COVID-19 Virus

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Oh gee, I hope you are well again soon, Noodles.



And wow, good catch Clark conure. Yeah homeopathy is snake oil. It runs on the belief that water has "memory". It is literally nothing. You could drink the whole bottle and all it would do is make you a bit more hydrated. I didn't know Zicam was one such, I am not familiar with the product.
FYI, not everyone is of your belief!
Remember, 200 years ago, germs were considered fake hype!
 
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Also covid-19 hit MN yesterday....I FINALLY GET A CHANCE TO SURVIVE THE APOCALYPSE WITH MY FOOD AND WATER RESOURCES! ...actually I'll probably die or be fine but birds get sick, or everyone in area dies and I'm left alone....either way nothing really works out good for me.... Where is the virus that turns regular women into ( typed it out then I thought yeah they might send me another PM if I posted that....) :D at least I learned to self censor....I'm maturing

Ever so slowly good friend, ever so slowly... :D
 
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Oh gee, I hope you are well again soon, Noodles.



And wow, good catch Clark conure. Yeah homeopathy is snake oil. It runs on the belief that water has "memory". It is literally nothing. You could drink the whole bottle and all it would do is make you a bit more hydrated. I didn't know Zicam was one such, I am not familiar with the product.
FYI, not everyone is of your belief!
Remember, 200 years ago, germs were considered fake hype!

not sure what you are saying you believe in homeopathy? If so, don't.
 
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CDC update,
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its guidance and is now warning older adults and people with severe medical conditions including heart, lung or kidney disease to "stay home as much possible." People in those categories are also advised to avoid crowds. The information on the CDC's website was updated Friday, according to The Associated Press.
 
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well this certainly isn't good for business...
 

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I posted that on previous page ! Keep up ;)
Tho on serious note please let people be safe, and let their quarantines end soon

For us hurricane prone states, we need this to peek before hurricane season.....
 
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Well she's not the only one who can't believe a doctor with symptom treated people in Australia!
Flabbergasted’: Melbourne doctor with coronavirus symptoms continued seeing patients
Victorian health minister says doctor likely caught Covid-19 while in US but had seen 70 patients since returning


Noodles have you heard from your freind? Hopefully not the bad stuff!
 
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Oh gee, I hope you are well again soon, Noodles.



And wow, good catch Clark conure. Yeah homeopathy is snake oil. It runs on the belief that water has "memory". It is literally nothing. You could drink the whole bottle and all it would do is make you a bit more hydrated. I didn't know Zicam was one such, I am not familiar with the product.
FYI, not everyone is of your belief!
Remember, 200 years ago, germs were considered fake hype!

not sure what you are saying you believe in homeopathy? If so, don't.
c
I am glad you believe so strongly in your beliefs!
 
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OK fine, so long as you know the homeopathy crap is BS.....

(1) Not all so-called homeopathic remedies are "true" homeopathics, as many have other Active ingredients in them (ie, zinc in Zicam, etc; herbs, vitamins, etc), making them actually "Herbals" or "Natural Remedies" instead, even when their manufacturer uses the term "Homeopathic" loosely.

(2) What you are referring to by (highly offensive)-term "homeopathy crap" is an actual, real, and beneficial effect called PLACEBO. (There is additionally another equally Real, but disadvantageous effect called "Nocebo" which is less commonly-known acknowledged.)

Granted that Placebo is used as the baseline in drug studies ((--since, why prescribe a potentially-dangerous chemical if its benefits don't exceed a non-side-effect sugar-preparation?--)) nonetheless there have been studies done showing that Placebo Itself can be an effective, actual treatment for various issues. With measurable, beneficial effects as compared to no treatment. (Sometimes even when user has been fully advised it's placebo!)

The thing is, the whole concept of "all in your head..." well, most things are, really. That brain of ours is sending signals & controlling the whole show. EVERYTHING we experience IS All In Your Head. Including all the body's reactions to any invaders-injury-illness-insults the Body is dealing with!

