COVID-19 Virus

[SailBoat]

Let's talk about coming Spikes in Individuals contacting this Virus!

There is no question that States like Florida has been and will be faced with multiple spikes, increasing its numbers. But first, where did this Virus come from: First individuals from China and then Europe, plus Cruise Ships and then by Spring Breakers and now escapies from the NYC area. But, Florida is exporting this Virus with the Spring Breakers' returning home and Snowbirds return North.

When one looks at Michigan, which also saw the original China group. It missed the Europe group (who wants to visit cold Michigan), but for the last three weeks we have see the flow from the return of Spring Breakers and the continue flow of Snowbirds. This is seen in Michigan's history with this Virus. The largest and fastest increases originate from those returning from Florida.

NYC escapies represent a "snowball rolling down hill" along I-95 States from New York to just before the Keys (which I understand is closed). There will be increased numbers of illness along that route.

Sadly, there is also those NYC 'Bug-Out' individuals that are escaping to the West and also spreading the Virus West along I 80 /90 and than South along that route. This will increase the numbers also in States that should have Peaked early.

So, with all that in play we are still looking at many areas Peaking over the next few weeks and other areas will begin Peaking further into the future.

The results is a clear increase in number of new cases of this Virus, a Snow Ball Rolling Down a Hill. But in all cases, the bottom of the hill is in sight.

Once again, this belief is founded in the Seasonal Effect of this Virus and North America's continual efforts to supply and provide medications that will slow and then provide protections against this Virus.

 

[Laurasea]

I seem doom and gloom , but I'm not. I just think we need to face the facts, prepare, and continue to work as hard as possible to flattening the curve.

The news has turned largely to puff pieces at least locally.....

The mortality rate has gone up again , yes it can change to something lower ( sure do hope) but SARS was originally thought to have a 3% fatality, after it was done it was determine to have a 10% mortality... And yikes they raised the mortality rate!
COVID-19

R naught (a mathematical term that indicates how contagious an infectious disease is): 2

Mortality rate: 4.5% (this number is in flux)*

World population: 7.8 billion


Also this virus truely a slow mover , despite how rapid the uptick of cases seem. China still has thousands in Hospital and reports deaths every day still. The diamond cruise ship reported 2 more deaths just a couple of days ago.

" The mortality rate generally drops as testing rises and more patients are identified. But epidemiologists caution that the reverse can be true as U.S. hospitals get inundated and run out of necessary equipment, like ventilators, to treat patients who might have otherwise been saved. They also say it takes weeks for the virus to infiltrate a community and several more before people are sick enough to die. So it will be several months before the true mortality rate can be quantified in the U.S. or elsewhere."

I want us to be prepared for the longer haul. Not to relax our safety measures. To wrap our heads around what is to come. We will pass China in total cases either tonight or tomorrow .

Yes we are working hard on treatments, and yes we are working towards a vaccine at world record speed! And yes we will get past this.

 

[bug_n_flock]

249 cases in my state now. 1 a 90 year old man living in a nursing home. Governor called out "large groups gathering at camp grounds". I don't think these are locals.

 

[Laurasea]

We now have the most cases in the world

 

[buurd]

Some people are selfish and likely will be weeded out in time, as most those selfish people can't survive without depending on others to do their work and likely have no skills, or very little. A lot of people are pulling together as well as we need to. In a barter system those that are selfish and don't have skills or willing to help provide services, or items, or help in some form, or another will be left behind.

What do you mean by "weeded out"? Die?

And the people with the 'least skill set' are stocking groceries and are most definitely essential workers. Life has changed, and it's is not going back to how it was. The people who have the least skill set, are the biggest parasites and caused this mess are the people sitting at the top of this pyramid scheme culture, the 0.01%.

 

[Laurasea]

Dr. Messonnier, gave us a truthful warnings, we haven't heard from her again.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,. At noon on Feb. 25, just she told reporters on a conference call that life in the United States was about to change.

