COVID-19 Virus

[Snapdragon]

Re: Wuhan virus

I just found out that my hours at the parrot shop are being cut down due to lack of business from the novel coronavirus. All the way to one or two days per week. (They do want me back though once business improves. And they're going to hold Tashi for me without a deposit, for however long I need.)

I'm supposed to be out of my current housing by the end of April.

To make things even worse, I can't get unemployment or coronavirus layoff assistance from the state because my hours from my base year aren't enough. Despite the fact that it was due to health issues. I am so screwed.

And on top of that, I just found someone last night who is willing to rent out a room to someone with three cats and a small parrot, for only $500/month. And it sounds PERFECT. But now I doubt that'll be possible.

I just... I don't know what I'm going to do. For now, I'm going to go curl up in bed with my cats and a box of really weird Sour Patch Kids cereal. (Think Froot Loops with a sour coating.)

 

[LaManuka]

Re: Wuhan virus

OMG Snapdragon I’m so sorry to hear this, although it’s very nice of the shop to keep Tashi safe for you (nice name btw). Just goes to show this illness will make a lot of people suffer even though they may never actually catch it!

 

[T00tsyd]

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I think we all need to be realistic. We need as many people as possible to get the virus hopefully with mild symptoms and recover. That will give them immunity. The more people who are immune the better. Here in the UK they are trying to slowly allow the virus to spread. It really can't be stopped. Children tend to be affected more mildly so here they have left the schools open for now. Older vulnerable people like myself are gradually removing themselves from mixing. I haven't been outside for 5 days, but will shop later when it tends to be quiet. We use sanitisers or carefully wash our hands for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. So I will carefully sanitise as I come out of the supermarket - the trolley handle!!!! - and get in the car and wash as soon as I get home. Bear in mind that the virus lives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces. I will clean all my shopping as I put it away, disinfect worktops, door handles, and then wash again. We are being told not to touch the face/eyes/nose/mouth unless we have cleaned hands thoroughly first.
The priority here seems to be to drip feed those who might need medical intervention with the emphasis on those who will recover. The rest of us just need to withdraw and let the fitter ones fight it. Some will die we are told. I will not win a battle with this virus so I can only do what I can to protect myself in the hope that this will give them time to get a vaccine together or wipe out the virus by letting it run out of steam.

I might just add that panicking will make it worse. We need clear heads, a methodical approach to keeping clean and maybe a few prayers. Stress will make us all more vulnerable.

 

[noodles123]

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I think we all need to be realistic. We need as many people as possible to get the virus hopefully with mild symptoms and recover. That will give them immunity. The more people who are immune the better. Here in the UK they are trying to slowly allow the virus to spread. It really can't be stopped. Children tend to be affected more mildly so here they have left the schools open for now. Older vulnerable people like myself are gradually removing themselves from mixing. I haven't been outside for 5 days, but will shop later when it tends to be quiet. We use sanitisers or carefully wash our hands for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. So I will carefully sanitise as I come out of the supermarket - the trolley handle!!!! - and get in the car and wash as soon as I get home. Bear in mind that the virus lives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces. I will clean all my shopping as I put it away, disinfect worktops, door handles, and then wash again. We are being told not to touch the face/eyes/nose/mouth unless we have cleaned hands thoroughly first.
The priority here seems to be to drip feed those who might need medical intervention with the emphasis on those who will recover. The rest of us just need to withdraw and let the fitter ones fight it. Some will die we are told. I will not win a battle with this virus so I can only do what I can to protect myself in the hope that this will give them time to get a vaccine together or wipe out the virus by letting it run out of steam.

I might just add that panicking will make it worse. We need clear heads, a methodical approach to keeping clean and maybe a few prayers. Stress will make us all more vulnerable.

I disagree here- we don't know that getting it makes people immune for sure, and the more people who get it, the more likely the strain is to mutate into something new by the time we have a vaccine. In ideal conditions, it can live up to 9 days on hard surfaces. 72 is what they have been telling people since panic started, but all of the literature says that flu is generally 2 days and this is up to 9. Also, as stated previously, while children's symptoms are milder, they are just as contagious, so if their plan is to spread it slowly, leaving schools open is a poor choice.