BUT. If a Person wants to Use the Placebo effect for themselves. How do they do it? Take a spoonful of sugar from a sugar dish? Well, that might work--if Mary Poppins is there to tell them it will.

Or, you could go to a store that carries a line of Actual Homeopathics. Knowing full well, there is not one bit of an active ingredient in that little tablet, nonetheless read over the listing and choose the correct one. Choose the little tablet formulated specifically for whatever my brain needs to help body with.

Now, take that Exact Placebo that has been "prescribed" for your particular issue. You have just chosen to USE the Placebo Effect!

It might help a lot -- or, maybe just a little. HOW does it work? Not sure about that one -- the jury is out, on Exactly How the Placebo Effect works. But it's a Definite that it Can Work. Maybe not always -- but then again, sometimes regular medicines don't always work too. But those regular medicines Always have some kind of other effects on body systems, beyond just whatever they've been taken for.

Placebo effect? Well, First do No Harm, and then, Likely to provide some (if Minimal) Assistance. This actually and truly is Not "Crap" or "BS." Homeopathy is in fact an effective method of Harnessing the Placebo Effect to good use!

Now. Would I ever recommend Relying on homeopathics? Not at all! The reason we have other meds at all is because placebo is a Weak Force. In fact I personally don't bother with homeopathics at all.

But I have watched the homeopathic-placebo effect work for someone who was unable to take antihistamines for a time. It did Not work as Well as Actual antihistamines. But it DID work far Better than Nothing!

And, if someone has or takes true-homeopathics anyway -- I would Absolutely recommend continuing, or even increasing them, in face of current illness-danger. Any little bit of help for our bodies will be good, and will do no harm.

Personally, I don't take homeopathics myself. If I was given some for free? I'd almost certainly add-them-in at this point. But I don't have funds for that minimal impact. Also, homeopathics are Not the Only working Placebos. I can apply Jinshin Jitsu techniques instead (which are at Least as effective as Any Other Placebo) without need to buy anything.

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Please rember that both CDC and WHO.now urge everyone over 60, and anyone who has health issues, to avoid crowds, to stay in as much as possible. ( People 70 and over have a nearly 20% fatality rate)
Every flu season my doctor tells me I can't eat at fast food or restaurant! He said that would greatly lower my risk, so I share that tip with you. Only eat food you prepare if you are in a high risk group like me.

But also SARS-CoV-2 ( COVID 19) can cause severe acute respiratory symptom in any age group, except those under 10.
Bellow is about a 36 year old.


NEWS
Here’s how a Nebraska coronavirus patient was transported
By Laura Italiano

March 8, 2020 | 1:19am

A woman who tested positive with the coronavirus is brought to the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
A woman who tested positive with the coronavirus is brought to the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
AP
A chilling photograph shows the extreme measures taken to safely transport Nebraska’s first corona*virus case – an Omaha woman who may have contracted the virus on a recent trip to the UK.

The woman, 36, had been treated for mild symptoms at an Omaha hospital until Friday. Then her infection took a turn for the worse, officials told Omaha.com.

She was transported for more specialized treatment to the University of Nebraska Medical Center, also in Omaha – secured inside what’s known as an “isolation pod” and handled only by “moon-suit” medical workers.

The woman is currently being treated for acute respiratory distress syndrome at UNMC’s Biocontainment Unit.
 
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Data from China
Released by China
Fatality risk by age
80+ years old
21.9% actual fatalities as currently counted
14.8%

70-79 years old
8.0%

60-69 years old
3.6%

50-59 years old
1.3%

40-49 years old
0.4%

30-39 years old
0.2%

20-29 years old
0.2%

10-19 years old
0.2%

0-9 years old

In Italy
Of current death toll broken down
Percentage of deaths by age group:
90+ years old: 6% of deaths
80 - 89 years old: 42% of deaths
70 - 79 years old: 35% of deaths
60 - 69 years old: 16% of deaths

If you are over 60 your % risk of death by this virus is much higher than the average of 3.4% rate.

