Blended with a heavy coating of bash America... That is a steep fall from the highly informative, well documented, source of excellent information, which founded this Thread.

At this very moment, the US has a total of 39 deaths (12 March 2020, 13:00 hours). When one takes a moment and in fact look at that death count, one sees that 26 of those are located in a single facility, in a single city, in a single State... 39 - 26 = 13 non-hot spot deaths... When one pulls the cruise ship sourced deaths, the number drops even more.

In the last three weeks, the source for new cases has shifted from China source to Europe sourced. Hence the shutdown of travels from the EU.

I fully disagree with the use of fear to change people's minds! That tool results in very poor thinking and very poor reactions...

The fear mongering and bash talk is stealing from the excellent foundation of this Thread. I strongly recommend a return to the roots of this Thread...
 
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You think this is bad? You should’ve heard the verbal flogging our prime minister got when the federal government completely dropped the ball during our recent bushfire crisis (and quite deservedly so IMVHO!) But we are lucky to live in a free country where our political opinions don’t land us in jail - I’d be serving a life sentence if they did ;)
 
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The big problem is we have exponent growth across the globe. People think linear and look at numbers. People as a whole have exponential growth bias, difficulty grasping the implications of exponential growth. I will share below, but experts say even showing and seeing and education, still stops people from grasping exponential growth. The world cases went up nearly 9,000 today, a few days ago we only went up 2,000.....…we are in the midst of extreme expionital growth.

" Under exponential growth 500 cases grow to more than 1 million cases after 11 doubling times.7 And after 10 more doubling times it would be 1 billion cases.

This is in no way a prediction for the number of cases we need to expect; it is simply a reminder that exponential growth leads to very large numbers very quickly even when starting from a low base. And it is important to be reminded of the nature of exponential growth because most of us do not intuitively grasp expionital growth. Psychologists find that humans tend to think in linear growth processes (1, 2, 3, 4) even when this is not appropriately describing the reality in front of our eyes. This bias – to “linearize exponential functions when assessing them intuitively” – is referred to as ‘exponential growth bias’.8 "

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/10/simple-math-alarming-answers-covid-19/
 
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"Don’t scold people for worrying about the coronavirus"
"Yes, we shouldn’t panic — but let’s not dismiss people’s worries so easily. There’s still much we don’t know about the virus.
No reason for alarm’ is bad science as well as bad risk communication,” risk communications expert Peter Sandman wrote last week. “Telling people not to worry about an emerging infectious disease because it isn’t a significant risk here and now is foolish. We want people to worry about measles when there’s very little measles around, so they will take the precaution of vaccinating their children before it’s imminently necessary. We want people to worry about retirement when they’re years away from retiring, so they will start saving now.”

Panic = not thinking
Fear= survival instinct , risk assessment
I see a snake if I pick it up, I fear it will bite me. Panic is I see a snake , I run away blindly

A new study says that talking about your fears can help you overcome them. ... Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles found that people could better overome their fears by labelling and talking about them rather than trying to ignore them.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-09-05/talk-about-your-fears-overcome-them-says-new-study
 
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My governer and several others(MD, Ohio, Kentucky, etc) have closed all schools for the next 2+ weeks effective tomorrow afternoon. The Spring Meet at Keeneland will be run with no spectators. Kentucky Derby being threatened.
 
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" It is a failing. Let's admit it,' Fauci says of coronavirus testing capacity
"The system is not really geared to what we need right now," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a House hearing."

We are working to improve, and ramping up. But honestly owning up, is part of the process. Even so no one in the world can pin point infection numbers in real time, it's a constant catch up process.
 

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