COVID-19 Virus

[Laurasea]

Covid-19 can inflame the heart of some kids
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents....even-mild-covid-19-can-develop-heart-problems

Children now make up 1 in 11 postive new cases
" Change in Child COVID-19 Cases*
111,946 new child COVID-19 cases were reported the past week from 11/5-11/12 (927,518 to 1,039,464)
Over two weeks, 10/29-11/12, there was a 22% increase in child COVID-19 cases (185,829 new cases (853,635 to 1,039,464)) "
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...positive-for-coronavirus-in-the-united-states

" While rare, doctors in Utah have seen children with Covid suffer blood clots and strokes. "
https://www.fox13now.com/news/coron...ee-rise-in-infants-and-children-with-covid-19

Military permintly wont except those who haven had Covid-19
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article242565406.html

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

After having open heart surgery almost twenty-five years ago ( double bypass...bad tickers run in the family on my dad's side) and having FOUR heart attacks in all ( My cardiologist says my heart is only working 30% of what it should ) My son is getting married ( his first time) to a wonderful girl :04ecember 5th. He is almost thirty four and Stephanie is thirty.
CT is digressing with this pandemic. 6% positivity rate yesterday,hospital over 500,almost 1700 testing positive and twenty four more deaths :15:
I am a prime subject to catch this disease..if I do I will die and thats a cold hard fact. I don't even know if I can/will/want to be there and James enjoys one of the most important day of his life. Thanksgiving David and I usually go to his son Joe's place..it's not gonna happen this year.
Jim

 

[Laurasea]

I'm feeling blue about the pandemic.....and trying to decide if i eat with my parents only 3 miles away

I ran to the feed store in the next town , I hit it when all the ranchers were there. Not a mask in sight...went inside employees and customers no masks....while I waited in line the customer in front of me shared that two of his family just got out the hospital after weeks, then the owner shared that two of her family just died of the virus ....and yet neither had a mask on!

I had a mask on, I cane home and sprayed shoes with lysol and took a shower...but then I'm stressing because I was just around 20 people with no masks...and does that mean I shouldn't go to my family in 5 days....Florida like most places us exploding with cases

 

[noodles123]

I'm feeling blue about the pandemic.....and trying to decide if i eat with my parents only 3 miles away

I ran to the feed store in the next town , I hit it when all the ranchers were there. Not a mask in sight...went inside employees and customers no masks....while I waited in line the customer in front of me shared that two of his family just got out the hospital after weeks, then the owner shared that two of her family just died of the virus ....and yet neither had a mask on!

I had a mask on, I cane home and sprayed shoes with lysol and took a shower...but then I'm stressing because I was just around 20 people with no masks...and does that mean I shouldn't go to my family in 5 days....Florida like most places us exploding with cases

I'm not..too many people are...but it sucks!

 

[Scott]

Our county has steep uptick in cases and hospitalizations, but literally everywhere I go the peeps are 100% compliant.

 

[GaleriaGila]

Hang in there, everybody. Our friends/family/fids need us.
The Rb and I need ya!

 

[noodles123]

It's a lot of the private gatherings that are spreading it in my state. The health director said it was being fueled by "small neighborhood gatherings and game nights" (or something like that).

It's good that people are complying in public, but I know some very conscientious people who still feel like having a dinner with a friend at a table (masks off to eat) is safe, when it really isn't because no one ever knows everyone else's contacts. I could think I am doing everything by the book and my dinner friend could feel the same, but if dinner friend has a boyfriend who met up with his friends 2 nights prior, and those friends had previously met up with 4 other friends, then the indirect exposures and community spread grows without a clear source/point of origin...If someone has a job or socializes at all, hanging out with them basically exposes both people to the other person's contacts. What is that thing about degrees of separation and celebrity affiliation? I feel like Covid is very similar, only it's contagious.

CDC only looks at direct exposures-- not the indirect ones (schools are using the CDC models (in theory) to respond to cases and quarantine. So, let's say I go and kiss "Billy" who was unknowingly infected by "Bob". If Bob infected Billy, then Billy could have infected me, and I could be running around infecting close friends, family and co-workers...UNFORTUNATLY, If Bob doesn't get tested, no one in this theoretical chain of events will be notified of close contact (Not Billy, not me, not any of his co-workers) UNLESS Bob gets tested. Now, if "Bob" does get tested and is positive, then only "Billy" would be notified by the Health Dept (if he answers his phone and if Bob is honest about his contact with Billy, despite the fact that I kissed "Billy" after his exposure to a confirmed case). Even if "Billy" tells me that he had close contact with a confirmed case, I would still be allowed to go to work etc etc (and could be punished for staying home to quarantine, in theory) because my contact with Billy would have been indirect, and therefore undocumented...and Billy is not obligated to tell me anything unless he tests positive at some point. In this theoretical situation, I would only be notified if Bob and then Billy tested positive (and only if Billy remembers to mention our interaction when contacted---and again, only if he gets tested, which is not likely if he is asymptomatic). So, basically, for a potentially contagious person to be notified, it could require a large number of indirect contacts to GET TESTED (not just wait out their symptoms) and then follow-up with contact tracers (which is happening less than 50% of time time in many places) in order for contagious contacts to actually hear anything...scary!