Please take extra caution
CDC update,
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its guidance and is now warning older adults and people with severe medical conditions including heart, lung or kidney disease to "stay home as much possible." People in those categories are also advised to avoid crowds. The information on the CDC's website was updated Friday, according to The Associated Press.
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( For my freinds, fever gone! Cough lingering)
 
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fiddlejen I agree the placebo effect is real, the placebo effect has been proven in studies. But you're a reasonable person so you understand what it is. Charging 9 dollars for a sugar pill is when real medicine is available, I can't agree with.

If I was trying to cure a hypochondriac that thinks they have some illness they don't I'd certainly use homeopathic medicine, because you can't overdose on them and sure a few have some vitamins and minerals (most don't),and very fancy medical packaging; but I think I just see it as a whole as mass fraud. Taking money from ignorant people (not dumb) that don't know any better.

For instance would you give homeopathic pills to a parrot? It's not going to fix them...only vet medicine will. And a good diet.
 
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Florida currently 15 cases if you add the previous hidden 6 cases that brings Florida total to 21

As of Sunday morning, there are 19 positive cases of COVID-19 tied to Florida. The Florida Department of Health says that 11 of those are Florida residents, five of those are Florida residents in other states or countries, and one is a non-Florida resident in*Florida.
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/m...ing-1-in-central-florida-health-officials-say
 
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OK fine, so long as you know the homeopathy crap is BS.....

(1) Not all so-called homeopathic remedies are "true" homeopathics, as many have other Active ingredients in them (ie, zinc in Zicam, etc; herbs, vitamins, etc), making them actually "Herbals" or "Natural Remedies" instead, even when their manufacturer uses the term "Homeopathic" loosely.

(2) What you are referring to by (highly offensive)-term "homeopathy crap" is an actual, real, and beneficial effect called PLACEBO. (There is additionally another equally Real, but disadvantageous effect called "Nocebo" which is less commonly-known acknowledged.)

Granted that Placebo is used as the baseline in drug studies ((--since, why prescribe a potentially-dangerous chemical if its benefits don't exceed a non-side-effect sugar-preparation?--)) nonetheless there have been studies done showing that Placebo Itself can be an effective, actual treatment for various issues. With measurable, beneficial effects as compared to no treatment. (Sometimes even when user has been fully advised it's placebo!)

The thing is, the whole concept of "all in your head..." well, most things are, really. That brain of ours is sending signals & controlling the whole show. EVERYTHING we experience IS All In Your Head. Including all the body's reactions to any invaders-injury-illness-insults the Body is dealing with!

BUT. If a Person wants to Use the Placebo effect for themselves. How do they do it? Take a spoonful of sugar from a sugar dish? Well, that might work--if Mary Poppins is there to tell them it will.

Or, you could go to a store that carries a line of Actual Homeopathics. Knowing full well, there is not one bit of an active ingredient in that little tablet, nonetheless read over the listing and choose the correct one. Choose the little tablet formulated specifically for whatever my brain needs to help body with.

Now, take that Exact Placebo that has been "prescribed" for your particular issue. You have just chosen to USE the Placebo Effect!

It might help a lot -- or, maybe just a little. HOW does it work? Not sure about that one -- the jury is out, on Exactly How the Placebo Effect works. But it's a Definite that it Can Work. Maybe not always -- but then again, sometimes regular medicines don't always work too. But those regular medicines Always have some kind of other effects on body systems, beyond just whatever they've been taken for.

Placebo effect? Well, First do No Harm, and then, Likely to provide some (if Minimal) Assistance. This actually and truly is Not "Crap" or "BS." Homeopathy is in fact an effective method of Harnessing the Placebo Effect to good use!

Now. Would I ever recommend Relying on homeopathics? Not at all! The reason we have other meds at all is because placebo is a Weak Force. In fact I personally don't bother with homeopathics at all.