 

[T00tsyd]

Re: Wuhan virus

I think we all need to be realistic. We need as many people as possible to get the virus hopefully with mild symptoms and recover. That will give them immunity. The more people who are immune the better. Here in the UK they are trying to slowly allow the virus to spread. It really can't be stopped. Children tend to be affected more mildly so here they have left the schools open for now. Older vulnerable people like myself are gradually removing themselves from mixing. I haven't been outside for 5 days, but will shop later when it tends to be quiet. We use sanitisers or carefully wash our hands for at least 20 seconds with soap and water. So I will carefully sanitise as I come out of the supermarket - the trolley handle!!!! - and get in the car and wash as soon as I get home. Bear in mind that the virus lives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces. I will clean all my shopping as I put it away, disinfect worktops, door handles, and then wash again. We are being told not to touch the face/eyes/nose/mouth unless we have cleaned hands thoroughly first.
The priority here seems to be to drip feed those who might need medical intervention with the emphasis on those who will recover. The rest of us just need to withdraw and let the fitter ones fight it. Some will die we are told. I will not win a battle with this virus so I can only do what I can to protect myself in the hope that this will give them time to get a vaccine together or wipe out the virus by letting it run out of steam.

I might just add that panicking will make it worse. We need clear heads, a methodical approach to keeping clean and maybe a few prayers. Stress will make us all more vulnerable.

I disagree here- we don't know that getting it makes people immune for sure, and the more people who get it, the more likely the strain is to mutate into something new by the time we have a vaccine. In ideal conditions, it can live up to 9 days on hard surfaces. 72 is what they have been telling people since panic started, but all of the literature says that flu is generally 2 days and this is up to 9. Also, as stated previously, while children's symptoms are milder, they are just as contagious, so if their plan is to spread it slowly, leaving schools open is a poor choice.

And this is more than half the problem. No-one agrees on a plan. Here in the UK the Government has been quite clear and we have to come to a point where we either follow a plan altogether or create chaos. The TV is full of doubters and pundits/scientists who all disagree with one another. So there comes a point where someone needs to take a lead and we need to trust. I can't help but feel that our elected government is doing its best and the wise thing is that we are all on the same page. If not the potential to change that plan if it is deemed not to be working, fails.
They are constantly revising the results, the options and the science as it becomes available. With the best will in the world I know I cannot possibly top that knowledge. I see my job as giving them the results on their decisions so improvement can be made if necessary. Surely otherwise we all become headless chickens to the detriment of everyone.

 

[noodles123]

Re: Wuhan virus

I think that the WHO is trying to emphasize that we need to be drastic to slow the spread, but countries and towns are feeling overwhelmed by the measures that will take because in our lifetimes, there hasn't been anything significant enough to prompt this level of containment locally in most places. They are hesitating because people are reacting as though any action is too drastic.

 

[T00tsyd]

Re: Wuhan virus

I think that the WHO is trying to emphasize that we need to be drastic to slow the spread, but countries and towns are feeling overwhelmed by the measures that will take because in our lifetimes, there hasn't been anything significant enough to prompt this level of containment locally in most places. They are hesitating because people are reacting as though any action is too drastic.

Exactly - if the government suddenly announced a bomb and shouted duck now, how many would turn around and ask for scientific proof?

 

[clark_conure]

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from CDC, hopefully this is true....

I'm not afraid of getting the virus its my pets I worry about, and the run on supplies, but I had a huge head start on that, I was way ahead of the curve.

But it looks like pets in general "might" be immune...

 

[fiddlejen]

Re: Wuhan virus

from CDC, hopefully this is true....

I'm not afraid of getting the virus its my pets I worry about, and the run on supplies, but I had a huge head start on that, I was way ahead of the curve.

But it looks like pets in general "might" be immune...

It says when caring for your pets to “wear a facemask.” Heh heh. And just where should we get those facemasks from, which were the first things unavailable since China ever first announced Quarantine? And which can’t even be found in doctors offices? However we’re supposed to suddenly have some handy for caring for our pet. Hm hum.

 

[fiddlejen]

Re: Wuhan virus

I have a pre-scheduled, non-urgent but hard to get doctors appointment scheduled Tuesday. I also have an unrelated, possibly more urgent appointment scheduled Thursday. I’m wondering whether I should cancel both of these or perhaps just the non-urgent on Tuesday.

 

[clark_conure]

Re: Wuhan virus

as a hazmat first responder I have access to filtered masks......but...I'd have to wear it to protect my birds and I'd be contagious before I even knew I was sick so it's all for not.