“The disruption to everyday life might be severe,” she said. Schools might have to close, conferences could be canceled, businesses might make employees work from home. She had told her own children, she said, to prepare for “significant disruption to our lives.”

Surgeon Generalgives dire warning, hasn't been infront of the camera again....
Surgeon general issues coronavirus warning: 'This week, it's going to get bad'

Not the public face of this coronavirus at last few news conferences after give us warnings....
Public-health experts including Dr. Anthony Fauci are warning Trump officials against sending Americans back to work to restart the suffering economy

Do not let us be editing out our leading health officials, at a time we need them most.

Also Dr. Fauci, also sees what I see coming in Florida....while top officials here do not...

FAUCI: Oh, absolutely. That's the course of these types of outbreaks. So Florida has gotten hit both from internally but also, interestingly, from travel-related cases of people who leave New York, many of whom have second homes in Florida. So we're having a situation, as is predictable when you have outbreaks like this, that you seed different areas from areas that are hotspots.

Don't get me wrong, we are coming together s d doing amazing things. The government is working hard, the stimulus package, rsidi g unemployment pay to 100% fir the next 4 months . We are doing amazing things.

It's just that this fight us still going on against the virus, we are not peaking, we are still in growth

 

[fiddlejen]

More input on the late night traffic: It's out-of-towners bugging out. Feed shop guy said he saw a van packed with items and things like gas cans bungee'd on it. NJ tags.



Guess KY is going to see a surge soon. And elsewhere rural.

Recently I have been remembering a paragraph from the prologue of The Decameron, regarding 14th century bug-out:

Some were of a more barbarous, though, peradventure, a surer way of thinking, avouching that there was no remedy against pestilences better than—no, nor any so good as—to flee before them; wherefore, moved by this reasoning and recking of nought but themselves, very many, both men and women, abandoned their own city, their own houses and homes, their kinsfolk and possessions, and sought the country seats of others, or, at the least, their own, as if the wrath of God, being moved to punish the iniquity of mankind, would not proceed to do so wheresoever they might be, but would content itself with afflicting those only who were found within the walls of their city, or as if they were persuaded that no person was to remain therein and that its last hour was come. And albeit these, who opined thus variously, died not all, yet neither did they all escape; nay, many of each way of thinking and in every place sickened of the plague and languished on all sides, well nigh abandoned, having themselves, what while they were whole, set the example to those who abode in health.

 

[fiddlejen]

Re: Wuhan virus

Im out of a job, and soon to be out of money. Im worried about my bird. If it comes down to it, and I cannot feed him anymore I dont know who would take them in.

I'm worried about my birds too. Different reason tho, slightly. Thankfully haven't been laid off Yet - instead moved to Work At Home, as of yesterday. But What If. Not-exactly-busy right now. I can live out of my car -- but not my Sunny, not in New England!!

But that is not even my real fear. I'm asthmatic. I used to get bronchitis quite frequently. (It became less frequent after they came out with the annual flu vaccines.) Ive had Verified pneumonia at least twice. (And other times not-verified since treatment for bronchitis vs pneumonia was same, so why get yet More chest rads?) When I read frightening descriptions of people's covid experiences, I know what they're describing.

So Ive been wearing scarf or mask, and gloves, in public (ie groceries) & at work. (Funny how people see My mask and then cover Their own face, protectively, to talk to me! But fine, it keeps their breath another tiny-micron further from me.) And now, finally, Im working from home. So IF i havent already been unknowingly exposed, then Im hopeful.

But. What IF. What if I get this and die -- or, get lucky and get respiratored for weeks? Who will take care of my birdies? If I can't breathe & call an ambulance, will they call the SPCA for me? Well even that is such a horrible thought - but the alternative thought is even worse...

 

[SailBoat]

Re: Wuhan virus

Im out of a job, and soon to be out of money. Im worried about my bird. If it comes down to it, and I cannot feed him anymore I dont know who would take them in.

I'm worried about my birds too.