SO many people with mild symptoms don't waste time getting a test if a family member already has COVID (because they assume they are positive and have to quarantine either way). The problem with this mindset is that it does not protect the untested person's classmates, teachers, co-workers etc...No tracing or quarantining of contacts occurs without a positive test....Furthermore, people keep getting confused about negative test results prior to the 14-day window....As though a negative test negates the need to quarantine after a confirmed exposure (it does not).

Bottom line--- if you were exposed and are quarantining without symptoms, then you have to continue quarantining regardless of your test result, BUT you should consider getting tested about 5-7 days after the exposure in case you have been unknowingly infecting people who also would need to be notified. A negative test result doesn't mean you don't have it or that you get to leave your house (because you can be contagious but not test positive until the 14th day) BUT a positive test result means that people will be contacted and given some protection at work etc.

It doesn't help that many doctors and most test sites discouraging testing children and asymptomatic people (due to test shortages)....and then we have the states that don't care at all and will keep bouncing national totals upwards (as this virus knows no borders).

 

[Inger]

Reminds me of high school health class. “When you have sex with your partner, you’re also having sex with all of their previous partners” and so on.


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[Jen5200]

I’m grateful that my in laws have finally canceled Thanksgiving. Not that I don’t want to see them - but 4 households getting together feels like a bad idea right now. Both of my sisters-in-law also raised concerns, along with mine - so my MIL has finally decided to cancel. Being a lovely person, she is dropping off dinner for each of our households and we’ll wish each other a distant happy thanksgiving. I’m sad but glad, I would be devastated if anyone in the family got sick because “the rules didn’t apply to us”.

I’ll help out at the parrot rescue on Thursday (instead of my usual day) since she typically is short of help on holidays.

 

[Laurasea]

Dire times.
Message from coronavirus task force
" If state and local policies do not reflect the seriousness of the current situation, all public health officials must alert the state population directly," the reports say.
The reports offered this advice to public health officials: "It must be made clear that if you are over 65 or have significant health conditions, you should not enter any indoor public spaces where anyone is unmasked due to the immediate risk to your health; you should have groceries and medications delivered."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-states-report/index.html

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Here in CT there are over 1500 now hospitalized..in June there were only 52. Positivity rate fluctuate from 4.8 to over 6. Over 2000 tested positive the other day and 42 deaths.
I am a "high risk" being almost 65 and a failing heart. My son is getting married Saturday,the service is being held outside at the church. The weatherman says it'll be cold/cool ( in the 40's) and raining. Reception is at a "hall" where there will be two seperate rooms with social distancing. He expects about 50 guests.
I don't know what to do. Friday night it's rehersal time.



Jim

 

[Scott]

Dire times.
Message from coronavirus task force
" If state and local policies do not reflect the seriousness of the current situation, all public health officials must alert the state population directly," the reports say.
The reports offered this advice to public health officials: "It must be made clear that if you are over 65 or have significant health conditions, you should not enter any indoor public spaces where anyone is unmasked due to the immediate risk to your health; you should have groceries and medications delivered."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-states-report/index.html

Absolutely true! Given the patchwork of guidance and rulings, it is almost "everyone for themselves." Take the maximum level of precautions you are comfortable with and literally hope for the best. Short of literal quarantining for several months, the common strategy of mask wearing, hand washing, and social distancing seems best.

 

[Scott]

Here in CT there are over 1500 now hospitalized..in June there were only 52. Positivity rate fluctuate from 4.8 to over 6. Over 2000 tested positive the other day and 42 deaths.
I am a "high risk" being almost 65 and a failing heart. My son is getting married Saturday,the service is being held outside at the church. The weatherman says it'll be cold/cool ( in the 40's) and raining. Reception is at a "hall" where there will be two seperate rooms with social distancing. He expects about 50 guests.
I don't know what to do. Friday night it's rehersal time.



Jim

Such an impossibly difficult decision, Jim. You do not want to get Covid, so use best judgment whether comfortable with the indoor events. Seems an outdoor service with cool weather and a bit of rain reasonably safe. I don't think anyone would fault you for avoiding the indoor reception, though you'll know best seeing the actual rooms and distancing. Good luck my friend, I don't envy your choice!

 

[Laurasea]

Here in CT there are over 1500 now hospitalized..in June there were only 52. Positivity rate fluctuate from 4.8 to over 6. Over 2000 tested positive the other day and 42 deaths.
I am a "high risk" being almost 65 and a failing heart. My son is getting married Saturday,the service is being held outside at the church. The weatherman says it'll be cold/cool ( in the 40's) and raining. Reception is at a "hall" where there will be two seperate rooms with social distancing. He expects about 50 guests.
I don't know what to do. Friday night it's rehersal time.