But I have watched the homeopathic-placebo effect work for someone who was unable to take antihistamines for a time. It did Not work as Well as Actual antihistamines. But it DID work far Better than Nothing!

And, if someone has or takes true-homeopathics anyway -- I would Absolutely recommend continuing, or even increasing them, in face of current illness-danger. Any little bit of help for our bodies will be good, and will do no harm.

Personally, I don't take homeopathics myself. If I was given some for free? I'd almost certainly add-them-in at this point. But I don't have funds for that minimal impact. Also, homeopathics are Not the Only working Placebos. I can apply Jinshin Jitsu techniques instead (which are at Least as effective as Any Other Placebo) without need to buy anything.

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Thank you! I personally am standing proof of Homeopathics!
I contracted meningitis at 22 and was fortunate enough to go to a well respected Homeopathic doctor! My recovery was less than 4 weeks!
 
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Chilling indeed. Thank you for sharing it. Stay safe everyone.
 
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The people who are infected early may be the lucky ones, if they are not lucky enough to avoid it altogether.

The article is a bit chilling.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html
Thank you for sharing! This is the kind of i fo that needs to be widely available!

Italy has been testing thousands, they say they are not missing mild cases, that this disese is severe an spreads easily. Stressing that those over 65 are at great risk for severe disease, with hospitalized for pneumonia.
 
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Well, over the next four weeks the Snow Birds will be returning in force from the Southern States and likely bring all sorts of 'Bugs' with them. Add to that the normal Spring Break 'rapid one week migration in and out' will bring even more back with them. So, Michigan will likely be on the map in the near future.

That in combination with my age, I looking forward to warmer weather. Fingers crossed this thing will fade with the transition to Summer's heat and more likely the vast increase in Sunshine!!!

Haven't seem or heard of anything regarding whether that will happen much beyond HOPE!
 
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Has anyone found their news muzzled regarding the coronavirus?
Our cases more than doubled overall. My news just said and I quote " cases in Florida have gone up" no mention of total cases or places in the state with cases, then we were told to wash our hands and stay home if sick.
Is it because we have Concorde de elegance and international car show going on with cars from 300 global locations on show? Or because we have spring breakers, or because we have the PGA going on?

Does your local news cover cases?
I missed the world news, did they cover cases by state numbers, or say we climbed by 90 cases today?
 
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It makes my heart ache, that so many are not prepared....

I do not want to cause fear. We aren't all going to die, the world isn't going to end.

But there is going to be significant impact on most people's lives. I want people to take actions,
To think about how they will cope, how they will help.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/07/harvard-forum-experts-warn-most-daunting-virus-in-50-years/

5 March 15:30 GMT — China study suggests children are as likely to be infected as adults

Children are just as likely to get infected with the new coronavirus as adults, finds one of the most detailed studies yet published on the spread of the virus, known as SARS-CoV-2. The analysis — based on data from Shenzhen, China — provides a partial answer to one of the most pressing questions surrounding the outbreak: the role of children.

Previous studies have suggested that kids were far less likely to develop severe symptoms when infected by the coronavirus, compared with other age groups. But it was not clear if it was because they weren’t getting infected or if they were fighting off the infection more effectively than others.

“Kids are just as likely to get infected and they’re not getting sick,” says Justin Lessler, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. He co-led the study with Johns Hopkins epidemiologist Qifang Bi, and epidemiologists Ting Ma, at the Harbin Institute of Technology in Shenzhen, and Tiejian Feng, of the Shenzhen Center for Disease Control and Prevention. They posted the analysis to the medRxiv preprint
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w

" And it is important to be reminded of the nature of exponential growth because most of us do not grasp exponential growth intuitively. Psychologists find that humans tend to think in linear growth processes (1, 2, 3, 4) even when this is not appropriately describing the reality in front of our eyes. This bias – to “linearize exponential functions when assessing them intuitively” – is referred to as ‘exponential growth bias’."
 
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