But. What IF. What if I get this and die -- or, get lucky and get respiratored for weeks? Who will take care of my birdies? If I can't breathe & call an ambulance, will they call the SPCA for me? Well even that is such a horrible thought - but the alternative thought is even worse...

Start with a call to your Attorney and set-up a Will, which defines /addresses your concerns and wants. Wills for pets have come a very long way over the last couple of decade. You can even set it up so that a Trust like tool pays for care based on receipts, etc... It will provide you with comfort and assurance that your babies will be cared for... The likely issue is; Who is willing to take your babies.

 

[bigfellasdad]

How are you medical staff doing, im hearing stories that the UKs are getting hit bad... I

 

[ParrotGenie]

Some people are selfish and likely will be weeded out in time, as most those selfish people can't survive without depending on others to do their work and likely have no skills, or very little. A lot of people are pulling together as well as we need to. In a barter system those that are selfish and don't have skills or willing to help provide services, or items, or help in some form, or another will be left behind.

What do you mean by "weeded out"? Die?

And the people with the 'least skill set' are stocking groceries and are most definitely essential workers. Life has changed, and it's is not going back to how it was. The people who have the least skill set, are the biggest parasites and caused this mess are the people sitting at the top of this pyramid scheme culture, the 0.01%.

Actually quite backwards. Never stated low, or high level skill set, or what skill set? I stated no skills, which pretty much means have to rely on the hard work others to make a income and for the most part are greedy and selfish. Not the people contributing. Yes the people stocking groceries, delivery drivers to janitors, to doctors, nurses, farmers, scientists, engineers, techs and etc are most definitely essential workers and all have a skill set of their own in one form, or another, even if it is a low, or high level skill set, one way or another they are contributing. The people sitting at the top that make money pretty much doing nothing for the most part are the issue that are pretty much depended on the hard work of others to pretty much function and of no use without others. The only skill the selfish have is to manipulate the system and other people for their own gain. Yes for the 0.01% is pretty much about control and money and more so control.

Already seeing people pull together and pull resources, so is not all doom. As far as weeded out, well I get more into that as time goes by, as way more complex and doesn't necessary mean dying off? Plus not the type to wish anything bad on anyone, even if they are evil. In a time of crisis good people tend to pull together and true colors of those that are not also tend to show? Yes times are going to be rough for pretty much everyone, it is the ability to adapt and pull together that will get us through and advance. Lately been doing multiple roles and switching roles with others as one get sick, or switching for quarantine periods, so we maintain some isolation as well to keep from spreading to others and each others and for breaks.

"During times of crisis, people tend to come together". "Sometimes good things come out of bad times"

 

[Scott]

How are you medical staff doing, im hearing stories that the UKs are getting hit bad... I

I'll give you an example, from a friend who is a family practice physician in Dallas TX. The following from his daily FB posts, a quoted story from an ICU MD. Rattled me to the core. (posted directly and allowed the forum to censor)

“I'm drenched in sweat from wearing a Tyvek suit and being in our COVID-19 negative pressure ICU for hours doing procedures. I've intubated 3 COVID patients tonight. I have another who is going to die tonight. I have another moving to the unit that I will have to intubate.”
“Every patient asks me the same question: what's going to happen? I give the same answer every time: I don't know, but this isn't good. It's not a lie, but their chances are ****. That's the truth.”
“I've been having them facetime or talk with family before intubation. It's their chance to say goodbye. No family can come into that unit. It's sealed off from the rest of the world. Every time I go in, I feel like I'm walking over graves.”
“It's not the death that's getting to me, it's the not knowing how to fix it. Not knowing how to pull someone back who shouldn't be there. These people who are relatively healthy are being ravaged by this virus. I don't understand it.”
“I just want to help and all I feel like is a grim reaper. I'm not afraid to say it, this virus scares the **** out of me. If you aren't scared, you haven't stood toe to toe with it.”
“Stay safe everyone...”
.