I was just encouraged by the fact they report of no pets have been reported as infected.

 

[fiddlejen]

Re: Wuhan virus

I tend to limit my intake of standard news, as it tends to be quite repetitive. I do catch the news on the radio every few days whilst commuting.

The other day I heard something quite interesting, I’m not seeing or hearing it repeated but that could be because I’m not listening to much. What I heard tucked in the middle of some other info was that China has determined a link in the severe cases. High blood pressure. Ppotentially the reason children weren’t getting it severely. And also the reason that seniors get hit worst. High level of correlation 50% of the severe cases people had high blood pressure.

Well I have high blood pressure that would put me greatly at risk. And who knows exactly why the connection. But in any case that gives me guidance to improve my own personal chance of getting through this safely.

Anyway, seems like important information to share if it’s true, that there may be a distinct link between HBP and virus severity.

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

I have a pre-scheduled, non-urgent but hard to get doctors appointment scheduled Tuesday. I also have an unrelated, possibly more urgent appointment scheduled Thursday. I’m wondering whether I should cancel both of these or perhaps just the non-urgent on Tuesday.

Most recommendation to cancel non essential health care, but if something's is serious or urgent you must go. Good luck, stay safe

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

As in the case of an approaching hurricane, Dr. Mecher said, “You’ve got to take potentially very disruptive actions when the sun is shining and the breeze is mild.”

The Bellow is if we did nothing to slow the virus spread down. We must slow the spread if you he virus, so people can have a ventilators if needed and give health system s chsnce to manage

"Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

We should honor Nancy Messonnier, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the first to step up and publicly warm American's, on February 25th. ( And seems to have paid the price of that early warning, with harsh backlash)!

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more of a question of exactly when this will happen,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in a news briefing.

She said that cities and towns should plan for “social distancing measures,” like dividing school classes into smaller groups of students or closing schools altogether. Meetings and conferences may have to be canceled, she said. Businesses should arrange for employees to work from home.
“We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare, in the expectation that this could be bad,” Dr. Messonnier said.

 

[clark_conure]

Re: Wuhan virus

I strongly recommend the joe rogan podcast 1439
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw&t="]Joe Rogan Experience #1439 - Michael Osterholm - YouTube[/ame]

this guy isn't making money off media attention. They set up the meeting a while ago.

It's chock full of info.

 

[Scott]

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I tend to limit my intake of standard news, as it tends to be quite repetitive. I do catch the news on the radio every few days whilst commuting.

The other day I heard something quite interesting, I’m not seeing or hearing it repeated but that could be because I’m not listening to much. What I heard tucked in the middle of some other info was that China has determined a link in the severe cases. High blood pressure. Ppotentially the reason children weren’t getting it severely. And also the reason that seniors get hit worst. High level of correlation 50% of the severe cases people had high blood pressure.

Well I have high blood pressure that would put me greatly at risk. And who knows exactly why the connection. But in any case that gives me guidance to improve my own personal chance of getting through this safely.

Anyway, seems like important information to share if it’s true, that there may be a distinct link between HBP and virus severity.

Interesting hypothesis! Wonder if there is a distinction between controlled vs uncontrolled BP? If not, perhaps the underlying physical factors are determinative, or perhaps a link to meds used to control.

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

UNITED STATES TO DECLARE NATIONAL EMERGENCY

Turmp is expected to to declare a national state of emergency today at 3:00 P.M ET [source]

Coronavirus expert Dr. Anthony Fauci says: [video]

It’s certainly going to get worse before it gets better
Crisis will last for at least several weeks and possibly 2 months or more
Complete shut down like in Italy and China is not off the

 

[Laurasea]

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We are working to prevent worst case scenario, by taking many actions .
" Worst Case Scenario by CDC (if no actions taken) [source]

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected (Worst case scenario). Dr. Lawler, an infectious diseases specialist, provided a “best guess” projections of 96 million people

Could last months or even over a year

As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die. Dr. Lawler’s calculations: 480,000 deaths, which he said was conservative

By contrast, 20,000 to 50,000 people have died from flu-related illnesses this season according to CDC.

2.4 million to 21 million people in the U.S. could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill

 

[bug_n_flock]

Re: Wuhan virus

A case just announced 1 county over from us. Same county as the rescue.