Jim

Such an impossibly difficult decision, Jim. You do not want to get Covid, so use best judgment whether comfortable with the indoor events. Seems an outdoor service with cool weather and a bit of rain reasonably safe. I don't think anyone would fault you for avoiding the indoor reception, though you'll know best seeing the actual rooms and distancing. Good luck my friend, I don't envy your choice!

Congratulations on your sons upcoming wedding.
For me no way rehearsal diner...
I'd be there fir the wedding
Skip reception and host them for a dinner party after vaccine, and go over pictures and celebrate then .

Thats me tho. I'm high risk, and have first hand experience spending weeks in the hospital and trying to stay off a ventilator, how sore your body gets laying in a bed, how dehumanizing it is, and I want no part of that

 

[Laurasea]

Florida has disappointed me and done some pretty shady things. I'll find an articles i have on that

 

[Scott]

As the U.S. and other nations succumb to a frightful wave of Coronavirus, let us please focus on apolitical and factual discussions. It is helpful to post personal stories, triumphs of vaccine and therapeutics technology, avoiding potentially inflammatory links and prose. Thanks to all who participate, together we will emerge from this blighted period.

 

[Laurasea]

This has good visualization tools.
Part of the problem when pandemic numbers soar is how the human mind works, less death we are more sympathetic, huge numbers tend to be unreal to us.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-7464500a-6368-4029-aa41-ab94e0ee09fb

 

[Laurasea]

Like this, I believe in truth and transparency

Well, Florida has been called out enough times by national and world agencies on its fudging of positivity rates ( among many other discrepancies) and will now follow standards... on reporting positivity rates.
Previously reported below leading to change
" Florida’s official COVID-19 “positivity rate” is at odds with rates reported by the renowned tracker run by Johns Hopkins University. The official state rate is around 5 percent; Johns Hopkins says it’s closer to 12. "

Also Florida doesn't meet WHO reporting standards...even with now following reporting Standars on positivity rates...

But Florida is now withhold death reports, sometimes for as long as two months, according to our governor its to double check. According to CDC its obscuring tge true toll of tge virus.... and prevents timely response

" Florida Surgeon General implemented additional review process for fatalities attributed to COVID-19 to ensure data integrity" that's the official word.
How it translates tho is that Florida daily deaths now appear much lower. And now state official can decide when to trickle out the death numbers, spreading them out .

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...ohe-story.html

" Florida has obscured the true extent of its pandemic by using a misleading measure of positive cases to justify reopening schools and businesses, state data indicates. While the state has publicized that its positivity rate has regularly fallen below 5%, other health organizations are publishing data that shows the rate may be dramatically higher.

Testing has been declining statewide since the summer when there were about 54,400 daily average tests in July and about 32,000 in August. September’s daily average fell to 22,800, and in October it has been about 28,200. "

Discrepancies if still active links
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

So with CDC, WHO, Lancet Journal, and John Hopkins all pointing out " discrepancies " and calling for more transparency....
I just pay attention cuz it's my state, but I'm sure otger areas have some issues too.
With 5 months till vaccine is in our arms , I just want truth, and lives saved

 

[theconductor]

Like this, I believe in truth and transparency

Well, Florida has been called out enough times by national and world agencies on its fudging of positivity rates ( among many other discrepancies) and will now follow standards... on reporting positivity rates.
Previously reported below leading to change
" Florida’s official COVID-19 “positivity rate” is at odds with rates reported by the renowned tracker run by Johns Hopkins University. The official state rate is around 5 percent; Johns Hopkins says it’s closer to 12. "

Also Florida doesn't meet WHO reporting standards...even with now following reporting Standars on positivity rates...

But Florida is now withhold death reports, sometimes for as long as two months, according to our governor its to double check. According to CDC its obscuring tge true toll of tge virus.... and prevents timely response

" Florida Surgeon General implemented additional review process for fatalities attributed to COVID-19 to ensure data integrity" that's the official word.
How it translates tho is that Florida daily deaths now appear much lower. And now state official can decide when to trickle out the death numbers, spreading them out .

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...ohe-story.html

" Florida has obscured the true extent of its pandemic by using a misleading measure of positive cases to justify reopening schools and businesses, state data indicates. While the state has publicized that its positivity rate has regularly fallen below 5%, other health organizations are publishing data that shows the rate may be dramatically higher.

Testing has been declining statewide since the summer when there were about 54,400 daily average tests in July and about 32,000 in August. September’s daily average fell to 22,800, and in October it has been about 28,200. "

Discrepancies if still active links
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

So with CDC, WHO, Lancet Journal, and John Hopkins all pointing out " discrepancies " and calling for more transparency....
I just pay attention cuz it's my state, but I'm sure otger areas have some issues too.
With 5 months till vaccine is in our arms , I just want truth, and lives saved

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Suffice it to say, stay safe down there.

 

[Scott]

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