 

[Flboy]

Some people are selfish and likely will be weeded out in time, as most those selfish people can't survive without depending on others to do their work and likely have no skills, or very little. A lot of people are pulling together as well as we need to. In a barter system those that are selfish and don't have skills or willing to help provide services, or items, or help in some form, or another will be left behind.

What do you mean by "weeded out"? Die?

And the people with the 'least skill set' are stocking groceries and are most definitely essential workers. Life has changed, and it's is not going back to how it was. The people who have the least skill set, are the biggest parasites and caused this mess are the people sitting at the top of this pyramid scheme culture, the 0.01%.

Actually quite backwards. Never stated low, or high level skill set, or what skill set? I stated no skills, which pretty much means have to rely on the hard work others to make a income and for the most part are greedy and selfish. Not the people contributing. Yes the people stocking groceries, delivery drivers to janitors, to doctors, nurses, farmers, scientists, engineers, techs and etc are most definitely essential workers and all have a skill set of their own in one form, or another, even if it is a low, or high level skill set, one way or another they are contributing. The people sitting at the top that make money pretty much doing nothing for the most part are the issue that are pretty much depended on the hard work of others to pretty much function and of no use without others. The only skill the selfish have is to manipulate the system and other people for their own gain. Yes for the 0.01% is pretty much about control and money and more so control.

Already seeing people pull together and pull resources, so is not all doom. As far as weeded out, well I get more into that as time goes by, as way more complex and doesn't necessary mean dying off? Plus not the type to wish anything bad on anyone, even if they are evil. In a time of crisis good people tend to pull together and true colors of those that are not also tend to show? Yes times are going to be rough for pretty much everyone, it is the ability to adapt and pull together that will get us through and advance. Lately been doing multiple roles and switching roles with others as one get sick, or switching for quarantine periods, so we maintain some isolation as well to keep from spreading to others and each others and for breaks.

"During times of crisis, people tend to come together". "Sometimes good things come out of bad times"

I see the top .01 in a different light! Also, if I can get you to double your efforts, am I manipulating you, or helping you reach your full potential?

 

[Laurasea]

How are you medical staff doing, im hearing stories that the UKs are getting hit bad... I

I'll give you an example, from a friend who is a family practice physician in Dallas TX. The following from his daily FB posts, a quoted story from an ICU MD. Rattled me to the core. (posted directly and allowed the forum to censor)

“I'm drenched in sweat from wearing a Tyvek suit and being in our COVID-19 negative pressure ICU for hours doing procedures. I've intubated 3 COVID patients tonight. I have another who is going to die tonight. I have another moving to the unit that I will have to intubate.”
“Every patient asks me the same question: what's going to happen? I give the same answer every time: I don't know, but this isn't good. It's not a lie, but their chances are ****. That's the truth.”
“I've been having them facetime or talk with family before intubation. It's their chance to say goodbye. No family can come into that unit. It's sealed off from the rest of the world. Every time I go in, I feel like I'm walking over graves.”
“It's not the death that's getting to me, it's the not knowing how to fix it. Not knowing how to pull someone back who shouldn't be there. These people who are relatively healthy are being ravaged by this virus. I don't understand it.”
“I just want to help and all I feel like is a grim reaper. I'm not afraid to say it, this virus scares the **** out of me. If you aren't scared, you haven't stood toe to toe with it.”
“Stay safe everyone...”
.

I hear so many stories like this, I've read so many whistle blower doctors and nurses say the cases and deaths are being under reported from their hospitalized, some say maybe reported will catch up, but some say multiple deaths occured month ago still shows no cases in their county. Also many stressed they have people in 20s and 30s on ventilation.
New guidance has them not testing the deaths, to confirm they have the virus, not testing hospitalized cases in hard hit areas because won't change what they do. They wonder how this can happen when that Info is vital to making decisions, to tracking severity of outbreaks.
Facts and truth and facing it head on will do the most good in my opinion.

Let's make state numbers easily available and talked about on the news. Much if the population does not have easy access to the internet, our older population many have a hard time with technology. That information or lack of information effects the choices they make....

 

[SailBoat]

Some may think that there is a great divide between Laurasea and myself. I assure you that is far from the truth. At most we are a few degrees from each other in our beliefs. In fact, she is a secret mentor of mine as we all learned of this Monstrous Virus, where it came from, how it expanded, the trail of death and its jump to other Countries. The shared heartache of the ever mounting deaths. She has lead the way.

Doom and Gloom has never defined Laurasea, if anything, it is her deep and devoted love for those around her, including her fellow Bird Lovers, those are her true hallmarks.

The genetic tracers of this Virus, as Lauasea found and reported, is in the SAR's family. A family of deadly Viruses that have fear provoking histories with their destructive effect on the Human body and methods of transmittal. A Virus that until recently, has been extremely difficult to define, anticipate, and confront. A Virus that has forted Human effort in the past and historically take years to be where we are today. Our abilities today far out measure those of years past, but even with the tools we have today, this family of
Virus has a way of confounding our best efforts. It Is Why, No One Is Willing To Define, With Clarity, What The Future May Bring.

I'm a hopeless optimist and a fond believer in the power of numbers; For me, as the numbers continue to build, I see a variation of a few degrees and as a result I am willing to forge a slightly different future.

I cannot stress enough that my 'belief' is founded on the developing belief that this Monster is Seasonally Effected: That a fair percentage of SAR's family Viruses have moved to cooler climates when its current high activity area becomes warmer. It is just as important to remember that the other part of the family just kept killing!!!


NOTE: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. I cannot find any current public writings or interviews from her since February. Nor can I find any indications that she is not still heading that group and likely activity working to lead that group and its activities. In todays environment and the great interest in shunting any success of the current administration. I do not see that if she wanted to make any statement that she would be restrained from doing so...

WARNING: There is a HUGE amount of Fake News in the National News Media regarding this subject. The number of incorrectly and out and out lies regarding what is happening is heartbreaking! That said, just yesterday we saw pictures of medical staff wearing trash bags. Total out and out lie...

 

[SailBoat]

How are you medical staff doing, im hearing stories that the UKs are getting hit bad... I

I'll give you an example, from a friend who is a family practice physician in Dallas TX. The following from his daily FB posts, a quoted story from an ICU MD. Rattled me to the core. (posted directly and allowed the forum to censor)

“I'm drenched in sweat from wearing a Tyvek suit and being in our COVID-19 negative pressure ICU for hours doing procedures. I've intubated 3 COVID patients tonight. I have another who is going to die tonight. I have another moving to the unit that I will have to intubate.”
“Every patient asks me the same question: what's going to happen? I give the same answer every time: I don't know, but this isn't good. It's not a lie, but their chances are ****. That's the truth.”
“I've been having them facetime or talk with family before intubation. It's their chance to say goodbye. No family can come into that unit. It's sealed off from the rest of the world. Every time I go in, I feel like I'm walking over graves.”
“It's not the death that's getting to me, it's the not knowing how to fix it. Not knowing how to pull someone back who shouldn't be there. These people who are relatively healthy are being ravaged by this virus. I don't understand it.”
“I just want to help and all I feel like is a grim reaper. I'm not afraid to say it, this virus scares the **** out of me. If you aren't scared, you haven't stood toe to toe with it.”
“Stay safe everyone...”
.

I hear so many stories like this, I've read so many whistle blower doctors and nurses say the cases and deaths are being under reported from their hospitalized, some say maybe reported will catch up, but some say multiple deaths occured month ago still shows no cases in their county. Also many stressed they have people in 20s and 30s on ventilation.
New guidance has them not testing the deaths, to confirm they have the virus, not testing hospitalized cases in hard hit areas because won't change what they do. They wonder how this can happen when that Info is vital to making decisions, to tracking severity of outbreaks.
Facts and truth and facing it head on will do the most good in my opinion.

Let's make state numbers easily available and talked about on the news. Much if the population does not have easy access to the internet, our older population many have a hard time with technology. That information or lack of information effects the choices they make....

We need to be very careful of our source today as ever since the National News Media has found this topic, the number of Fake and out and out Lies has increased at confounding levels. What one sees and hears at the daily briefings are not what one reads or hears from the National Media.

Why would any group hide the number of deaths? After all, the extent of or growth of a Hot Spot would be counter to the goals of a State. Getting more support!!! i.e. MONEY.

In addition, modeling is founded on far more than what is happening in a single location! Dirty numbers are a common problem and it is why those numbers are compared to like occurs else wear. Yesterday's briefing called out the worst cast numbers originally used to project the effect and spread of this Virus and what is happening around this World has caused the walking away from those models too much smaller numbers.

It is very important NOT to have the national news media as all but a small part of your sourcing. Look for original sources, i.e. reading and listening to the individual providing the information and not a commentator that is adding their opinion.

 

[Laurasea]

Sailboat,
I have some freinds in the hospitals, I'm hearing much the same from them.

Note, the new guidance on testing was announced on news breif. Stated as a way to save personal protective gear in new York. Was clearly stated in COVID 19 update with President by the woman doc with scarf, said if it won't change how you are already treating them, not to test. I watched this myself , so it is not fake news.
So when hospitalized staff from New York who has gotten this guidance says they are not testing people who have died , who they think had the virus,in order to save protective equity and supplies, I lean towards believe I them.

And thank you for your championing, it's perfectly fine to have different options, while sharing the same wider perspective. That's what makes America great! Freedom of speech!

Yes Dr. Meesioner is still working on our behalf. But she received quite a bit of political backlash , for her heroic early warning. Went from standing next to our president, to not being seen publicly.
CDC is paid for by us, is inpla e for this kind of health pandemics. I want to hear from the directly, in public news breif. They have a long history of helping the world, they exist for this purpose. I know their work continue behind the scenes, but I want to hear from them, from their experience, and experts.

 

[Flboy]

I also have family that is front line! I spent yesterday with my daughter. She is in the isolation ward! She is given one mask a day and must wash it between rooms! She was wearing a face shield, but they are used! She is now wearing goggles! They are still 14 days waiting on many tests and the majority are not being tested! Those who test positive, or probable positive, but are mild, are sent home! Tampa General, where my son-in-law works, now has several infected staff!

 

[Laurasea]

Also Good Morning America anchor said wife is ER doc, has many freind around county who are ER doc, and he said on show that all are claiming under reporting.

Plus Jacksonville a city of 2 million and serves the greater area had the only drive thru testing site that will test people under 65 with fever and symptoms. They put a daily cap of 250 tests! There are huge lines everyday trying to get tested who have a fever ( they check right there) who are not getting tested. Clearly tho we work to catch up on testing we are not meeting the sick people that need tests. Or on the other side , is it to squash numbers hmmm....

Florida not releasing elderly care numbers sighting privacy laws! Nassau county says six cases, yet this isn't the true numbers . Duval county has so reported a problem with this....
Doug Adkins, owner of two assisted-living facilities in Nassau County, told The News Service of Florida that the number of long-term care providers with COVID-19 positive residents now is closer to 35. And he predicted the number will go even higher if the state doesn’t require testing of all long-term care residents and staff members.

 

[Laurasea]

Florida taking great steps! All the
Vacation rentals closed! If you are in a rental you have to leave by end of the week. More arrivals from hit spots will have to check in with health department, and self quarantine for 2 weeks. Interstate travelers also have to comply.

Working on testing increase.

Our numbers are going up, like many other places.
Drive thru testing started a week ago, those results to be reslesded soon, told us to prepare for a big increase in cases.....

4 neighbors have cough and fever, I also have fever again...;( I last left the house a week ago, but , but did breifly visit neighbor who is now sick as they shared wifi with me... Fingers crossed for all if us, a d all if you as well....
Stressful times to have a fever